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Post by ag87 on Mar 10, 2022 11:21:45 GMT -8
I agree, NATO was not played. I'm guessing that's heard on some of the fringe right media. I've seen the no-fly-zone video above, yet I wish we would implement some version of that. How I see the big situation is that Putin has a choice to lose a little and soon or a lot and later. I don't know if he has the personal capacity to choose the soon.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 10, 2022 11:44:03 GMT -8
I agree, NATO was not played. I'm guessing that's heard on some of the fringe right media. I've seen the no-fly-zone video above, yet I wish we would implement some version of that. How I see the big situation is that Putin has a choice to lose a little and soon or a lot and later. I don't know if he has the personal capacity to choose the soon. I'm not optimistic on a negotiated settlement in the near future. Putler wants Zelenskyy dead. And that's not something that can really be negotiated. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2022 11:48:51 GMT -8
I agree, NATO was not played. I'm guessing that's heard on some of the fringe right media. I've seen the no-fly-zone video above, yet I wish we would implement some version of that. How I see the big situation is that Putin has a choice to lose a little and soon or a lot and later. I don't know if he has the personal capacity to choose the soon. I'm not optimistic on a negotiated settlement in the near future. Putler wants Zelenskyy dead. And that's not something that can really be negotiated.  You can't kill the auto parts King. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 10, 2022 15:57:22 GMT -8
I'm not optimistic on a negotiated settlement in the near future. Putler wants Zelenskyy dead. And that's not something that can really be negotiated. You can't kill the auto parts King. I'm more impressed with this (non-fictional) guy  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 10, 2022 21:21:24 GMT -8
I agree, NATO was not played. I'm guessing that's heard on some of the fringe right media. I've seen the no-fly-zone video above, yet I wish we would implement some version of that. How I see the big situation is that Putin has a choice to lose a little and soon or a lot and later. I don't know if he has the personal capacity to choose the soon. If NATO nations are not delivering defensive weaponry to Ukraine, in order to avoid goading Russia to invade, when Russia was always planning to invade, NATO got played. And you saw NATO nations delaying deliveries of defensive weaponry to Ukraine in the buildup to the invasion. NATO got played. I will say, though, that, if Ukraine pulls this thing out, then, the Russkies just played themselves. There was an interesting Wall Street Journal article about setting up a no fly zone over Lviv. But, at that point, we would be starting to talk about a Cold War-style division of Ukraine. I am still hopeful that Ukraine (with NATO's help) can still save most of Ukraine. Russia is just not as powerful or respected as they think they are. At this point, they are throwing good money after bad to everyone's detriment. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 11, 2022 11:55:31 GMT -8
I agree, NATO was not played. I'm guessing that's heard on some of the fringe right media. I've seen the no-fly-zone video above, yet I wish we would implement some version of that. How I see the big situation is that Putin has a choice to lose a little and soon or a lot and later. I don't know if he has the personal capacity to choose the soon. If NATO nations are not delivering defensive weaponry to Ukraine, in order to avoid goading Russia to invade, when Russia was always planning to invade, NATO got played. And you saw NATO nations delaying deliveries of defensive weaponry to Ukraine in the buildup to the invasion. NATO got played. I will say, though, that, if Ukraine pulls this thing out, then, the Russkies just played themselves. There was an interesting Wall Street Journal article about setting up a no fly zone over Lviv. But, at that point, we would be starting to talk about a Cold War-style division of Ukraine. I am still hopeful that Ukraine (with NATO's help) can still save most of Ukraine. Russia is just not as powerful or respected as they think they are. At this point, they are throwing good money after bad to everyone's detriment. If Putler wanted to strengthen and galvanize the NATO alliance and ignite serious public support in Finland and Sweden toward joining, he is succeeding beyond his wildest dreams. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 11, 2022 14:01:28 GMT -8
If NATO nations are not delivering defensive weaponry to Ukraine, in order to avoid goading Russia to invade, when Russia was always planning to invade, NATO got played. And you saw NATO nations delaying deliveries of defensive weaponry to Ukraine in the buildup to the invasion. NATO got played. I will say, though, that, if Ukraine pulls this thing out, then, the Russkies just played themselves. There was an interesting Wall Street Journal article about setting up a no fly zone over Lviv. But, at that point, we would be starting to talk about a Cold War-style division of Ukraine. I am still hopeful that Ukraine (with NATO's help) can still save most of Ukraine. Russia is just not as powerful or respected as they think they are. At this point, they are throwing good money after bad to everyone's detriment. If Putler wanted to strengthen and galvanize the NATO alliance and ignite serious public support in Finland and Sweden toward joining, he is succeeding beyond his wildest dreams. I agree 100%. I am confused as to what his end game is. I don't think that he has thought this through. Having said that: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It is great that Finland and Sweden want to get serious about a growing problem. But it is terrible that multiple NATO countries and other nonaligned European nations did not step up to the plate and do all that they could to help Ukraine before the invasion started, rather than on day 16. |
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 11, 2022 15:02:40 GMT -8
If Putler wanted to strengthen and galvanize the NATO alliance and ignite serious public support in Finland and Sweden toward joining, he is succeeding beyond his wildest dreams. I agree 100%. I am confused as to what his end game is. I don't think that he has thought this through. Having said that: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It is great that Finland and Sweden want to get serious about a growing problem. But it is terrible that multiple NATO countries and other nonaligned European nations did not step up to the plate and do all that they could to help Ukraine before the invasion started, rather than on day 16. I'm not sure what else the world could have done short of drawing some serious nuclear lines in the sand or sending troops, and both risk a disproportional response by Russia. Nato has worked with the Ukraine to improve its force readiness, and supplied hardware that the Ukraine troops can easily use. Sending more jets when they don't have pilots to fly them, or promise heavy hardware when said hardware is thousands of miles away and would take the troops weeks to learn how to use them - one doesn't jump in an M1 tank and take it right to the front lines, are a few examples of not too practical options. I don't want to send a few divisions of our troops to directly confront an unstable dictator with a big red button at hand. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 12, 2022 8:11:44 GMT -8
If Putler wanted to strengthen and galvanize the NATO alliance and ignite serious public support in Finland and Sweden toward joining, he is succeeding beyond his wildest dreams. I agree 100%. I am confused as to what his end game is. I don't think that he has thought this through. Having said that: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It is great that Finland and Sweden want to get serious about a growing problem. But it is terrible that multiple NATO countries and other nonaligned European nations did not step up to the plate and do all that they could to help Ukraine before the invasion started, rather than on day 16. If there is any sort of truth to the propaganda, then NATO doing anything would have bolstered Putin’s claim that NATO (and the US) is trying to isolate Russia. It probably would’ve steeled the Russian army and people for the war. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 15, 2022 11:24:44 GMT -8
Tired and really don't care about the political blame games. But, I think we pretty much all know that big oil are greedy b@stards. My question is to those who know more about oil... pricing and production... than I do.
Why when oil increases in price/barrel there is an immediate jump in gas prices (gas that was refined from oil at a purchased much lower rate), yet when oil decreases as it has fairly steadily since March 7th, with almost a 30% drop, why is there no such price change at the pump?
Asking for LOTS of friends...
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2022 14:39:56 GMT -8
Tired and really don't care about the political blame games. But, I think we pretty much all know that big oil are greedy b@stards. My question is to those who know more about oil... pricing and production... than I do. Why when oil increases in price/barrel there is an immediate jump in gas prices (gas that was refined from oil at a purchased much lower rate), yet when oil decreases as it has fairly steadily since March 7th, with almost a 30% drop, why is there no such price change at the pump? Asking for LOTS of friends... $$$ |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 15, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -8
Tired and really don't care about the political blame games. But, I think we pretty much all know that big oil are greedy b@stards. My question is to those who know more about oil... pricing and production... than I do. Why when oil increases in price/barrel there is an immediate jump in gas prices (gas that was refined from oil at a purchased much lower rate), yet when oil decreases as it has fairly steadily since March 7th, with almost a 30% drop, why is there no such price change at the pump? Asking for LOTS of friends... I know many people in the industry. Volatility is when they make the big bucks by doing exactly what you said. Big increases with news that barrel prices are going up and lowering prices at a sloth-like pace when barrel prices decline. And these are not the big oil guys, these are local and regional companies. It is SOP in the industry. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 15, 2022 20:36:11 GMT -8
Tired and really don't care about the political blame games. But, I think we pretty much all know that big oil are greedy b@stards. My question is to those who know more about oil... pricing and production... than I do. Why when oil increases in price/barrel there is an immediate jump in gas prices (gas that was refined from oil at a purchased much lower rate), yet when oil decreases as it has fairly steadily since March 7th, with almost a 30% drop, why is there no such price change at the pump? Asking for LOTS of friends... Well, first you have to understand the downstream inconsistencies of the refining process, and the distillate chain as it relates to the crack spread. Factor in the futures contracts that are complicated by cantango and you have an unusual situation. When the refineries are in switch over from winter to summer fuel, you have to realize that this is all just a bunch of bulls%#t, and the real answer is money! But actually, gas stations don’t have a large storage capacity and the prices hit them from the refiners, and so on up the line. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 16, 2022 4:52:03 GMT -8
Tired and really don't care about the political blame games. But, I think we pretty much all know that big oil are greedy b@stards. My question is to those who know more about oil... pricing and production... than I do. Why when oil increases in price/barrel there is an immediate jump in gas prices (gas that was refined from oil at a purchased much lower rate), yet when oil decreases as it has fairly steadily since March 7th, with almost a 30% drop, why is there no such price change at the pump? Asking for LOTS of friends... Well, first you have to understand the downstream inconsistencies of the refining process, and the distillate chain as it relates to the crack spread. Factor in the futures contracts that are complicated by cantango and you have an unusual situation. When the refineries are in switch over from winter to summer fuel, you have to realize that this is all just a bunch of bulls%#t, and the real answer is money! But actually, gas stations don’t have a large storage capacity and the prices hit them from the refiners, and so on up the line. You said “crack spread”….. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 16, 2022 18:23:57 GMT -8
Well, first you have to understand the downstream inconsistencies of the refining process, and the distillate chain as it relates to the crack spread. Factor in the futures contracts that are complicated by cantango and you have an unusual situation. When the refineries are in switch over from winter to summer fuel, you have to realize that this is all just a bunch of bulls%#t, and the real answer is money! But actually, gas stations don’t have a large storage capacity and the prices hit them from the refiners, and so on up the line. You said “crack spread”….. Just for you! |
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