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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 25, 2022 21:23:22 GMT -8
Oh I hear ya man! Lol….sorry I should have gotten that right away. Granted I think the same assistant recruited the 3 main problem children
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2022 21:29:43 GMT -8
Oh I hear ya man! Lol….sorry I should have gotten that right away. Granted I think the same assistant recruited the 3 main problem children Did said assistant have the final say in signing these guys? Assistants don't run the program. This coach has lost the program. Firing, letting go staff just delays the inevitable. The lack of discipline, the favoritism, and instability complaints are not new.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 25, 2022 21:37:12 GMT -8
Obviously it’s on the head coach. And the details went beyond as bad as I had imagined it. But you can’t keep the respect of anyone if you let the worst behaving players openly disrespect you w no consequences
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Post by beavsaregood on Mar 25, 2022 22:20:24 GMT -8
Whatever the "problem" was, it's all on Tinkle. He recruited these players.
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Post by avidbeaver on Mar 26, 2022 5:33:06 GMT -8
I don't care how good a player is on the court. If they are causing problems and won't change dismiss them from the team. Easy to see there were problems when a couple of players say there are a some not buying in to the system. That is on the head coach for not laying down the law. Doesn't matter who recruited them. Granted the assistant obviously didn't do their homework on the recruit but the head coach is the one responsible.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 7:05:01 GMT -8
I don't care how good a player is on the court. If they are causing problems and won't change dismiss them from the team. Easy to see there were problems when a couple of players say there are a some not buying in to the system. That is on the head coach for not laying down the law. Doesn't matter who recruited them. Granted the assistant obviously didn't do their homework on the recruit but the head coach is the one responsible. Agreed. That’s seemingly obvious you’d think. But imagine a head coach who not only doesn’t dismiss them ….but one that doesn’t even reduce playing time. And his team STILL loses almost every game
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 26, 2022 7:28:16 GMT -8
I don't care how good a player is on the court. If they are causing problems and won't change dismiss them from the team. Easy to see there were problems when a couple of players say there are a some not buying in to the system. That is on the head coach for not laying down the law. Doesn't matter who recruited them. Granted the assistant obviously didn't do their homework on the recruit but the head coach is the one responsible. Agreed. That’s seemingly obvious you’d think. But imagine a head coach who not only doesn’t dismiss them ….but one that doesn’t even reduce playing time. And his team STILL loses almost every game I don’t know the details of the problems, but if players had been dismissed this season multiple games may have been forfeited. I’m not going to imagine anything without knowing exactly what went on.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 7:41:37 GMT -8
Really do feel bad for the kids who did follow the rules and tried hard. I mean when the head coach won't do anything, what are they supposed to do? Who do they turn to? I heard there was a players meeting to try to get everyone together and work as a team early in the season. But the ones causing the issues naturally had no interesting buying in. I can't say for sure, but my source thought it was Silva and maybe Lucas as a few of the ones who tried to get things turned around by meeting. I just don't understand what the "upside" was for a head coach in choosing to not discipline anyone when required activities were skipped, when players openly defied the coaching staff and when physical altercations occurred and would even spill into the locker room from the practice floor on a regular basis.
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Post by eorbeav on Mar 26, 2022 8:15:59 GMT -8
We can speculate all we want but the team WT brings to the court next season can't be much worse than this trainwreck. Tinkle has a chance to really right the ship with the new hires to fill his staff. He better think this decision through.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2022 8:42:39 GMT -8
Agreed. That’s seemingly obvious you’d think. But imagine a head coach who not only doesn’t dismiss them ….but one that doesn’t even reduce playing time. And his team STILL loses almost every game I don’t know the details of the problems, but if players had been dismissed this season multiple games may have been forfeited. I’m not going to imagine anything without knowing exactly what went on. That was the problem. If two of the malcontents were healthy players, he had to play them because he barely had enough players to not forfeit games. Although, I guess the result may have been the same.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 8:57:31 GMT -8
Actually one of them said he was hurt, but the source said he wasn't (just didn't feel like playing since he didn't play enough to his liking) and one of them did come off the bench. Another wasn't a bad kid per se, but lost interest due to the drama and nothing being done about it and he also claimed to be "injured" and didn't play the rest of the year. So its a little in reverse here. He'd have likely had the same amount end up playing had he bothered to discipline the real trouble makers. The results wouldn't have likely been much different. I get the concerns about not having enough guys, but didn't we have a walk on (who also transferred recently) who never saw the court? Or were we afraid he'd "make us lose?" And before anything gets said falsely, it wasn't the kid w/ the concussion I was told. That was 100% legit and he is a terrific team guy per the source.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 9:08:46 GMT -8
And for the record, if anyone wants to question any of these claims, please do. If any of you have any contacts who have inside info, please ask them if any of this does not ring true. I hope there are things inaccurate w/ what I was told. I hate the idea of thinking the program is still being ran by someone who would allow all of these things to go on during his watch. Hopefully there's some sort of explanation as to why such claims are being made. But keep in mind, this information was in response to being asked, not someone trying to go out and make a name for themselves (which would be pretty hard to do anonymously anyway).
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 26, 2022 9:27:42 GMT -8
We can speculate all we want but the team WT brings to the court next season can't be much worse than this trainwreck. Tinkle has a chance to really right the ship with the new hires to fill his staff. He better think this decision through. What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire?
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 26, 2022 9:59:25 GMT -8
We can speculate all we want but the team WT brings to the court next season can't be much worse than this trainwreck. Tinkle has a chance to really right the ship with the new hires to fill his staff. He better think this decision through. What great Asst Coaches do you think are going to want to jump into this dumpster fire? Guess we’d better hope Tinkle turns things around then. What head coach is going to want to jump into this dumpster fire?
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 26, 2022 10:03:52 GMT -8
Head coaching wouldn't be an issue to replace. There are plenty of younger coaches at smaller schools or experienced ones looking for a second chance who would want to build a program in their way. Sometimes that's actually easier to do when you're starting from the ground floor on a rebuild and can't help but look better than how the program was left.
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