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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 30, 2022 10:25:29 GMT -8
Unless an assistant is unemployed or figures will soon be canned why would someone quit a job to come to Corvallis for one year?
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 10:39:52 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 30, 2022 10:40:46 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor. In addition, assistants typically only get 1-2 year contracts anyway.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 30, 2022 11:45:23 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor. In addition, assistants typically only get 1-2 year contracts anyway. Yeah, but if they’re doing their job and HC doesn’t lose his job, I’d guess the percentage of AC’s losing their jobs is only about 25% or possibly less each year nationwide. But I do think there are plenty of good assistants that would take the job. I worry more that ACs are often guys with whom a HC has a previous relationship. Not sure how deep WT’s relationships go.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 30, 2022 12:57:10 GMT -8
Unless an assistant is unemployed or figures will soon be canned why would someone quit a job to come to Corvallis for one year? I don't see an assistant from a comparable league coming here for a year unless they really realy want to work with Wayne, but a talented assistant with recruiting connections working at a relatively unknown X Poly Tech might look at it as an opportunity to get into this level of coaching while showing they can bust their butt at recruiting and get noticed- all while getting paid substantially more than they were already getting paid. That, and I'd bet a lot of them would try to negotiate two year contracts (which are not unheard of- athleticdirectoru.com/articles/by-the-numbers-autonomy-5-mens-basketball-assistant-coaches/) to make it worth their while. OSU might have to do that. And you never know, I think there have been 40+ head coaching changes in the last couple weeks, there may be dozens of assistants already working at this level looking for work right now.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 30, 2022 13:19:40 GMT -8
As DASP said, many Division I head coaches have been fired. All had three assistants. There is a good talent pool of experienced DI assistants, at least some of whom will have an interest in OSU, a possible one-year gig or not.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 30, 2022 14:14:53 GMT -8
As DASP said, many Division I head coaches have been fired. All had three assistants. There is a good talent pool of experienced DI assistants, at least some of whom will have an interest in OSU, a possible one-year gig or not. Agreed. And it is not like assistant coaches make huge money. Could some “afford” to go a year without a job? Likely, but they don’t want to. And anyone that might move in from a smaller conference will likely receive a nice raise over what they made this year. WT shouldn’t have problems finding qualified AC candidates. Remains to be seen if WT and the new staff can make a big enough impact of year one together that the group is here for a second year.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 30, 2022 14:37:20 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor. So in your opinion. WT is a keeper if next year the record is 12-18?
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 14:58:48 GMT -8
If osu has a much improved year and wins a dozen games next year and is much more competitive,it won't be a one year gig. I can tell you two examples of schools making big jumps in win totals from abysmal to solid in a year...especially with a transfer portal available. Iowa State went from 2-22 to the sweet 16 in a year this year. Washington in the PAC-12 went from 5-21 to 17-15 this year. We just went from elite 8 to 3-28. Chemistry,leadership,talent,coaching,luck,confidence, etc all play a factor. So in your opinion. WT is a keeper if next year the record is 12-18? If osu wins 12 next year and is much more competitive,I think Tinkle gets another year after 22/23.
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Post by irimi on Mar 30, 2022 15:12:05 GMT -8
Unless an assistant is unemployed or figures will soon be canned why would someone quit a job to come to Corvallis for one year? Why not? Why not come in with the mindset of taking over the HC position when Tinkle is let go? Why not use it as a one year or two year interview for the position? Lots of jobs are like this.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 30, 2022 15:35:23 GMT -8
Maybe we can make history and bring in Joslyn as an assistant.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 30, 2022 15:43:00 GMT -8
So in your opinion. WT is a keeper if next year the record is 12-18? If osu wins 12 next year and is much more competitive,I think Tinkle gets another year after 22/23. With 12 wins his winning percentage will actually lower to 43%. I can't imagine another P5 team that would keep a coach in that scenario.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 30, 2022 16:02:05 GMT -8
The contract extension has more to do with it than anything. If we want future success...it will take $$$$ to pay off Wayne and pay a competent salary from the jump for a difference maker and staff. If not,we will be 0/7 post Ralph Miller.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 30, 2022 16:51:00 GMT -8
If osu wins 12 next year and is much more competitive,I think Tinkle gets another year after 22/23. With 12 wins his winning percentage will actually lower to 43%. I can't imagine another P5 team that would keep a coach in that scenario. If the 12 wins include a couple/few over ranked teams and the other games are squeakers without blowouts I'd suspect the AD might think things are looking up, ignore the percentages, and give it another year to see what a team that's played together for a season might do. If it's 12 squeaker wins against the worst teams on the schedule and there are a bunch of blowouts and troubles with the players I'd suspect he'd be let go. Percentages aren't everything. The Beavers could literally win EVERY game for two seasons straight, be National Champs both years, and Tinkle wouldn't have an overall .500 league record, and the next year if the team lost it's first 2 games and it'd be likely somebody would be complaining about his overall win percentage. That's the easy copout to avoid recognizing any accomplishments that had been made.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 30, 2022 16:57:58 GMT -8
With 12 wins his winning percentage will actually lower to 43%. I can't imagine another P5 team that would keep a coach in that scenario. If the 12 wins include a couple/few over ranked teams and the other games are squeakers without blowouts I'd suspect the AD might think things are looking up, ignore the percentages, and give it another year to see what a team that's played together for a season might do. If it's 12 squeaker wins against the worst teams on the schedule and there are a bunch of blowouts and troubles with the players I'd suspect he'd be let go. Percentages aren't everything. The Beavers could literally win EVERY game for two seasons straight, be National Champs both years, and Tinkle wouldn't have an overall .500 league record, and the next year if the team lost it's first 2 games and it'd be likely somebody would be complaining about his overall win percentage. That's the easy copout to avoid recognizing any accomplishments that had been made. Just curious if WT is kept after next year with a whopping 12 wins doesn't he need another extension since he will only have three years left? How could he possibly recruit players to stay 4 years with only three years left?
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