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Post by OSUprof on Dec 18, 2021 20:51:43 GMT -8
The 5-27 season was the only 5-win season in the past 100+ years of Beaver basketball - the lowest win total of the period. That season set a record for the all-time lowest winning percentage in OSU history at 0.156.
OSU is currently at 0.091 and is on track for a 3-win season. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 18, 2021 21:58:25 GMT -8
Altman is 132 - 66 in pac12 play. I wouldn't be having this back and forth if tinkle was at least in the ballpark. And how in the hell does Altman do it. A few weeks ago they play like trash and they lose tonight playing number one Baylor at home 78 to 70. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 18, 2021 23:33:42 GMT -8
Altman is 132 - 66 in pac12 play. I wouldn't be having this back and forth if tinkle was at least in the ballpark. And how in the hell does Altman do it. A few weeks ago they play like trash and they lose tonight playing number one Baylor at home 78 to 70. Here are the painful facts; Altman is currently 33rd in all time wins - 10th among active coaches with 690 wins. For comparisons sake Ralph has 657. Depending on how long he coaches he may end up in the top 10 of all time wins. He currently has a streak of 24 straight winning seasons one of 4 active coaches who have a streak of 20 or more straight winning seasons. I remember after they fired Kent, they did a search that lasted over 6 weeks and many, including myself mocked them for taking so long, getting turned down by seemingly everyone they approached, they made a run at all the big-name coaches at the time, Donavan, Izzo, Jay Wright etc... Of course, none were interested, but most all of the coaches and basketball people they talked to all brought up the name Dana Altman as someone they should consider. You can say that Oregon lucked out, or maybe they were just methodical and did their due diligence. The success or failure of athletic department teams is largely determined on the quality of coaching hires. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 19, 2021 7:29:01 GMT -8
I just noticed that Utah, which was picked to finish 10th, has 8 newcomers on the team. After losing last night to Missouri, they’re now 7-4. The Utes and Beavers have two common opponents — Tulsa and Cal — though games played under different conditions. Utes beat Tulsa 72-58, but on a neutral court rather than on the road, and Cal 66-58, but at home. What is of interest to me is that during a previous season of “Tinkle must go” when people were saying “Yeah, but who could we get,” Craig Smith is a name I offered up as a potential candidate.
Beavs play Utah at home at the end of the year, and I’ll be interested to see which team seems more cohesive and hustles.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 19, 2021 9:46:17 GMT -8
I just noticed that Utah, which was picked to finish 10th, has 8 newcomers on the team. After losing last night to Missouri, they’re now 7-4. The Utes and Beavers have two common opponents — Tulsa and Cal — though games played under different conditions. Utes beat Tulsa 72-58, but on a neutral court rather than on the road, and Cal 66-58, but at home. What is of interest to me is that during a previous season of “Tinkle must go” when people were saying “Yeah, but who could we get,” Craig Smith is a name I offered up as a potential candidate. Beavs play Utah at home at the end of the year, and I’ll be interested to see which team seems more cohesive and hustles. There you go blowing a hole in the "tinkle is the best we can do" or "who else would take the job" mantras. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2021 10:23:34 GMT -8
I just noticed that Utah, which was picked to finish 10th, has 8 newcomers on the team. After losing last night to Missouri, they’re now 7-4. The Utes and Beavers have two common opponents — Tulsa and Cal — though games played under different conditions. Utes beat Tulsa 72-58, but on a neutral court rather than on the road, and Cal 66-58, but at home. What is of interest to me is that during a previous season of “Tinkle must go” when people were saying “Yeah, but who could we get,” Craig Smith is a name I offered up as a potential candidate. Beavs play Utah at home at the end of the year, and I’ll be interested to see which team seems more cohesive and hustles. There you go blowing a hole in the "tinkle is the best we can do" or "who else would take the job" mantras. And, the sad thing that mantra really has zero to do with WT. It's more about the low esteem some in the fan base has for OSU athletics. It's really a weird dichotomy. They want to win, have consistent excellence, but don't think there's viable quality coaches willing to take coaching openings. It's that same mentality that had folks overlooking the obvious red flags when GAG was hired. Very little sleuthing was required to see he was a train wreck. But, it was "oh boy a winning B10 coach wants OSU!!" Then followed with every excuse in the book to give "big boy" more time. I'm betting similar thoughts were used on wanting Bray as DC. "Who could OSU possibly land that was better?" I mean over a dozen years as an assistant in several programs. Of course the "Canham Factor", must be the right guy as he's an OSU guy. Will Bray workout? No one knows. But, the OSU program deserved a more lengthy/in-depth search. There was no need to hire in December. If Bray was the best candidate he would still be in late January or early February. And, it's also funny that the mantra itself is easily proven wrong by other OSU sports. There are large numbers of high quality coaches out there. Many might even have west coast ties. But, a HC coaching gig in the Pac12 is highly desirable. The key isn't "who would want the job", it's the folks doing the research and hiring. There'd be plenty of interest. I'm guessing most every regular poster here knows WT is not going anywhere in the near future. But, as happens on EVERY fan board posters discuss their HC's career, attributes, and opinions on their wishes the future of the program. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 19, 2021 11:21:48 GMT -8
I thought after last year's elite 8 run that that would buy WT at least 2 more seasons, which is probably still the case. But what if they only win 3 or 4 games this season? which isn't out of the realm of possibility. How hot does his seat get? I don't think they will fire him, but his seat should be plenty hot going into next season. Just 3-4 wins and it's very hot, probably hot enough he'd need another tournament appearance to stay beyond next year. There a lot of season left though. |
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Post by timber on Dec 19, 2021 11:34:30 GMT -8
The 5-27 season was the only 5-win season in the past 100+ years of Beaver basketball - the lowest win total of the period. That season set a record for the all-time lowest winning percentage in OSU history at 0.156.
OSU is currently at 0.091 and is on track for a 3-win season. Didn't Eddy Payne's first team go 4-23? |
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 19, 2021 11:41:02 GMT -8
The 5-27 season was the only 5-win season in the past 100+ years of Beaver basketball - the lowest win total of the period. That season set a record for the all-time lowest winning percentage in OSU history at 0.156.
OSU is currently at 0.091 and is on track for a 3-win season. Didn't Eddy Payne's first team go 4-23? 6-21
The last time an OSU team had a sub-5 win season was 3 wins in 1918-19. That team was 3-13.
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Post by orangeexpress on Dec 19, 2021 17:24:41 GMT -8
Didn't Eddy Payne's first team go 4-23? 6-21
The last time an OSU team had a sub-5 win season was 3 wins in 1918-19. That team was 3-13.
Eddie's first team went 4-23, but then was gifted 2 wins over Cal due to an eligibility issue (thanks Todd Bozeman...). Meanwhile Ralph's 1975-76 team went 18-9, but technically that win/loss tally reduced to 3-24 after Lonnie Shelton was ruled ineligible. I prefer to consider both of those teams by their initial record than the corrected total, in which case our last sub-5 win is 1995-96 in my book. Cheers |
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 19, 2021 18:18:47 GMT -8
6-21
The last time an OSU team had a sub-5 win season was 3 wins in 1918-19. That team was 3-13.
Eddie's first team went 4-23, but then was gifted 2 wins over Cal due to an eligibility issue (thanks Todd Bozeman...). Meanwhile Ralph's 1975-76 team went 18-9, but technically that win/loss tally reduced to 3-24 after Lonnie Shelton was ruled ineligible. I prefer to consider both of those teams by their initial record than the corrected total, in which case our last sub-5 win is 1995-96 in my book. Cheers I have my own set of records too. But in this case I used the official records. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 19, 2021 18:31:14 GMT -8
Eddie's first team went 4-23, but then was gifted 2 wins over Cal due to an eligibility issue (thanks Todd Bozeman...). Meanwhile Ralph's 1975-76 team went 18-9, but technically that win/loss tally reduced to 3-24 after Lonnie Shelton was ruled ineligible. I prefer to consider both of those teams by their initial record than the corrected total, in which case our last sub-5 win is 1995-96 in my book. Cheers I have my own set of records too. But in this case I used the official records. Then, you would agree Ralph sucked in the postseason right? |
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 19, 2021 18:52:08 GMT -8
I have my own set of records too. But in this case I used the official records. Then, you would agree Ralph sucked in the postseason right? I would certainly agree. No question. |
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 19, 2021 19:06:07 GMT -8
I have my own set of records too. But in this case I used the official records. Then, you would agree Ralph sucked in the postseason right? I was providing more detail with regard to the recent 5-27 season and how the current season compares. I did not mention Coach Miller at all until this post.
But since you asked the question, his post-season record was not consistent with his in-season records. I'm not one of those "Ralph Miller is a deity" types so I can say that he was not a good coach once his teams were in the post-season.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2021 19:27:54 GMT -8
Ok... can this thread just end. LOL It's 4 times longer than the A&M game thread.  We all know the current record. We all know there is a lot of season left. And all have opinions and factoids on WT. Next... |
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