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Post by rgeorge on Mar 31, 2022 8:11:21 GMT -8
If a recruit was really vetted it seems that these issues would have been found out before he signed on the dotted line. Davis is suddenly the culprit versus him being another example of WT's "stellar" recruiting. I'm betting the "Covid recruiting" practices were the cause. Every other program was under the same stipulations, but poor WT couldn't sit face to face to weed out the bad apples. Cuz, WT had tons of options to choose from. A player like Davis would have never made it to campus under normal circumstances. Jeez, WT is basically just a victim of circumstances. EVERY year! Lol |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 31, 2022 9:02:41 GMT -8
I also heard that DD hates dogs!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 31, 2022 9:12:19 GMT -8
I read somewhere that Tinkle said none of the transfer guys they brought in this year were recruited face-to-face. They weren't able to visit OSU or do in-home visits due to COVID. He said that resulted in them having to make some assumptions about attitude and character that normally would have been vetted much more easily in a sit down meeting. Although it still seems you would talk to their prior coaches to get a feel for how much of a team first guy he is before bringing him in. Davis is a little different in coming from a JC where he was an All-American so you would expect a lot of confidence and some ego with that type of guy. JC players include some colorful personalities and backgrounds, which is why some of them are at a JC to begin with. I wonder how much contact coaches are allowed to make with former coaches by their prospective schools? These days a lot of corporations and businesses, if contacted by prospective employers, will only say something along the lines of - that person worked here from X date to X date, nothing more, no matter how good of graces the employee was with the company. Blackballing lawsuits are a thing in the professional world, I'm not sure if at the amateur player level. I remember we had a former running back who accused Pettibone of talking bad of him to scouts or NFL reps, don't know if it ever got to the lawsuit stage. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 31, 2022 10:34:08 GMT -8
If a recruit was really vetted it seems that these issues would have been found out before he signed on the dotted line. And yet, UW is interested. Explain, please. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 31, 2022 10:43:21 GMT -8
If a recruit was really vetted it seems that these issues would have been found out before he signed on the dotted line. And yet, UW is interested. Explain, please. "interested" doe not equal "signed. Maybe they are actually investigating how much of the type of info posted here is accurate. And, if Davis is the DB he is purported to be, maybe he embellishes on who/how many schools are interested?? Typically there is nothing official from schools unless a signing occurs. Interest and offers are typically the word of the players. Some have not been completely truthful in that area! |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 31, 2022 10:45:00 GMT -8
Maybe the truth will come out...not covering for Wayne. Addition by subtraction losing Davis. Has nothing to do with his play on the court.
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Post by irimi on Mar 31, 2022 10:46:21 GMT -8
Where does a player like that belong on a team? He’s just gone through the worst season of his life and his takeaway is “ME, ME, ME.” But I’m sure his hollow, egotistical cries match your own. Way to go.. change the entire "take". From... Davis did and will again "burn down" a program. To he is an hollow and egotistical. Which is it? My quote condemns the initial take. Which of course is ridiculous. Maybe why you changed course? Davis is who he is. He acted as he was allowed to act. And, OSU MBB program was already burning. Davis wasn't at OSU when the lack of recruiting and discipline began. He was no where to be found when the rampant rumors of favoritism aired. Again, nice try in the attempt to reshuffle the deck. Maybe the recognition of such personality traits comes from self study? No. No, sleight of hand involved. Based upon the first two posts of this thread, he is a toxic player. A toxic player cannot help a team thrive without either being coddled or disciplined. If you go against his ego, you have to not only have enough ammunition to back it up, but you also have to have his respect so that he cares. Obviously, OSU wasn’t a fit for him and the unique situation of the year allowed the player to romp over the coaches. That’s never good. What will happen if he’s on UW’s team? What do you think? Do you think anything in the above statements shows a kid who will listen to his coaches? I think he thinks he has all the answers. I think he borders on being uncoachable. Another poster remarked in a different thread about how bad apples on a team can spoil others around them and create more distraction and negativity. I tend to agree with that idea. Don’t you think so? |
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Post by irimi on Mar 31, 2022 10:50:46 GMT -8
And yet, UW is interested. Explain, please. "interested" doe not equal "signed. Maybe they are actually investigating how much of the type of info posted here is accurate. And, if Davis is the DB he is purported to be, maybe he embellishes on who/how many schools are interested?? Typically there is nothing official from schools unless a signing occurs. Interest and offers are typically the word of the players. Some have not been completely truthful in that area! So you’re thinking that UW maybe isn’t serious? OK, I’ll buy that. I was just thinking that coaches want to win and maybe they think they have the key for turning the boy around. Certainly, if the Beavers had had a more healthy lineup, punishments might have had an effect on Davis and maybe he could have turned around. Of course, baseba1111 seems to think the kid’s a winner. He’ll take him on his fantasy team. So there must be others, right? |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 31, 2022 11:02:48 GMT -8
Way to go.. change the entire "take". From... Davis did and will again "burn down" a program. To he is an hollow and egotistical. Which is it? My quote condemns the initial take. Which of course is ridiculous. Maybe why you changed course? Davis is who he is. He acted as he was allowed to act. And, OSU MBB program was already burning. Davis wasn't at OSU when the lack of recruiting and discipline began. He was no where to be found when the rampant rumors of favoritism aired. Again, nice try in the attempt to reshuffle the deck. Maybe the recognition of such personality traits comes from self study? No. No, sleight of hand involved. Based upon the first two posts of this thread, he is a toxic player. A toxic player cannot help a team thrive without either being coddled or disciplined. If you go against his ego, you have to not only have enough ammunition to back it up, but you also have to have his respect so that he cares. Obviously, OSU wasn’t a fit for him and the unique situation of the year allowed the player to romp over the coaches. That’s never good. What will happen if he’s on UW’s team? What do you think? Do you think anything in the above statements shows a kid who will listen to his coaches? I think he thinks he has all the answers. I think he borders on being uncoachable. Another poster remarked in a different thread about how bad apples on a team can spoil others around them and create more distraction and negativity. I tend to agree with that idea. Don’t you think so? Your right as there was no "sleight of hand" or a very bad attempt. I did not quote the other two posts. I quoted your specifically that stated DD burned the program to the ground... so to speak. No single player can do that unless allowed. There was plenty of off season and early season to eliminate the problem while there was still a full roster. If the cancer is cut out early maybe the other players later, "injured", get their time and see a more harmonious team and actually play. The tail is not suppose to wag the dog. Unfortunately this isn't the first episode of WT having discipline issues. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 31, 2022 11:24:53 GMT -8
Correction- WT didn't have discipline issues, Sarkisian at USC had discipline issues.
Tinkle does have issues with disciplining kids with discipline issues. It's probably an issue because he's a "nice guy" and wants things to work out peacefully. I can't say what kind of temperament would work for the type of kid DD has been rumored to be.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 31, 2022 11:26:59 GMT -8
Many coaches are confident enough in their own abilities and culture that even if a player had "issues" in the past that once they get them in their system that they can get the best out of them. Sometimes they are right, other times not so much.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 31, 2022 11:42:23 GMT -8
No. No, sleight of hand involved. Based upon the first two posts of this thread, he is a toxic player. A toxic player cannot help a team thrive without either being coddled or disciplined. If you go against his ego, you have to not only have enough ammunition to back it up, but you also have to have his respect so that he cares. Obviously, OSU wasn’t a fit for him and the unique situation of the year allowed the player to romp over the coaches. That’s never good. What will happen if he’s on UW’s team? What do you think? Do you think anything in the above statements shows a kid who will listen to his coaches? I think he thinks he has all the answers. I think he borders on being uncoachable. Another poster remarked in a different thread about how bad apples on a team can spoil others around them and create more distraction and negativity. I tend to agree with that idea. Don’t you think so? Your right as there was no "sleight of hand" or a very bad attempt. I did not quote the other two posts. I quoted your specifically that stated DD burned the program to the ground... so to speak. No single player can do that unless allowed. There was plenty of off season and early season to eliminate the problem while there was still a full roster. If the cancer is cut out early maybe the other players later, "injured", get their time and see a more harmonious team and actually play. The tail is not suppose to wag the dog. Unfortunately this isn't the first episode of WT having discipline issues. Honestly curious, because I don't remember previous discipline issues. Which issues are you referring to? |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 31, 2022 12:04:05 GMT -8
Your right as there was no "sleight of hand" or a very bad attempt. I did not quote the other two posts. I quoted your specifically that stated DD burned the program to the ground... so to speak. No single player can do that unless allowed. There was plenty of off season and early season to eliminate the problem while there was still a full roster. If the cancer is cut out early maybe the other players later, "injured", get their time and see a more harmonious team and actually play. The tail is not suppose to wag the dog. Unfortunately this isn't the first episode of WT having discipline issues. Honestly curious, because I don't remember previous discipline issues. Which issues are you referring to? As is this issue rumor, there have been ongoing rumors of academic and behavior problems. Some the so called "normal" portal activity from OSU stemmed from supposed lack of disciplinary actions being taken. Or "favoritism" being shown. Again no one actually knows. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 31, 2022 12:11:33 GMT -8
Any time 60% of the starters are coaches' sons there's going to be claims of favoritism, even if the are three of the highest rated reruits the school has ever had.
I'd bet just about every team has some players that think they're on the losing end of some sort of favoritism.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 31, 2022 12:15:24 GMT -8
This is kind of a silly discussion. Was he a problem? Very possibly — but I have no idea But if he was, he wasn’t the only problem with the team. I enjoyed watching him play (as much as one could when watching this year’s team. Now he’s left. Good luck to him.
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