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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 30, 2022 17:00:19 GMT -8
Unless an assistant is unemployed or figures will soon be canned why would someone quit a job to come to Corvallis for one year? Why not? Why not come in with the mindset of taking over the HC position when Tinkle is let go? Why not use it as a one year or two year interview for the position? Lots of jobs are like this. If WT is fired after next season the odds of one of his assistants taking over for him as the head coach are miniscule. If he is fired or quits mid season, Jay John or Gary Anderson style, then one of the assistants will finish out the season as the interim head coach.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 20:35:03 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor. Pretty sure Iowa St canned the 2 win coach and hired the one that went E8, but yeah.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 30, 2022 21:10:14 GMT -8
If osu wins 12 next year and is much more competitive,I think Tinkle gets another year after 22/23. With 12 wins his winning percentage will actually lower to 43%. I can't imagine another P5 team that would keep a coach in that scenario. As of two years ago, of the 65 P5 teams, Oregon State ranks 63rd in basketball spending. 20 teams outside of P5 spend more on basketball than Oregon State. 10 of those are the official sixth Power Six Conference, the Big East. UCLA spends almost 150% more than what Oregon State spends on basketball. Arizona and Oregon each spend more than 66.7% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. Utah and Washington each spend almost 50% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. And yet, Oregon State has a winning record against Utah. I can't imagine that another P6 team would so grossly underfund their men's basketball team. Giving the resources that Oregon State provides the basketball team, Oregon State has no business going to an Elite Eight, making the Tournament or even breaching the seven conference win threshold.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 31, 2022 6:48:44 GMT -8
With 12 wins his winning percentage will actually lower to 43%. I can't imagine another P5 team that would keep a coach in that scenario. As of two years ago, of the 65 P5 teams, Oregon State ranks 63rd in basketball spending. 20 teams outside of P5 spend more on basketball than Oregon State. 10 of those are the official sixth Power Six Conference, the Big East. UCLA spends almost 150% more than what Oregon State spends on basketball. Arizona and Oregon each spend more than 66.7% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. Utah and Washington each spend almost 50% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. And yet, Oregon State has a winning record against Utah. I can't imagine that another P6 team would so grossly underfund their men's basketball team. Giving the resources that Oregon State provides the basketball team, Oregon State has no business going to an Elite Eight, making the Tournament or even breaching the seven conference win threshold. This is the biggest problem. It's not just Wayne's salary, he make's plenty, it's the investment they put into the program as a whole. OSU has not stepped up. Somebody mentioned earlier in one of the threads somewhere that Wayne seems to offer so few kids compared to other schools - what's our recruiting budget in comparison to others? I don't know, but if it's at the bottom that would be a partial answer.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 31, 2022 9:38:12 GMT -8
Two things can be true at the same time. One is that OSU does not prioritize men's basketball to the same degree as most of our conference competitors and WT may not be the right head coach for the program going forward. But until OSU decides to invest more into the program the results or lack of, will most likely continue to disappoint.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 31, 2022 9:44:51 GMT -8
Gonna say it again. If/when Wayne is fired,if osu wants to be relevant again,they have to pay the new hire competitive wages. Don't be 8th-12th in the conference in staff salary and expect miracles. If will be another failure. Make the job one that a difference maker covets. No one who can consistently win here will touch this job with a 10 foot pole,and if they do,they will be gone in a heartbeat. You get what you pay for...go cheap...you get exactly what we have had since 1988. We have gone on the cheap 7 times and are 0/7.
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Post by william44 on Mar 31, 2022 9:59:38 GMT -8
Agree that OSU needs to change its focus.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 31, 2022 12:43:21 GMT -8
As of two years ago, of the 65 P5 teams, Oregon State ranks 63rd in basketball spending. 20 teams outside of P5 spend more on basketball than Oregon State. 10 of those are the official sixth Power Six Conference, the Big East. UCLA spends almost 150% more than what Oregon State spends on basketball. Arizona and Oregon each spend more than 66.7% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. Utah and Washington each spend almost 50% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. And yet, Oregon State has a winning record against Utah. I can't imagine that another P6 team would so grossly underfund their men's basketball team. Giving the resources that Oregon State provides the basketball team, Oregon State has no business going to an Elite Eight, making the Tournament or even breaching the seven conference win threshold. This is the biggest problem. It's not just Wayne's salary, he make's plenty, it's the investment they put into the program as a whole. OSU has not stepped up. Somebody mentioned earlier in one of the threads somewhere that Wayne seems to offer so few kids compared to other schools - what's our recruiting budget in comparison to others? I don't know, but if it's at the bottom that would be a partial answer. As of 2018-2019, 11th in Pac-12 in recruiting budget. 63rd of 65 in recruiting spending.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 31, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -8
This is the biggest problem. It's not just Wayne's salary, he make's plenty, it's the investment they put into the program as a whole. OSU has not stepped up. Somebody mentioned earlier in one of the threads somewhere that Wayne seems to offer so few kids compared to other schools - what's our recruiting budget in comparison to others? I don't know, but if it's at the bottom that would be a partial answer. As of 2018-2019, 11th in Pac-12 in recruiting budget. 63rd of 65 in recruiting spending. I have no doubt of your numbers. No doubt. What does the rest of the conference spend their money on that if we were equal to,it would even the playing field? I'm trying to think of what you spend $$$ on in recruiting besides travel to tournaments,watching prospects games,Plane trips for campus visits,etc. I was curious about what osu should spend more money on to help out.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 31, 2022 15:33:19 GMT -8
As of 2018-2019, 11th in Pac-12 in recruiting budget. 63rd of 65 in recruiting spending. I have no doubt of your numbers. No doubt. What does the rest of the conference spend their money on that if we were equal to,it would even the playing field? I'm trying to think of what you spend $$$ on in recruiting besides travel to tournaments,watching prospects games,Plane trips for campus visits,etc. I was curious about what osu should spend more money on to help out. Hookers?
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 31, 2022 16:12:22 GMT -8
I have no doubt of your numbers. No doubt. What does the rest of the conference spend their money on that if we were equal to,it would even the playing field? I'm trying to think of what you spend $$$ on in recruiting besides travel to tournaments,watching prospects games,Plane trips for campus visits,etc. I was curious about what osu should spend more money on to help out. Hookers? We could always hire Rick Pitino and have his staff run a brothel out of the dorms like they did at Louisville.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 31, 2022 19:23:48 GMT -8
I have no doubt of your numbers. No doubt. What does the rest of the conference spend their money on that if we were equal to,it would even the playing field? I'm trying to think of what you spend $$$ on in recruiting besides travel to tournaments,watching prospects games,Plane trips for campus visits,etc. I was curious about what osu should spend more money on to help out. Hookers? And blow.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 1, 2022 4:22:13 GMT -8
As of two years ago, of the 65 P5 teams, Oregon State ranks 63rd in basketball spending. 20 teams outside of P5 spend more on basketball than Oregon State. 10 of those are the official sixth Power Six Conference, the Big East. UCLA spends almost 150% more than what Oregon State spends on basketball. Arizona and Oregon each spend more than 66.7% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. Utah and Washington each spend almost 50% more than Oregon State spends on basketball. And yet, Oregon State has a winning record against Utah. I can't imagine that another P6 team would so grossly underfund their men's basketball team. Giving the resources that Oregon State provides the basketball team, Oregon State has no business going to an Elite Eight, making the Tournament or even breaching the seven conference win threshold. This is the biggest problem. It's not just Wayne's salary, he make's plenty, it's the investment they put into the program as a whole. OSU has not stepped up. Somebody mentioned earlier in one of the threads somewhere that Wayne seems to offer so few kids compared to other schools - what's our recruiting budget in comparison to others? I don't know, but if it's at the bottom that would be a partial answer. That was me in regards to the number of offers, and I did wonder if resources were part of the problem (believe I mentioned it in the post). Sounds like that is at least part of the issue. Sucks.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 1, 2022 4:55:27 GMT -8
As of 2018-2019, 11th in Pac-12 in recruiting budget. 63rd of 65 in recruiting spending. I have no doubt of your numbers. No doubt. What does the rest of the conference spend their money on that if we were equal to,it would even the playing field? I'm trying to think of what you spend $$$ on in recruiting besides travel to tournaments,watching prospects games,Plane trips for campus visits,etc. I was curious about what osu should spend more money on to help out. i would guess the answer is staff — both in number and in size of salaries. I’m not sure where the numbers cited above came from — did schools submit their own numbers or did the survey try to ascertain what staff members (or percentage of staff members) is allocated toward recruiting. So these surveys are not always totally accurate. For example, Illinois has a staff member with title of Director of Recruiting and Scouting. Couldn’t find similar title on Beav’s’ basketball staff list, so those duties are likely being performed by a percentage of one or more staff members. So the accuracy of the numbers are in no way absolute. All that said, it would not surprise me at all if Beavers are spending in the bottom 25% or lower for recruiting operations.
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Post by seastape on Apr 1, 2022 8:51:05 GMT -8
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