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Post by ag87 on Mar 26, 2022 10:04:11 GMT -8
We can speculate all we want but the team WT brings to the court next season can't be much worse than this trainwreck. Tinkle has a chance to really right the ship with the new hires to fill his staff. He better think this decision through. What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? I don't see anyone taking an asst job without two years (money) guaranteed.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2022 10:11:52 GMT -8
And for the record, if anyone wants to question any of these claims, please do. If any of you have any contacts who have inside info, please ask them if any of this does not ring true. I hope there are things inaccurate w/ what I was told. I hate the idea of thinking the program is still being ran by someone who would allow all of these things to go on during his watch. Hopefully there's some sort of explanation as to why such claims are being made. But keep in mind, this information was in response to being asked, not someone trying to go out and make a name for themselves (which would be pretty hard to do anonymously anyway). How do you not "allow all of these things to go on" during one's watch? It's all fine and dandy to say you'd stop it, but how? Forcing a 20 year old to have a personality change isn't super easy. Essentially "firing" three kids part way into a season when you're already short handed due to actual injuries isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do. It's not like a job where you can hire a replacement the next day or week. If a kid doesn't want to play and feigns injury, what do you do? Put him on the floor anyway and jeopardize games or have accusations of coaches forcing them to play injured? Sounds like two of the three fit that description. Sounds like they really blew it on some of the recruits, hopefully that'll never happen again, but there's probably no set method of mid-season fixes for that type of situation. Retaining those particular kids for next season would probably be a sign of a coaching problem more than being unable to repair the situation in the midst of a season would. I'd like to think they can turn it around, however it was kind of a wasted year, gonna be difficult. Hopefully next season brings substantial improvement in both attitudes and results.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 26, 2022 10:13:45 GMT -8
What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Guess we’d better hope Tinkle turns things around then. What head coach is going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? I think it’s much, much easier. The cause of said dumpster fire will be gone. Unfortunately so will any good players. Clean slate! PAC 12! Great opportunity.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2022 10:14:37 GMT -8
We can speculate all we want but the team WT brings to the court next season can't be much worse than this trainwreck. Tinkle has a chance to really right the ship with the new hires to fill his staff. He better think this decision through. What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Hey, we're Oregon State, it's been a dumpster fire since the early '90s but good coaches want to come here! I hear that on this message board all of the time.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 26, 2022 10:15:20 GMT -8
What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Guess we’d better hope Tinkle turns things around then. What head coach is going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? A young go getter who wants to build his own D1 program. There are tons of 3* type players out there that will work their tail off for the right coach and would love to play in a P5 conference. Just takes the right hire. And, without the opening you can't find them.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 26, 2022 10:15:21 GMT -8
What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? I don't see anyone taking an asst job without two years (money) guaranteed. Yep. Gig job! Demand a year of room and board! Don’t move.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 26, 2022 10:16:17 GMT -8
Head coaching wouldn't be an issue to replace. There are plenty of younger coaches at smaller schools or experienced ones looking for a second chance who would want to build a program in their way. Sometimes that's actually easier to do when you're starting from the ground floor on a rebuild and can't help but look better than how the program was left. You don’t think there’s plenty of asst. coaches looking to build a resume at a bigger school? I guess it’s fine to play the “but who’ll come here” game for asst. coaches but not the head coach.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 26, 2022 10:20:45 GMT -8
What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Hey, we're Oregon State, it's been a dumpster fire since the early '90s but good coaches want to come here! I hear that on this message board all of the time. You're only seeking guarantees? How's that working out in your own life? Past hires have zero relevance on the current situation or the potential for a new hire in the future. No one's saying a Pac12 championship caliber, John Wooden, Lute Olson type will suddenly appear. But, saying that "this" is the best OSU can do is a ridiculous line of thinking. It's a tune to giving up, poor victim OSU can't find a good hoops coach. Poor us.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 26, 2022 10:24:34 GMT -8
Guess we’d better hope Tinkle turns things around then. What head coach is going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? A young go getter who wants to build his own D1 program. There are tons of 3* type players out there that will work their tail off for the right coach and would love to play in a P5 conference. Just takes the right hire. And, without the opening you can't find them. Yeah, I guess it was more of a rhetorical question. I just hate the who’s going to come here question regardless of the position.
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Post by irimi on Mar 26, 2022 10:25:06 GMT -8
Fortunately…or unfortunately WT is nothing like GAG. Don’t call out Anderson like that! Andersen
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Post by rafer on Mar 26, 2022 10:35:54 GMT -8
What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Hey, we're Oregon State, it's been a dumpster fire since the early '90s but good coaches want to come here! I hear that on this message board all of the time. :-)
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Post by ag87 on Mar 26, 2022 10:53:46 GMT -8
I don't see anyone taking an asst job without two years (money) guaranteed. Yep. Gig job! Demand a year of room and board! Don’t move. Here's an example: 35 year old guy who has been a HS head coach for five years at some random west coast high school. You make 60k per year. You love coaching but are ambivalent about the history classes you have to teach. Your high school basketball program is really starting to roll now because you can motivate and coach. You know Tinkle a little because one of your players had been recruited. Things progress and you are offered a two-year deal at $135k per. What do you do? It's your chance to become a coach instead of a teacher/coach.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 10:55:06 GMT -8
And for the record, if anyone wants to question any of these claims, please do. If any of you have any contacts who have inside info, please ask them if any of this does not ring true. I hope there are things inaccurate w/ what I was told. I hate the idea of thinking the program is still being ran by someone who would allow all of these things to go on during his watch. Hopefully there's some sort of explanation as to why such claims are being made. But keep in mind, this information was in response to being asked, not someone trying to go out and make a name for themselves (which would be pretty hard to do anonymously anyway). How do you not "allow all of these things to go on" during one's watch? It's all fine and dandy to say you'd stop it, but how? Forcing a 20 year old to have a personality change isn't super easy. Essentially "firing" three kids part way into a season when you're already short handed due to actual injuries isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do. It's not like a job where you can hire a replacement the next day or week. If a kid doesn't want to play and feigns injury, what do you do? Put him on the floor anyway and jeopardize games or have accusations of coaches forcing them to play injured? Sounds like two of the three fit that description. Sounds like they really blew it on some of the recruits, hopefully that'll never happen again, but there's probably no set method of mid-season fixes for that type of situation. Retaining those particular kids for next season would probably be a sign of a coaching problem more than being unable to repair the situation in the midst of a season would. I'd like to think they can turn it around, however it was kind of a wasted year, gonna be difficult. Hopefully next season brings substantial improvement in both attitudes and results. I totally get its not an easy situation when players aren't complying. Its not about taking the easy way hopefully. When the season began there were players openly defying the head coach himself literally in front of the team (and using 4 letter words you'd never get away w/ at a regular job to your boss) and skipping mandatory workouts and starting fights w/ other players. At that point you don't worry what will happen if you don't keep them on. You SHOULD be worrying about what will happen if you DO keep them. And we sure found out. We had plenty of players when the season started when the incidents first happened. Lets be honest......Name one good head coach in the country who you would expect to put up w/ behavior like that from multiple newcomers in their program. (Well one besides ours). If he had tried suspensions and/or punishments, benching them or something, then you chalk it up to just bad recruiting and move on. None of those things happened and that's the main reason the behaviors only got worse and not better from what I was told. That's why we all saw the lack of team work and why the team played so far below their talent level all season. No, this team wasn't that good, but they dang well shouldn't have been the worst in OSU history by any means.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 11:04:37 GMT -8
Head coaching wouldn't be an issue to replace. There are plenty of younger coaches at smaller schools or experienced ones looking for a second chance who would want to build a program in their way. Sometimes that's actually easier to do when you're starting from the ground floor on a rebuild and can't help but look better than how the program was left. You don’t think there’s plenty of asst. coaches looking to build a resume at a bigger school? I guess it’s fine to play the “but who’ll come here” game for asst. coaches but not the head coach. I think you're much more limited on the kind of person who'd want to be an assistant if they knew the head coach allows all kinds of bad behavior w/ no consequences. Does that sound like an environment you'd want to work in? Maybe I'm wrong, but that just doesn't sound like much of an opportunity. Especially when its a place where the assistants get fired first. At least a head coach gets to determine what kind of behaviors merit consequences and which ones don't in his program.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2022 11:16:56 GMT -8
Yep. Gig job! Demand a year of room and board! Don’t move. Here's an example: 35 year old guy who has been a HS head coach for five years at some random west coast high school. You make 60k per year. You love coaching but are ambivalent about the history classes you have to teach. Your high school basketball program is really starting to roll now because you can motivate and coach. You know Tinkle a little because one of your players had been recruited. Things progress and you are offered a two-year deal at $135k per. What do you do? It's your chance to become a coach instead of a teacher/coach. I'd think even a lot of lower division college head coaches would consider being an assistant in the Pac-10 a step up. Their assistants certainly would. I suspect there's a lot of coaches out there that would consider it worth the risk if they're thinking about resume building.
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