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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 7:56:22 GMT -8
Nope. Just quoting your nonsense. Hate to give you your daily requirement of attention. But, do you know what quoting means? "So last year it was other teams with COVID that led to our run..." Couldn't find this anywhere in my post or brief search of any other post. Except your complete fabrication of course. 🤔🤣 It means this....."Covid greatly affected many opponents more severely than OSU" |
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Post by irimi on Dec 18, 2021 9:06:20 GMT -8
1. RPI. Wake beat Charlotte, and Oregon State's SOS is now up to 29. 2. I have no idea. I am putting that out there. Only 28 teams have played harder schedules than Oregon State.
3. Just looking at Penn State, Wagner's NET is 54. Cornell is 6-2. Youngstown State is 6-3. Penn State's RPI SOS is 14. They have not beat traditional powers, but have beat four good teams, and St. Francis. Still, even Penn State has played two teams with losing records.
4. Oregon State started last year 5-5. I think people that were predicting better than that were optimists. I don't know what pessimists were thinking, but I am guessing that it was a losing record of some sort. I'm sure that baseba11 had 0-10 in his office pool, though, and is upset that Oregon State was able to walk away with the W, hence his ire on here.
1-9 is bad, though. I am not a fan. But I am not going to pretend that the team is a roving dumpster fire.
I agree with most of everything else that you wrote. I think that Tinkle will probably be coaching here in 2023. Still, the 11 months ago chicken little schtick from some on here gets on my nerves. The same people piping off on here without any analysis or insight are the same people that were dumping on an Elite Eight team in January 2021.So going into this year, you didn’t have wins penciled in against Portland St., Samford, UC-Davis, Princeton and at least a split against Iowa St/ Tulsa (Iowa St won 2 games last year and had 6 or 7 newcomers/Tulsa was a game under .500 and lost its top two scorers) as well as at least 1 win in tourney (Penn St was picked to finish 13th in BIG after going 11-14 last year and losing its top two scorers)? That to me speaks volumes about where the program is. I wouldn’t call those lofty expectations for a Pac 12 team . I think that should bother Beaver fans. I’m not sure what your definition of “roving dumpster fire” is, but 1-9 and #275 in NET is certainly close enough to smell the accelerant. Can Tinkle turn things around this year? Man I hope so, but I really don’t see it. I keep looking for some sign that the team is buying in, but haven’t seen it yet. And if we don’t see it over the next 10 games then my hope is that Tinkle can identify the 4, 6, 8 or whatever number it is of players who will buy in, play hard and that he can move forward with next year. Play those guys no matter the result (why not, he’s not gonna get fired anyway) and make sure they stick around cuz you know there will be transfers out. If not, next year will be more of the same. They do bother Beaver fans. No one is saying that the team is where it should be. Some want the nuclear option. Others are saying, well, let's just hold off a bit. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 18, 2021 10:57:29 GMT -8
Hate to give you your daily requirement of attention. But, do you know what quoting means? "So last year it was other teams with COVID that led to our run..." Couldn't find this anywhere in my post or brief search of any other post. Except your complete fabrication of course. 🤔🤣 It means this....."Covid greatly affected many opponents more severely than OSU" So, you decided to actually quote not your typical fantasy version of paraphrasing. To that quote, It's been a while, but I believe I read that OSU was one of the least affected teams in the Pac12 in players being sick/player games missed. Of the key players: Hunt 31/33 games, missed 2 for concussion; Calloo 33/33 games Lucas 33/33 ET 33/33 Alatishe 33/33 Zach 33/33 Silva 31/33, 2 games to protcol Andela 32/33, 1 DNP Tucker 29/33, 3 DNP, 1 undisclosed... only played 9 min per Without even researching, I'll stick with my quote! Thx for playing. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 18, 2021 11:45:05 GMT -8
I have some questions that perhaps some of you especially those that back the continued employment of WT could answer.
1. Now in the 8th year why is a 52-78 pac12 record acceptable?
2. Why are there only 4 on the current roster that were recruited as freshmen?
3. Why do some compare WT against past bad OSU coaches and in the comparison therefore say WT is a good coach? If students in a certain class got a D- and I got a C- does the comparison make me a stellar student?
4. Why do some use the strength of schedule as an excuse? Perhaps the question should be why aren't we beating these teams? Why are we so far down the totem pole?
5. After 5 seniors leave after this year and likely a few transfers do you think WT will again load up on more transfers or do you think somehow he will be able to actually recruit high school kids?
6. While the elite 8 run was great lets be honest we were damn lucky to make the tournament.
7. I have heard WT has 6 years left on his contract although I am not sure. If this ineptness continues at what point do you buy him out? Especially when some of you have stated that extensions are needed for recruiting purposes?
Just a few questions I have at this time.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 18, 2021 12:22:12 GMT -8
Are you paying attention? The oft injured N’Diaye, who was never a factor during the Robinson years, was the only Robinson “leftover” in that season. Nobody else on the team was a Robinson Recruit. Everyone else had 1 year or less of major college PRACTICE under their belts, several were walk-ons. There should have been Robinson recruited juniors and seniors “left over” on that team to provide some semblance of leadership, beyond N’Diaye there were none. With the exception of GP2, who was only a 2 year player who Tinkle had to basically re-recruit, Robinson’s last 2 classes did not pan out, absent a “Fab Five” recruiting year, any coach OSU would have hired was set up for failure that season. Paying direct attention... are you? First... WT did not have to re-recruit GPII. OSU was his only significant offer that panned out, GP had basically assured he was sticking with his alma mater. WT was the lucky recipient, not the recruiter who convinced him to stay. It's not about CR's last two classes. His vets gave WT two transition seasons of having winning records and an NCAA berth. The CR crew was basically gone in WT's 3rd year, but WT should have had two full classes. The 3rd year was basically all WT recruits... yes? Basically no talent or depth brought in. Tres was a soph, Steven a soph that fateful season... other than the sons who else did WT bring in with them their Frosh years: Drew Big G Bruce Manuel Muller as a transfer (sat out '15-16) So take away the sons and what your take on this 1st class? WT knows he has 5 Seniors (1 being the best player in the conference, 2 who basically were injured every other day), and 2 walk ons that never played going into the '15-16 season. Staffs are constantly recruiting for the next class and the ones after that. That ragtag group goes 19-13 with a tourney berth. So, WT turns that into: JaQuori... huge get, averages 10.5/3/2 as true frosh... but of course doesn't stay Stacy... as a transfer... averages about 2 points and 1.5 boards over two years Sanders... added back after not playing the year before... averaged under 1 point in his career Russell... a walk on who never played Kone... 23 games, averaged about 3/3... aslo left after sophomore year Ok... so did I miss anyone. Easy to do as there were many great kids, but nondescript players. So, count GPII on WT's scorecard if you'd like... But, if you are paying attention, you're right. Any coach who recruits like the above list was pretty much doomed his 3rd season when the previous coaches players graduated or left, and one key injury occurs. And... using 2016-17 as the reason for the poor Pac12 record, near .500 overall record. It's only near .500 because the NCSOS (sites used may vary) is pretty low: 2015 #320 (9-4 NC) 2016 #155 (10-4 NC) 2017 #300 (4-10 NC) 2018 #336 (9-5 NC) 2019 #260 (8-5 NC) 2020 #334 (11-2 NC) 2021 #278 (10-3 NC) 2022 #145 (1-7 so far... rating should go "up" with A&M and decently ranked Pac12 teams... best NCSOS in his tenure, worst record) So 114-118/52-78... means he's 62-40 vs a NCSOS averaging #266. But, again we all have our acceptable standards. You often talk about multiple years of recruiting and recruiting or retention errors rather than addressing year 3 of Tinkle's tenure. No GP2, no Robinson recruits outside of N'Diaye, only kids who have been on campus for 13 months or less. Earlier you said Tinkle had a bunch of Robinson leftovers to help in that specific year - he didn't. I'm not talking about Tinkle's overall recruiting and retention, I've been disappointed on the whole with that. The reason year number 3 is significant is you and a few others say it was not an aberration and act as though any other coach would have had a much better result. All I say is that it was an aberration that greatly affected his overall record, that's it. He would have had to have amazing classes year one and two both to have done well that year. As it was, those kids he recruited in those classes are largely responsible for the Beavers finishing 4th in the league when they were juniors and seniors. Tinkle has produced five winning seasons, one .500 season and one losing season (so far, this season does not look encouraging though) in seven years for a school that had produced two winning seasons and two .500 seasons and TWENTY losing seasons in the previous 24 years. This season is all on Tinkle, recruiting/retention/development, all of it. The 2016-2017 season was the result of a bunch of unfortunate circumstances largely beyond Tinkle's control. This season is quite early yet. It doesn't look good, but it's nowhere near over. I expect a losing season. I'm bummed, disappointed, but I'm not into throwing the baby out with the bath water. Last year bought him another year, two losing seasons in a row probably won't. If he's gone after this year or next, he'll still have a better record and almost twice the winning seasons than the previous SIX coaches at OSU had combined over a 25 year period. I'm not saying keep him forever, but even talking about canning a guy who's outperformed everyone else for two and a half decades during one likely bad season that is only one third over seems kind of premature to me. Anyone who thinks of OSU as a bigtime basketball school is quite frankly, likely well over 40 years old and no longer thinks like a 17 year old basketball recruit. It's going to take an amazing hire to change that. Firings are not always guarantees of improving a program. Do ya think there might be some firing remorse at Washington and Stanford since they canned Romar and Dawkins? We'll see how the Krystowiak firing pans out over the next few years. All's i can say is you better be careful what you wish for when making hasty decisions. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 12:35:23 GMT -8
It means this....."Covid greatly affected many opponents more severely than OSU" So, you decided to actually quote not your typical fantasy version of paraphrasing. To that quote, It's been a while, but I believe I read that OSU was one of the least affected teams in the Pac12 in players being sick/player games missed. Of the key players: Hunt 31/33 games, missed 2 for concussion; Calloo 33/33 games Lucas 33/33 ET 33/33 Alatishe 33/33 Zach 33/33 Silva 31/33, 2 games to protcol Andela 32/33, 1 DNP Tucker 29/33, 3 DNP, 1 undisclosed... only played 9 min per Without even researching, I'll stick with my quote! Thx for playing. So previously, you said you didn’t day it and tried to call me out on it. But now, you admit you said it and you’re sticking to it? LOL….. You’re a piece of work |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 18, 2021 12:40:20 GMT -8
I have some questions that perhaps some of you especially those that back the continued employment of WT could answer. 1. Now in the 8th year why is a 52-78 pac12 record acceptable? 2. Why are there only 4 on the current roster that were recruited as freshmen? 3. Why do some compare WT against past bad OSU coaches and in the comparison therefore say WT is a good coach? If students in a certain class got a D- and I got a C- does the comparison make me a stellar student? 4. Why do some use the strength of schedule as an excuse? Perhaps the question should be why aren't we beating these teams? Why are we so far down the totem pole? 5. After 5 seniors leave after this year and likely a few transfers do you think WT will again load up on more transfers or do you think somehow he will be able to actually recruit high school kids? 6. While the elite 8 run was great lets be honest we were damn lucky to make the tournament. 7. I have heard WT has 6 years left on his contract although I am not sure. If this ineptness continues at what point do you buy him out? Especially when some of you have stated that extensions are needed for recruiting purposes? Just a few questions I have at this time. I’ll take #5. First, are there really 5 seniors that will have used up all eligibility (including extra Covid year)? I know Silva is done and possibly Malone-Key (not sure what his situation was at F-D). But I think all others will have additional year if they want, but I well could be wrong. Now whether they choose to take it at OSU or transfer is another question. So it really depends on how many leave. If we see 5+ leave, we’ll likely see more transfers in. It would be difficult to recruit +5 high schoolers unless you knew going into at last this year that they were needed. And new transfers coming in are likely going to be the norm each year. The key is to have at least a balanced recruiting plan, though I’d like to see HS recruits out number transfer recruits each year. The problem arises when you bring in 7 new players and there is only 1 HS recruit among them. I think WT is off to a good start on next year’s class (with the caveat that all I’ve seen is video or read reports). Doesn’t look like either is necessarily an alpha type player, but Bilodeau and the kid from Germany look to be versatile, long players. Just have to hope that this year’s debacle doesn’t scare them off and they make it to campus. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 13:04:10 GMT -8
I have some questions that perhaps some of you especially those that back the continued employment of WT could answer. 1. Now in the 8th year why is a 52-78 pac12 record acceptable? 2. Why are there only 4 on the current roster that were recruited as freshmen? 3. Why do some compare WT against past bad OSU coaches and in the comparison therefore say WT is a good coach? If students in a certain class got a D- and I got a C- does the comparison make me a stellar student? 4. Why do some use the strength of schedule as an excuse? Perhaps the question should be why aren't we beating these teams? Why are we so far down the totem pole? 5. After 5 seniors leave after this year and likely a few transfers do you think WT will again load up on more transfers or do you think somehow he will be able to actually recruit high school kids? 6. While the elite 8 run was great lets be honest we were damn lucky to make the tournament. 7. I have heard WT has 6 years left on his contract although I am not sure. If this ineptness continues at what point do you buy him out? Especially when some of you have stated that extensions are needed for recruiting purposes? Just a few questions I have at this time. You keep harping on #2, but that is the way it is with most rosters in the transfer portal era. Look at other rosters throughout the country. This is not abnormal. This year is pretty much a lost cause, but I would like to see Taylor and Johnson get more minutes. They both have potential, but will be a risk to leave if they’re not playing. |
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Post by beaver94 on Dec 18, 2021 13:08:02 GMT -8
So, you decided to actually quote not your typical fantasy version of paraphrasing. To that quote, It's been a while, but I believe I read that OSU was one of the least affected teams in the Pac12 in players being sick/player games missed. Of the key players: Hunt 31/33 games, missed 2 for concussion; Calloo 33/33 games Lucas 33/33 ET 33/33 Alatishe 33/33 Zach 33/33 Silva 31/33, 2 games to protcol Andela 32/33, 1 DNP Tucker 29/33, 3 DNP, 1 undisclosed... only played 9 min per Without even researching, I'll stick with my quote! Thx for playing. So previously, you said you didn’t day it and tried to call me out on it. But now, you admit you said it and you’re sticking to it? LOL….. You’re a piece of work All while providing an excuse for all the other teams that couldn’t manage to do what OSU did last season. I guess that’s fine just don’t make an excuse for OSU. Every team went through similar protocols last year with Covid. I see it as a positive that OSU managed to get through it with few missed games. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 18, 2021 13:15:33 GMT -8
I have some questions that perhaps some of you especially those that back the continued employment of WT could answer. 1. Now in the 8th year why is a 52-78 pac12 record acceptable? 2. Why are there only 4 on the current roster that were recruited as freshmen? 3. Why do some compare WT against past bad OSU coaches and in the comparison therefore say WT is a good coach? If students in a certain class got a D- and I got a C- does the comparison make me a stellar student? 4. Why do some use the strength of schedule as an excuse? Perhaps the question should be why aren't we beating these teams? Why are we so far down the totem pole? 5. After 5 seniors leave after this year and likely a few transfers do you think WT will again load up on more transfers or do you think somehow he will be able to actually recruit high school kids? 6. While the elite 8 run was great lets be honest we were damn lucky to make the tournament. 7. I have heard WT has 6 years left on his contract although I am not sure. If this ineptness continues at what point do you buy him out? Especially when some of you have stated that extensions are needed for recruiting purposes? Just a few questions I have at this time. You keep harping on #2, but that is the way it is with most rosters in the transfer portal era. Look at other rosters throughout the country. This is not abnormal. This year is pretty much a lost cause, but I would like to see Taylor and Johnson get more minutes. They both have potential, but will be a risk to leave if they’re not playing. I haven't done any research but I think I'm pretty safe to say there are very few teams that have 4 or less on the roster that began as high school recruits. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 13:25:11 GMT -8
You keep harping on #2, but that is the way it is with most rosters in the transfer portal era. Look at other rosters throughout the country. This is not abnormal. This year is pretty much a lost cause, but I would like to see Taylor and Johnson get more minutes. They both have potential, but will be a risk to leave if they’re not playing. I haven't done any research but I think I'm pretty safe to say there are very few teams that have 4 or less on the roster that began as high school recruits. Maybe you should. You’d be surprised. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 18, 2021 13:52:19 GMT -8
I haven't done any research but I think I'm pretty safe to say there are very few teams that have 4 or less on the roster that began as high school recruits. Maybe you should. You’d be surprised. The transfer portal only been around for a couple of years. So I doubt I'd be surprised. I also doubt there are this many transfers on a team that has the same coach for now 7 plus years. It's because HE CANT RECRUIT HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS AND APPARENTLY DOES A CRAPPY JOB RECRUITING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL TOO. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 13:54:18 GMT -8
Maybe you should. You’d be surprised. The transfer portal only been around for a couple of years. So I doubt I'd be surprised. I also doubt there are this many transfers on a team that has the same coach for now 7 plus years. It's because HE CANT RECRUIT HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS AND APPARENTLY DOES A CRAPPY JOB RECRUITING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL TOO. Have you looked at uo’s roster for the past several years? It was happening before the transfer portal. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 18, 2021 13:57:42 GMT -8
The transfer portal only been around for a couple of years. So I doubt I'd be surprised. I also doubt there are this many transfers on a team that has the same coach for now 7 plus years. It's because HE CANT RECRUIT HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS AND APPARENTLY DOES A CRAPPY JOB RECRUITING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL TOO. Have you looked at uo’s roster for the past several years? It was happening before the transfer portal. UO actually has a coach. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 18, 2021 13:58:47 GMT -8
Have you looked at uo’s roster for the past several years? It was happening before the transfer portal. UO actually has a coach. Not the point I was making, but so do we. |
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