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Post by skyrider on Feb 12, 2022 16:05:19 GMT -8
What am I missing here? Coach Rueck keeps talking about this team like they are playing better and better, progressing well, and on and on.
I look at them and see their record and their play sinking them to the bottom of the PAC 12.
Just as the Emperor in the old child's fable could not or would not see accurately what was in front of eyes, Rueck seems to be missing some rather clear
realities:
*His post players are either not talented enough or developing enough or both to allow him to run the type of offense he keeps running
*His wing and point guard players are not talented enough, quick enough, or athletic enough to compete with an ever increasing number of PAC 12 teams.
*The weaknesses of the program (lots of turnovers, failure to win hardly any games that they do win by more than a few points) continue and the strengths that they did have (excellent 3 point shooting, stellar defense) are diminishing.
I hope I am dead wrong about this but with new assistant coaches unlikely to challenge the Coach about anything, I am sure those coaches are saying the things Coach Rueck wants to hear rather than the reality of what they are seeing!
Many (probably most) of you have more knowledge and better perspective of the situation than I do, so I look forward to hearing things that will assist me in feeling better about seemingly losing something I have very much enjoyed over the past several years-excellent OSU women's basketball!
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 12, 2022 16:20:04 GMT -8
I am far more optimistic about the next few years than you are, obviously. I respect your opinion. At the same time, those former assistants in which you place so much value, were the primary recruiters for this team in which you see so many holes.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 12, 2022 16:30:37 GMT -8
zeroposter,
Thank you for the reply. Is it also possible that those former assistants developed the players once they were in the program much better than the current ones are now doing?
That issue aside I would be very appreciative to hear your perspective on some of my other points (such as what the heck has happened to our 3 point shooting!)
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 12, 2022 19:01:22 GMT -8
zeroposter, Thank you for the reply. Is it also possible that those former assistants developed the players once they were in the program much better than the current ones are now doing? That issue aside I would be very appreciative to hear your perspective on some of my other points (such as what the heck has happened to our 3 point shooting!) It makes me laugh how much credit people are giving Katie and Brian. Jonas has been the primary assistant the whole time, passed on numerous head coaching opportunities and yet the key to this season is evidently the loss of our #2 and #3 assistant coaches. C’mon. |
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 12, 2022 19:08:34 GMT -8
zeroposter, Thank you for the reply. Is it also possible that those former assistants developed the players once they were in the program much better than the current ones are now doing? That issue aside I would be very appreciative to hear your perspective on some of my other points (such as what the heck has happened to our 3 point shooting!) Holy crap do we need a true point guard. Lol. But, again, the recent recruiting has been lacking in that regard. Great recruits and young players, but ... |
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 12, 2022 20:59:12 GMT -8
zeroposter, Thank you for the reply. Is it also possible that those former assistants developed the players once they were in the program much better than the current ones are now doing? That issue aside I would be very appreciative to hear your perspective on some of my other points (such as what the heck has happened to our 3 point shooting!) Holy crap do we need a true point guard. Lol. But, again, the recent recruiting has been lacking in that regard. Great recruits and young players, but ... Have we ever had what most folks on the board call a “true” PG other that Slocum? And honestly, a LOT of our turnovers are not by folks in the PG position. We just need to clean that stuff up, and clean up our defensive precision as well. |
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Post by nuds on Feb 12, 2022 21:19:47 GMT -8
Just curious what the numerous head coaching positions that Jonas Chatterton turned down were. I haven't heard of a single one.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 12, 2022 21:24:16 GMT -8
Just curious what the numerous head coaching positions that Jonas Chatterton turned down were. I haven't heard of a single one. Portland State, Washington St…….etc… |
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Post by finleybandbeav on Feb 13, 2022 5:45:26 GMT -8
If they had one more loss they'd be a .500 ball club, which is stunning, and they're obviously below that in conference. The flame has pretty much flickered out on this season, barring a miracle in the PAC-12 tourney (don't count on it). Oh well. Here's hoping for a better 2022-2023 campaign. I'm still tuning in to watch or listen for signs of progress. There's still time for someone new (or not) to break out.
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Post by abeck on Feb 13, 2022 8:04:07 GMT -8
Anyone who cannot see that the team is playing better than at the beginning of the year isn't remembering how awful the start was. Yes, still mistakes a plenty...but the good stretches are getting bigger...just still lots of bad stretches. Wins don't come instantly. We got super lucky that it seemed we won every close game the last 8 years. So...maybe we have the skewed expectations.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 13, 2022 8:21:42 GMT -8
Anyone who cannot see that the team is playing better than at the beginning of the year isn't remembering how awful the start was. Yes, still mistakes a plenty...but the good stretches are getting bigger...just still lots of bad stretches. Wins don't come instantly. We got super lucky that it seemed we won every close game the last 8 years. So...maybe we have the skewed expectations. SR is a good coach, and good coaches' teams improve as the season progresses. But there are a lot of good coaches in the conference. Right now, we have middle of the conference talent and until that changes that is where our record will be. |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 13, 2022 10:11:28 GMT -8
What am I missing here? Coach Rueck keeps talking about this team like they are playing better and better, progressing well, and on and on.
I look at them and see their record and their play sinking them to the bottom of the PAC 12.
Just as the Emperor in the old child's fable could not or would not see accurately what was in front of eyes, Rueck seems to be missing some rather clear
realities:
*His post players are either not talented enough or developing enough or both to allow him to run the type of offense he keeps running
*His wing and point guard players are not talented enough, quick enough, or athletic enough to compete with an ever increasing number of PAC 12 teams.
*The weaknesses of the program (lots of turnovers, failure to win hardly any games that they do win by more than a few points) continue and the strengths that they did have (excellent 3 point shooting, stellar defense) are diminishing.
I hope I am dead wrong about this but with new assistant coaches unlikely to challenge the Coach about anything, I am sure those coaches are saying the things Coach Rueck wants to hear rather than the reality of what they are seeing!
Many (probably most) of you have more knowledge and better perspective of the situation than I do, so I look forward to hearing things that will assist me in feeling better about seemingly losing something I have very much enjoyed over the past several years-excellent OSU women's basketball!
So in your opinion the coach should be negative about the team to the public? |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2022 10:42:30 GMT -8
To the glove,
Thank you for your valuable contribution.
In my opinion, the coach should not be negative about the team to the public. Unfortunately often it becomes difficult for the coach to separate reality from delusion when he begins to believe his own propaganda rather than being able to clearly distinguish it from what he knows to be true.
It is my belief that this program has been on the decline (a very gradual one) for the last three years. Does that mean I would suggest we change Coaches?
Heck no! Coach Rueck at his worst is far better than what we ever had before. I just think it is discouraging to see that reality is not being recognized.
Often it is hard enough to turn things around even when the facts are clear and understood. When they are ignored it becomes near impossible.
Go Beavers.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 13, 2022 10:43:27 GMT -8
Fans who tend to go overboard on their teams ignore/downplay the progress of opponents. And, in doing so find negativity everywhere except their own backyard
In rereading past posts it seemed a common belief that:
- SR was the only/best at incorporating the "family" cohesiveness and atmosphere;
- OSU was better at "developing" players;
- the "bar" being raised (if it truly was) would not affect OSU and its upper tier standing;
- every other top tier coach under achieved, was an arsehat, or some combo of negativity;
The truth is really none and all of the above for all programs. OSU/SR isn't "special" except it's who we root for. Many many programs have terrific coaches and characteristics. All have ups and downs, hits and misses.
SR certainly turned OSU around and got the program to elite status. But, as anyone who has been involved in athletics, business, life, it's far more difficult to sustain excellence than reach it. There are many intertwined reasons for the current season and state of the program. All are repairable. Some more difficult than others, but all fall on SR to first correctly recognize, and address. And, it starts at the top.
It's not fault, it's growth. And, if SR stops growing the program will be passed by. As a fan base it's fine to question and critique. I personally find it beneath an intelligent fan base to consistently disparage opponents that are clearly doing something right. To complain about Pac12 officials, the conspiracy of bad calls, certain officials correlating to CW losses, etc. seems childish.
The Pac12 has improved dramatically since OSU's F4 team. As far as a scheme and on court performances OSU has not. Folks like to hang their hat on recruiting classes as a fix. Talent placed in a system that doesn't necessary fit and is well known throughout the league isn't the solution. What SR wants from his players is predictable and sometimes appears constraining. What was frustrating for opponents is now easier to defend.
The program will be fine IF the HC has the ability to evaluate himself first. To step back, adjust and grow. This season isn't a head scratcher, it's a wake up call and a chance to grow without falling off a cliff.
Sorry for the length and "preachy" tone. But, as much as fans care it's all on SR's shoulders. It'll be telling how he handles the remainder of this season and the off season.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2022 10:47:49 GMT -8
rgeorge,
Great post! What I wish I could have been articulate and informed enough to say.
Thank you!
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