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Post by irimi on Mar 30, 2022 6:45:38 GMT -8
5th consecutive one-run extra inning game vs Nevada I could really go without a sixth. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 30, 2022 6:48:32 GMT -8
an 11-0 lead and a 10 run rule was too enticing not to experiment. Lesson learned. I hope. I hope MC figured out you can’t put in weak pitching AND take out your top hitters at the same time. Sure, the pitchers we rarely see need time and a 9 run lead was a great time to see what they could do, but keep our hitters in. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 30, 2022 7:18:11 GMT -8
an 11-0 lead and a 10 run rule was too enticing not to experiment. Lesson learned. I hope. I hope MC figured out you can’t put in weak pitching AND take out your top hitters at the same time. Sure, the pitchers we rarely see need time and a 9 run lead was a great time to see what they could do, but keep our hitters in. I don't know.. There was another thread about resting starters. I think if there's ever a time to give some guys a little rest it would be the middle of a Tuesday game with a 9 run lead. That's on the bullpen much more than MC in my opinion. At some point, guys will probably need a breather over the course of the season and other guys need to figure it out and step up. The 3 bench guys came up with 4 hits. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 30, 2022 7:45:16 GMT -8
I didn't get the details on the "shortage" of Pitchers available on the UNR staff. I heard just 6 - But they used 5 and had 2 more warming up in the bullpen. At any rate their 5 pitchers threw 224 pitches last night, all at least 30 pitches.
Should make for an interesting game today....I hope the Beaver Bats can feast a bit. UNR starter today has a .313 BAA
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Post by nabeav on Mar 30, 2022 8:20:01 GMT -8
Look, I know that this isn't intramurals and there's not an equal playing time provision at the D1 level - but how on earth are you ever going to know what you have in some of these guys if you never run them out there against other teams? Lattery had never gone more than 2.1 innings in a game before last night. He'd never thrown more than 48 pitches in a game, and that was his last outing. Before that, it was 34. He threw 53 pitches in 4 innings last night and exited with an 11-0 lead. As ochobeavo pointed out above, people just a couple days ago were discussing how much rest to give the starters during this series, and that you should expect some high scoring games as we use some of the less experienced pitchers and allow them to work through some rough spots. As was also mentioned before, the 13 runs we allowed didn't even crack the top five of Nevada's scoring outbursts this season. They put it on Grand Canyon 20-2. I'm also trying to imagine what kind of posts would've gone on this board had Melton tweaked his hammy tracking down a fly ball in the outfield when we are up 12-2, or if Bazzana had taken a fastball off the forearm late in the game. I can't handle the second guessing of the coaching staff every time something goes wrong. THERE were no posts saying "why's he pinch hitting for Melton and Bazzana?" until the bullpen melted down. Nobody thought it was a bad decision at the time. One guy did say that it seemed early to pull Lattery, but again he had already set a career high for pitches thrown, and from previous threads, it seems like we all were expecting a pitching by committee type of weekend anyways. Now I didn't turn on the game until it was already tightened back up, but did the Beavs have anyone warming up prior to B6 when we are up 12-2? Because rushing a guy to the hill in a midweek game with a with two on and one out in a game you lead 12-3 doesn't seem necessary. Then he gives up a couple of singles and you pull him out still up 12-5. Makes sense to me. The next guy goes HBP, HBP, BB, Sac Fly and you yank him. You're still up 4 with 2 outs in the inning and you go to the next guy up. Lawson gives up a HR....not sure if you put that on the coaching staff. They ran three different pitchers out there in the inning. Now, if we're going to nitpick every decision that doesn't work out, don't we also need to give the staff credit for putting together a squad that is 18-5 on the year and a consensus Top 10 team in the country? What are we doing here? Getting mad that the team almost fell below a .667 win percentage? Angry that we (almost) dropped a game nobody expected us to use our top arms in anyways? Nevada is averaging 8 runs a game. They play in a stadium at altitude. Also...WE WON. The running to the message boards to proclaim that our coaches suck, our players are terrible, that we know better what to do with the roster or in game decisions or how to discipline players......it's out of control. Take it down a notch fellas. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the fact that you got to watch a game involving your favorite baseball team on a Tuesday night on the internet.....for free. It certainly wasn't boring! |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 30, 2022 8:46:42 GMT -8
I didn't get the details on the "shortage" of Pitchers available on the UNR staff. I heard just 6 - But they used 5 and had 2 more warming up in the bullpen. At any rate their 5 pitchers threw 224 pitches last night, all at least 30 pitches. Should make for an interesting game today....I hope the Beaver Bats can feast a bit. UNR starter today has a .313 BAA I *thought* it was illness plus guys generally being unavailable after their weekend series. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 30, 2022 8:59:08 GMT -8
Look, I know that this isn't intramurals and there's not an equal playing time provision at the D1 level - but how on earth are you ever going to know what you have in some of these guys if you never run them out there against other teams? Lattery had never gone more than 2.1 innings in a game before last night. He'd never thrown more than 48 pitches in a game, and that was his last outing. Before that, it was 34. He threw 53 pitches in 4 innings last night and exited with an 11-0 lead. As ochobeavo pointed out above, people just a couple days ago were discussing how much rest to give the starters during this series, and that you should expect some high scoring games as we use some of the less experienced pitchers and allow them to work through some rough spots. As was also mentioned before, the 13 runs we allowed didn't even crack the top five of Nevada's scoring outbursts this season. They put it on Grand Canyon 20-2. I'm also trying to imagine what kind of posts would've gone on this board had Melton tweaked his hammy tracking down a fly ball in the outfield when we are up 12-2, or if Bazzana had taken a fastball off the forearm late in the game. I can't handle the second guessing of the coaching staff every time something goes wrong. THERE were no posts saying "why's he pinch hitting for Melton and Bazzana?" until the bullpen melted down. Nobody thought it was a bad decision at the time. One guy did say that it seemed early to pull Lattery, but again he had already set a career high for pitches thrown, and from previous threads, it seems like we all were expecting a pitching by committee type of weekend anyways. Now I didn't turn on the game until it was already tightened back up, but did the Beavs have anyone warming up prior to B6 when we are up 12-2? Because rushing a guy to the hill in a midweek game with a with two on and one out in a game you lead 12-3 doesn't seem necessary. Then he gives up a couple of singles and you pull him out still up 12-5. Makes sense to me. The next guy goes HBP, HBP, BB, Sac Fly and you yank him. You're still up 4 with 2 outs in the inning and you go to the next guy up. Lawson gives up a HR....not sure if you put that on the coaching staff. They ran three different pitchers out there in the inning. Now, if we're going to nitpick every decision that doesn't work out, don't we also need to give the staff credit for putting together a squad that is 18-5 on the year and a consensus Top 10 team in the country? What are we doing here? Getting mad that the team almost fell below a .667 win percentage? Angry that we (almost) dropped a game nobody expected us to use our top arms in anyways? Nevada is averaging 8 runs a game. They play in a stadium at altitude. Also...WE WON. The running to the message boards to proclaim that our coaches suck, our players are terrible, that we know better what to do with the roster or in game decisions or how to discipline players......it's out of control. Take it down a notch fellas. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the fact that you got to watch a game involving your favorite baseball team on a Tuesday night on the internet.....for free. It certainly wasn't boring! Stop talking sense, the coaches on the board know what they're doing. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 9:28:25 GMT -8
It's a tough job to coach. If I'm up 9-10 runs mid game and rolling,why in my mind is it a bad idea to look at some other kids who work hard in practice, in real game situations against a good team? Injuries happen,and how am I going to know if I can count on them late in the season in a clutch situation if they haven't proven they can play in non league games? It's about building depth. If we would have lost,it would have been a different story. I understand the decision to play others. Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 30, 2022 9:34:42 GMT -8
I hope MC figured out you can’t put in weak pitching AND take out your top hitters at the same time. Sure, the pitchers we rarely see need time and a 9 run lead was a great time to see what they could do, but keep our hitters in. I don't know.. There was another thread about resting starters. I think if there's ever a time to give some guys a little rest it would be the middle of a Tuesday game with a 9 run lead. That's on the bullpen much more than MC in my opinion. At some point, guys will probably need a breather over the course of the season and other guys need to figure it out and step up. The 3 bench guys came up with 4 hits. And, you haven't got much of a roster as a "elite" D1 team if you can't hand over 11-0, 12-2 leads to some of your bench/pen. OSU was not playing UT (either one!), it was a .500 UNR team also throwing their midweek guys. The pen was bad for the most part. The coaches were late and had a bad combo of relievers back to back to back during a 9 run inning. And, some regulars in the order had some terrible ABs late. Bottom line OSU should have a roster that is replete with enough talent to hold off a UNR team with 11 and 10 run leads. It may have ended with a W, but unless some vast improvements are made it does not bode well if any injuries pop up, or for regional play vs much better teams. The bench and pen will be needed eventually. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 9:43:15 GMT -8
Of course,11-12 runs should be enough in any game. The hitting didn't help much either after we got a big lead. We left the bases loaded twice. Momentum is a funny thing. When things go good or bad...strange things happen.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 30, 2022 10:03:42 GMT -8
And, some regulars in the order had some terrible ABs late. So....what's you're point here? That the players aren't good? That the coaches should've had someone else out there? That the coaches aren't teaching them how to have good at bats late in the game? Maybe we give the Nevada pitcher a little credit? He's got 23 Ks in 18.2IP on the season, a K/9 of 11 or so. That seems pretty good! Aside from a 5 spot he gave up in his second outing of the season, he has not given up more than 1 run in any other outing this year. He's got strikeout stuff. I was impressed with some of those inside fastballs he was throwing to RHBs. Used both sides of the plate well. I saw Mike Trout have a bad AB in spring training the other day.....a miracle that guy made it. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 30, 2022 10:07:31 GMT -8
And, some regulars in the order had some terrible ABs late. So....what's you're point here? That the players aren't good? That the coaches should've had someone else out there? That the coaches aren't teaching them how to have good at bats late in the game? Maybe we give the Nevada pitcher a little credit? He's got 23 Ks in 18.2IP on the season, a K/9 of 11 or so. That seems pretty good! Aside from a 5 spot he gave up in his second outing of the season, he has not given up more than 1 run in any other outing this year. He's got strikeout stuff. I was impressed with some of those inside fastballs he was throwing to RHBs. Used both sides of the plate well. I saw Mike Trout have a bad AB in spring training the other day.....a miracle that guy made it. LOL... that playing a couple bench players and the pen should not be such an issue with such leads. Pretty simple concept if you think you have an elite team. It take more than 8 + 3 weekend starters over the course of a 56+ game season. |
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 30, 2022 10:26:10 GMT -8
To paraphrase Mitch’s preseason interview about this season versus last season, the players needed to learn that every out counts and the players need to maintain intensity throughout each game. The players have done this, no doubt to me especially last night. I do think the coaches were the ones who dropped the intensity thing a bit last night.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 30, 2022 10:31:31 GMT -8
These are kids, and this is baseball. Today will be completely different.
The coaching staff is still learning who they can trust. Boisvert and Grewe aren't quite there. Lawson showed some sack by recovering....at first when he came back out after his balk, and falling all over the mound, I was skeptical, but he came thru. Maybe a turning point for him. He's got good stuff.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 30, 2022 12:18:52 GMT -8
Of course,11-12 runs should be enough in any game. The hitting didn't help much either after we got a big lead. We left the bases loaded twice. Momentum is a funny thing. When things go good or bad...strange things happen. I think I saw 14 LOB in 10th |
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