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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 30, 2022 7:33:19 GMT -8
It's interesting of some comments to sasha leaving a year ago and Greta leaving now. Haven't seen any negative comments regarding Greta but wasn't the case with Sasha. Maybe some posters weren't used to the portal a year ago. Don't know. Its just interesting the tone of the comments. I think its their impact/stats more than anything. I think Talia leaving would still result in negative comments/more fans being upset. To an extent people understood Sasha’s homesickness/situation, but it was hard to let go of someone as talented as she was.
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Post by hoopheritic on Mar 30, 2022 8:03:41 GMT -8
Does anyone think the distance from home has anything to do with this? I think this is an underestimated aspect and may be part of her decision. We have to remember that the 2021 class nationwide not only has been through a traumatic experience in this pandemic as they wrapped up high school, but they also had a broken recruiting experience. They didn't get official visits. They didn't get a real junior year AAU experience which is the key time for elite players to evaluate their offers and make a final decision. They committed to rosters that ended up being different once they showed up with the extra year that was given. Many are playing on bigger rosters than normal (not the case at OSU). They are thrown into a new environment with a broken social experience (Masks). Add that all up and you have the recipe for a more stressful freshman year than normal.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2022 8:13:47 GMT -8
It's interesting of some comments to sasha leaving a year ago and Greta leaving now. Haven't seen any negative comments regarding Greta but wasn't the case with Sasha. Maybe some posters weren't used to the portal a year ago. Don't know. Its just interesting the tone of the comments. Sasha had a much more productive freshman season than Greta. So that probably accounts for most of it. I'm glad it's working out for Sasha and wish nothing but the best for her. Sounds like her heart was still in her home town, and not sure why folks were (some apparently still are) so stunned.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 30, 2022 8:14:05 GMT -8
Greta's minutes in her last five games were 30, 22, 9, 8, 5. Was this Ruecks way of letting her know he was giving up on her, or did she tell him she was moving on and he decided to give playing time to others?
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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 8:25:55 GMT -8
Greta's minutes in her last five games were 30, 22, 9, 8, 5. Was this Ruecks way of letting her know he was giving up on her, or did she tell him she was moving on and he decided to give playing time to others? Wow, that's a staggering set of numbers and VERY interesting question. I wish her well.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2022 8:29:35 GMT -8
Greta's minutes in her last five games were 30, 22, 9, 8, 5. Was this Ruecks way of letting her know he was giving up on her, or did she tell him she was moving on and he decided to give playing time to others? Wow, that's a staggering set of numbers and VERY interesting question. I wish her well. Well if GK did inform SR of her intentions prior to the NIT, I wouldn't be shocked that it impacted her minutes.
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Post by grayman on Mar 30, 2022 8:33:34 GMT -8
I don't know how much Greta will benefit from going to a different program. It seems like the high rating and McDonald's AA status was a major misfire by those who put together that info. When a player hits those ratings, it is a projection that a player is not only capable of stepping right in for a strong program, but should have a significant impact at the minimum, if not a ready-made star. If Greta was really at that level coming in, she would have found a way to make at least a reasonable impact. She did not and was most likely vastly overrated...it happens. Some mentioned Sasha...the big difference is we all knew Sasha was a big loss. I don't think you can look at Greta currently and say the same. Hopefully she finds a landing place that works out.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 30, 2022 10:15:53 GMT -8
Greta is our own local example, but there are hundreds of them throughout college basketball - Didn't I see that there were about 30 from the PAC 12 thus far? I'll guess that there are about 170 players on conference teams, including about 35 who run out of eligibility after this season. So there would be 135 who could return next year and 30 of those who will not. That's 22% bailing out!
I also don't know the average enrollment at a Power 5 university, but let's say 30,000. If you woke up one morning and read that 6,600 at your school had decided to transfer because they should have a 3.8 GPA but only received a 2.8 this year, you might think that there is something seriously amiss with this generation of students, might you not? And if other universities wooed them with visions of every grade being a B+ or better, you might think there was a serious problem in the world of academia in general.
That may be a poor analogy in some people's eyes, but it's mine. The NCAA is doing a disservice to everybody, including especially its student athletes, with the transfer portal, and failing to teach a valuable life lesson. If you choose to join the army, you can't decide to transfer after 6 months from a base in Texas to one in Hawaii. There is not a period every March and April where spouses can enter a portal to replace the one they took vows with. Fraternities don't have a June rush period during which brothers simply leave House A to join House B.
And so on.
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Post by skyrider on Mar 30, 2022 11:46:51 GMT -8
If Greta leaves, it would perhaps make it less likely that AJ would - silver lining in the cloud. I must confess that this whole portal thing is beginning to erode my interest in women's hoops overall. I like having our girls for 4 years and being enthusiastic about how so and so is going to contribute to next year's team - the type of stuff we do regularly on this board. And I like Oregon having all their players for 4 years, and all the other teams as well. The matchups against the Ducks when Ionescu, Hebard, and Sabally were there? Great, great stuff! Something we all looked forward to every year. Now, for the last several weeks, we've been wondering who might leave where, and now we're actually reporting on it. For the second consecutive year this coming November, the old adage, "you can't tell the players without a scorecard," is going to be a truism at arenas all around the country. So I'm starting to ask myself if I really want to be so deeply invested in this game going forward. I don't yet know the answer. Again, the portal will slow down. Players can now only transfer once without sitting out, so you will not be seeing players on their 4th school going forward. bvrbooster and Judge Smalls,
In regards to both your comments, I do find myself being less and less vested and interested in the team when players come and go at such a rapid pace.
One of the great things about past teams was watching the players develop and the team develop along with them. Where would Ruth Hamblin, Marie Gulich, and so many others have been if they bailed right away!
I don't know what the correct answer to this current transfer situation is, but what is happening now is clearly not the answer. Also it would appear that this will create even more imbalance with teams such as U-Conn, Stanford, South Carolina being able to pick and choose between many many portal applicants
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2022 11:55:00 GMT -8
Greta is our own local example, but there are hundreds of them throughout college basketball - Didn't I see that there were about 30 from the PAC 12 thus far? I'll guess that there are about 170 players on conference teams, including about 35 who run out of eligibility after this season. So there would be 135 who could return next year and 30 of those who will not. That's 22% bailing out! I also don't know the average enrollment at a Power 5 university, but let's say 30,000. If you woke up one morning and read that 6,600 at your school had decided to transfer because they should have a 3.8 GPA but only received a 2.8 this year, you might think that there is something seriously amiss with this generation of students, might you not? And if other universities wooed them with visions of every grade being a B+ or better, you might think there was a serious problem in the world of academia in general. That may be a poor analogy in some people's eyes, but it's mine. The NCAA is doing a disservice to everybody, including especially its student athletes, with the transfer portal, and failing to teach a valuable life lesson. If you choose to join the army, you can't decide to transfer after 6 months from a base in Texas to one in Hawaii. There is not a period every March and April where spouses can enter a portal to replace the one they took vows with. Fraternities don't have a June rush period during which brothers simply leave House A to join House B. And so on. LOL. I think your attempted analogy is silly. College students are already academically free to pull up stakes whenever they choose, for whatever reason, or for no reason at all. And to state the blindingly obvious, college ain’t the military-thank god.
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Post by skyrider on Mar 30, 2022 12:08:25 GMT -8
Werebeaver.
Philosophically I agree with the idea of the players being able to transfer whenever they wish. However, from a selfish standpoint, in regards to how much I enjoy the sport,the players, and the teams, I find my enjoyment of the product diminishing with the current state of affairs.
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Post by jegerklog on Mar 30, 2022 12:45:34 GMT -8
It was enjoyable to watch Ruth Hamblin, Marie Gulich, and so many others develop gradually into stars. No pressure on their freshman year.
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 30, 2022 12:51:43 GMT -8
College students are, indeed, free to ease on down the road as the mood strikes them - but 22% of them don't do that every year. If they did, alarm bells would be going off everywhere signaling that something is horribly broken. That was my point with that analogy. I'm sorry it eluded you.
The marriage and military analogies spoke to commitment - you make one, you live up to it. In my mind, the scholarship athlete has made a 4 year commitment to the university in return for the university's promise of a full ride. You can LOL over that until the cows come home as well.
As for colleges not being run the way the military is? That's certainly a good thing, but it is a much, much better thing that the military is not run the way the NCAA is.
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Post by algernon14 on Mar 30, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -8
Ugh, gut punch, I really liked Greta and wanted her to succeed at OSU, she had hints of a really good player and I feel just needed some reinforcement to use the gifts she had to excel here. Was hoping she would take the off season to improve her game and be the next Mik Pivec, oh well, we wish you the best of everything Greta, loved watching you play and good luck on your next adventure, Go Beavs.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 30, 2022 13:22:31 GMT -8
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