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Post by william44 on Mar 3, 2022 17:39:20 GMT -8
3 immature responses. I did not watch or listen. Like I said until Ge changes I can do without getting emotional. Very poor basketball. Some of You guys are just small. That is ok. You have as much right to opinion as I do. I just stopped drinking the cool aid.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 3, 2022 18:03:52 GMT -8
3 immature responses. I did not watch or listen. Like I said until Ge changes I can do without getting emotional. Very poor basketball. Some of You guys are just small. That is ok. You have as much right to opinion as I do. I just stopped drinking the cool aid. I still think this line from your post is epic: "We are great at Turnovers. Open a Bakery."  |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 3, 2022 18:09:19 GMT -8
3 immature responses. I did not watch or listen. Like I said until Ge changes I can do without getting emotional. Very poor basketball. Some of You guys are just small. That is ok. You have as much right to opinion as I do. I just stopped drinking the cool aid. I still think this line from your post is epic: "We are great at Turnovers. Open a Bakery." Factual and Funny. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 3, 2022 20:07:39 GMT -8
I miss billsaab, now that guy had some real insight.  I can't see you going there, now stay focused, look to the future, keep your eye on the ball on what William44 is looking at. Hindsight is 2020 to bring billsaab into this. It's the same guy with a different name. Just like baseba1111 and scuba steve and whatever he calls himself now. |
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Post by osu82 on Mar 3, 2022 20:35:12 GMT -8
I thought the Beavs played decent defensively. Holding Stanford to <60 pts they gave themselves a chance to win on that side of the ball. That 1st Q was the killer. 2 pts total with multiple shot clock violations and poor shooting. I think they played them pretty even rest of the game.
Idk, this OSU team is just so disheveled offensively. 3 of the starters combined for a total of 5 pts in that game. That isn’t going to get it done. Stanford was able to push the OSU offense out so they were setting up screens 3-4 ft beyond the 3 pt line, and they could just never run plays well enough to get many clean shots and the clean ones they did get were mostly missed. Codding and Mack hit big shots though and at least semi-kept the Beavs in it in the second half. TvO with a couple big 3’s, but mostly I saw her just forcing stuff, putting up bad shots, or loosing the ball. Not a great game by her.
Lots to work on. Hopefully they get a couple good games in with the WNIT and can go into the offseason on a good note.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 3, 2022 21:07:55 GMT -8
To some it may be too simplistic, but OSU just isn't athletic.
At each spot on the floor OSU is basically slow and plodding. Losing TJ hurt, but she herself isn't overly athletic.
In watching the blueprint of today's WBB Furd is athletic at every position on the floor. They have frosh who barely see the floor who are long, quick, athletic.
Even in games OSU pulled out teams have more pure athletes, quickness. It's not just at PG. For example TVO is beloved on this board, but she's not overly athletic even for a 2. Brink was able to easily stay in front of TVO. Even a post like Prechtel is fairly quick, can extend to the 3 pt line.
Next year's recruiting class doesn't solve this issue. Several positions will be lacking and other teams have passed OSU. Furd probably won't be as good, but good enough to win the Pac12. Zona, UCLA, and ucks aren't going away. WSU, Buffs and Utes have found themselves and aren't going to drop off the cliff soon. It'll take a couple classes and some key transfers for OSU to begin the move back toward the top.
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Post by jimbob on Mar 3, 2022 21:34:14 GMT -8
What stands out to me is the difference in defense and defensive philosophies. Stanford plays a ball hawking pressure defense, contesting the passing lanes, the Beavs felt fortunate to just get a decent shot off, and when they did have a decent look, they rushed their shots because of the pressure. Whereas OSU plays a sagging man or zone with little ball pressure, letting Stanford run their offense and getting good shots at will. Much of this is due to the fact that Stanford has superior athletes and players. But part of it has to do with the defensive philosophies of each coach. The weird thing is when SR first came to OS that "ball hawking pressure man defense and contesting passing lanes" was his "MO" and he won alot of games that he wasn't supposed to win with that "MO"! Unfortunately that defense has fallen by the wayside the last few years and now it's the other way around---we lose games that we should win and we aren't competitive against the really good teams like Stanford. |
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 3, 2022 22:46:59 GMT -8
What stands out to me is the difference in defense and defensive philosophies. Stanford plays a ball hawking pressure defense, contesting the passing lanes, the Beavs felt fortunate to just get a decent shot off, and when they did have a decent look, they rushed their shots because of the pressure. Whereas OSU plays a sagging man or zone with little ball pressure, letting Stanford run their offense and getting good shots at will. Much of this is due to the fact that Stanford has superior athletes and players. But part of it has to do with the defensive philosophies of each coach. The weird thing is when SR first came to OS that "ball hawking pressure man defense and contesting passing lanes" was his "MO" and he won alot of games that he wasn't supposed to win with that "MO"! Unfortunately that defense has fallen by the wayside the last few years and now it's the other way around---we lose games that we should win and we aren't competitive against the really good teams like Stanford. Sorry, but that was never SR's "MO". I think you have him confused with someone else. |
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 3, 2022 23:09:10 GMT -8
To some it may be too simplistic, but OSU just isn't athletic. At each spot on the floor OSU is basically slow and plodding. Losing TJ hurt, but she herself isn't overly athletic. In watching the blueprint of today's WBB Furd is athletic at every position on the floor. They have frosh who barely see the floor who are long, quick, athletic. Even in games OSU pulled out teams have more pure athletes, quickness. It's not just at PG. For example TVO is beloved on this board, but she's not overly athletic even for a 2. Brink was able to easily stay in front of TVO. Even a post like Prechtel is fairly quick, can extend to the 3 pt line. Next year's recruiting class doesn't solve this issue. Several positions will be lacking and other teams have passed OSU. Furd probably won't be as good, but good enough to win the Pac12. Zona, UCLA, and ucks aren't going away. WSU, Buffs and Utes have found themselves and aren't going to drop off the cliff soon. It'll take a couple classes and some key transfers for OSU to begin the move back toward the top. I'm curious, when Arizona lost their post to due to a dislocated shoulder and then lost three out of four games, did they also become unathletic? Brink and Wilson are both terrible three point shooters and hit 5/8 this game. That has nothing to do with their athleticism. It's due to the Beav's backing off of them because they are terrible three point shooters, who had the shooting night of their season. And I mean that literally, Brink has never hit more than one three in a game and Wilson has never hit more that two in a game. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 3, 2022 23:43:15 GMT -8
To some it may be too simplistic, but OSU just isn't athletic. At each spot on the floor OSU is basically slow and plodding. Losing TJ hurt, but she herself isn't overly athletic. In watching the blueprint of today's WBB Furd is athletic at every position on the floor. They have frosh who barely see the floor who are long, quick, athletic. Even in games OSU pulled out teams have more pure athletes, quickness. It's not just at PG. For example TVO is beloved on this board, but she's not overly athletic even for a 2. Brink was able to easily stay in front of TVO. Even a post like Prechtel is fairly quick, can extend to the 3 pt line. Next year's recruiting class doesn't solve this issue. Several positions will be lacking and other teams have passed OSU. Furd probably won't be as good, but good enough to win the Pac12. Zona, UCLA, and ucks aren't going away. WSU, Buffs and Utes have found themselves and aren't going to drop off the cliff soon. It'll take a couple classes and some key transfers for OSU to begin the move back toward the top. I'm curious, when Arizona lost their post to due to a dislocated shoulder and then lost three out of four games, did they also become unathletic? Brink and Wilson are both terrible three point shooters and hit 5/8 this game. That has nothing to do with their athleticism. It's due to the Beav's backing off of them because they are terrible three point shooters, who had the shooting night of their season. And I mean that literally, Brink has never hit more than one three in a game and Wilson has never hit more that two in a game. Wilson hit .452 from 3 last year. So...she was an excellent 3 point shooter, but then decided to become a terrible one during the off season? She's .322 for her career, this season appears to be a major anomaly. Also quick check of game logs shows she had 3 triples in 3 games last season. And many, many games during her career when she hit 2. Is there some huge difference between hitting 2 or 3 in an individual game?
And Brink...she's not a volume shooter from 3, but hitting .360 for her career. .367 as a Fr. and .350 this year. I'm afraid stats don't support your opinion.
Is Prechtel a good 3 point shooter? She hit .342 and .371 as a Fr. and Soph, but slumped to .265 this season. But we've all seen her get hot and knock some down and change the complexion of a game.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 4, 2022 2:21:41 GMT -8
I'm curious, when Arizona lost their post to due to a dislocated shoulder and then lost three out of four games, did they also become unathletic? Brink and Wilson are both terrible three point shooters and hit 5/8 this game. That has nothing to do with their athleticism. It's due to the Beav's backing off of them because they are terrible three point shooters, who had the shooting night of their season. And I mean that literally, Brink has never hit more than one three in a game and Wilson has never hit more that two in a game. Wilson hit .452 from 3 last year. So...she was an excellent 3 point shooter, but then decided to become a terrible one during the off season? She's .322 for her career, this season appears to be a major anomaly. Also quick check of game logs shows she had 3 triples in 3 games last season. And many, many games during her career when she hit 2. Is there some huge difference between hitting 2 or 3 in an individual game?
And Brink...she's not a volume shooter from 3, but hitting .360 for her career. .367 as a Fr. and .350 this year. I'm afraid stats don't support your opinion.
Is Prechtel a good 3 point shooter? She hit .342 and .371 as a Fr. and Soph, but slumped to .265 this season. But we've all seen her get hot and knock some down and change the complexion of a game.
"I'm afraid stats don't support your opinion"? You bring up a bunch of stuff of which none is counter to anything I said and then say I'm wrong. I clearly said of this season. Bringing up past seasons to refute what I'm saying about this season? Come on. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 4, 2022 10:04:38 GMT -8
Wilson hit .452 from 3 last year. So...she was an excellent 3 point shooter, but then decided to become a terrible one during the off season? She's .322 for her career, this season appears to be a major anomaly.
Actually if she shot .452 last year, but is still a .322 career shooter, last season looks to be the anomaly.
I looked at her bio. She shot .290, .259 and .293 from 3 in the three years before last season. This year she's back to .276. So it looks as if she is a terrible shooter who somehow managed to become a good one for one year, then reverted to her historical norm.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 4, 2022 12:35:37 GMT -8
Meh. I didn't see the game, but if daring Wilson and Brink to shoot 3's was the defensive strategy, it wasn't a very good one. Neither is a great 3 point shooter, but describing them as "terrible" is completely inaccurate. If there's one player from Stanford you concede a 3 to, it's Jones. Or Belibi, but she simply doesn't take them.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 4, 2022 13:16:52 GMT -8
Meh. I didn't see the game, but if daring Wilson and Brink to shoot 3's was the defensive strategy, it wasn't a very good one. Neither is a great 3 point shooter, but describing them as "terrible" is completely inaccurate. If there's one player from Stanford you concede a 3 to, it's Jones. Or Belibi, but she simply doesn't take them. If that was their strategy they sure did a great acting job trying to fight their way out to the perimeter when they realized how out of position they were! |
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 4, 2022 15:55:12 GMT -8
Glad it is over. Lousy. Hard to watch. We are great at Turnovers. Open a Bakery. Not a good Team at all. Who really wants to watch this.? I miss billsaab, now that guy had some real insight. I'm hearing that billsaab actually watched the games, while william44 only looks at stats. |
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