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Post by shelby on Dec 20, 2021 9:43:14 GMT -8
I wanted to see more minutes for AJ . She has the.ability to hit the three and to defend and rebound as well. One thing that was out of sync(again), last night, was with the entry passes to Brown. I think that it was TVO each time , but the ball comes in too high and with too much pace.. turnover instead of easy points !
I know they were a small team, but I loved the defense all night ( blocks, and rebounding ).
Go Beavers !
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 20, 2021 9:43:32 GMT -8
Did you ever seriously think we were in danger of losing? Basketball is a game of runs - one team starts making a few shots, the other team goes cold. Then, a little bit later, it's reversed. Generally, we had a double digit lead most of the way, and we answered their runs. Held them to 34.4% shooting, outboarded them by 9 (in spite of them getting a bunch of offensive rebounds on long caroms off the rim), and blocked 9 of their shots. If we played them again, it would be the same story. Maybe a few of our good looking 3's go in instead of popping out, and we beat them by 20. If we played them a 3rd, 4th, and 5th time, we'd beat them by double digits then too. Yes, indeed, they were overmatched. Yes, we were in danger of losing. UNI is ranked much higher and is statistically better in almost all ways than Villanova and we lost to Villanova. So why couldn't we lose to UNI? Indeed, prior to the game Beavs 'could' have lost.....and Yes, UNI made some 'runs' in the 2nd half, but as others have mentioned that is the nature of the game. I thought Oregon State clearly was the superior team (on Sunday). Defensive intensity, especially in 1st half, very effectively disrupted the UNI offense. UNI shot 31% in the 1st half. Largest lead by UNI = 2 (first score of game). Largest OSU lead was 17...and with 1 minute left in game, the lead was 15. Regarding Villanova, their 'ranking' is very much in flux. Their best player missed almost a month and only came back 3 days prior to their game with OSU. When the Beavers played them, Siegrist played 39 minutes and scored 28 points. That was coming off of a 36 point performance in her first game back - a few days before. The OSU starting lineup (with Tea/Talia at PG/SG respectively) is a brand new scenario, with just 2 games under their belt. Maybe it's still not settled (?), though I'd be surprised if that wasn't the backcourt pairing at 7 pm on Dec. 31. |
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Post by beavheart on Dec 20, 2021 10:04:11 GMT -8
Just checked the latest "Bracketology" on ESPN. OSU not even in consideration for the post season at this point.
Are there really 64 teams better than the Beavs that we aren't even a bubble team? SEC with 10 teams in the post season! 10 of 14. The Pac12 gets 6. You know, because the SEC keeps proving that it is better than the Pac12, because??? This keeps happening. Year, after year, after year, after....
ESPN is literally the worst thing to happen to college sports and the best thing that has ever happened to the SEC. What an absolute joke.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 20, 2021 10:07:00 GMT -8
Just checked the latest "Bracketology" on ESPN. OSU not even in consideration for the post season at this point. Are there really 64 teams better than the Beavs that we aren't even a bubble team? SEC with 10 teams in the post season! 10 of 14. The Pac12 gets 6. You know, because the SEC keeps proving that it is better than the Pac12, because??? This keeps happening. Year, after year, after year, after.... ESPN is literally the worst thing to happen to college sports and the best thing that has ever happened to the SEC. What an absolute joke. You sound upset. |
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Post by beavheart on Dec 20, 2021 10:15:42 GMT -8
Just checked the latest "Bracketology" on ESPN. OSU not even in consideration for the post season at this point. Are there really 64 teams better than the Beavs that we aren't even a bubble team? SEC with 10 teams in the post season! 10 of 14. The Pac12 gets 6. You know, because the SEC keeps proving that it is better than the Pac12, because??? This keeps happening. Year, after year, after year, after.... ESPN is literally the worst thing to happen to college sports and the best thing that has ever happened to the SEC. What an absolute joke. You sound upset. Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 20, 2021 11:32:10 GMT -8
SEC over representation in wbb is nothing compared to softball and baseball. I get the angst though.
The Beavs being not even on the bubble at this point is really a separate issue I think. They'll have many chances for quality wins in conference, but honestly at this point do the Beavs have a Tourney worthy resume? I don't see it. Wins over Cal Baptist and Northern Iowa aren't enough. Needed to get one against either Michigan or Notre Dame.
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 20, 2021 11:48:22 GMT -8
SEC over representation in wbb is nothing compared to softball and baseball. I get the angst though. The Beavs being not even on the bubble at this point is really a separate issue I think. They'll have many chances for quality wins in conference, but honestly at this point do the Beavs have a Tourney worthy resume? I don't see it. Wins over Cal Baptist and Northern Iowa aren't enough. Needed to get one against either Michigan or Notre Dame. If they had shot 6/19 from '3' against Norte Dame, instead of 5-19 that criteria would have been met. Certainly you're correct, MANY opportunities for quality win(s) lie ahead. Starting Dec. 31 / Jan. 2 against Utah and Colorado. ESPN today: Colorado "in" / Utah "1st four out". A few 'keys': Talia getting more in 'synch'; Greta continuing on her current trajectory; Guard duo of Adams/TVO 'proves out' |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 20, 2021 12:07:22 GMT -8
Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. Honestly, no I'm not upset about OSU Women's Basketball. I watch it for enjoyment, not for agitation. The Beavs are a young team that is still growing into their roles. Maybe not as fast as some were expecting, but I'm excited to see how the season turns out. Am I worried over some December media prognostication? Not in the least. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 20, 2021 12:50:40 GMT -8
Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. Honestly, no I'm not upset about OSU Women's Basketball. I watch it for enjoyment, not for agitation. The Beavs are a young team that is still growing into their roles. Maybe not as fast as some were expecting, but I'm excited to see how the season turns out. Am I worried over some December media prognostication? Not in the least. And to be honest it really is a rebuilding year. This program is another two years out from challenging for a Pac-12 championship. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 20, 2021 12:55:38 GMT -8
Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. The SEC performs bottom line. Everyone complains about it but who is there at the end and who backs that up in post season play. See the same arguments in the softball forums. As for football the Pac-12 is not favored to win anymore bowl games this year and the SEC is favored in all of there bowl games. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 20, 2021 13:28:03 GMT -8
Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. The SEC performs bottom line. Everyone complains about it but who is there at the end and who backs that up in post season play. See the same arguments in the softball forums. As for football the Pac-12 is not favored to win anymore bowl games this year and the SEC is favored in all of there bowl games.
Other than South Carolina the SEC flopped HARD in the '21 wbb Tourney. They had 2 #3 and and a #4 seed taken out in the 2nd round. A #4 seed lost in the 1st round, and a #1 seed lost in the third round. And most of the losses were blowouts. They spectacularly failed last season. With 6 teams seeded #4 or higher, they had one get to the Sweet 16 and one to the Final 4. That ain't much.
So no, the SEC does not perform bottom line. You've bought in to what ESPN is selling, but it's not based on facts.
I'd say they underperformed in softball as well, considering how many teams they got in and how many were seeded or hosted (pretty unfair they had an unseeded team get to host).
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Post by sparty on Dec 20, 2021 15:02:59 GMT -8
The SEC performs bottom line. Everyone complains about it but who is there at the end and who backs that up in post season play. See the same arguments in the softball forums. As for football the Pac-12 is not favored to win anymore bowl games this year and the SEC is favored in all of there bowl games.
Other than South Carolina the SEC flopped HARD in the '21 wbb Tourney. They had 2 #3 and and a #4 seed taken out in the 2nd round. A #4 seed lost in the 1st round, and a #1 seed lost in the third round. And most of the losses were blowouts. They spectacularly failed last season. With 6 teams seeded #4 or higher, they had one get to the Sweet 16 and one to the Final 4. That ain't much.
So no, the SEC does not perform bottom line. You've bought in to what ESPN is selling, but it's not based on facts.
I'd say they underperformed in softball as well, considering how many teams they got in and how many were seeded or hosted (pretty unfair they had an unseeded team get to host).
Well I think you are going to be disappointed with the Pac-12 this year because so far as a whole the conference is under performing in WBB. I just have to have proof that the NCAA and ESPN are in some sort of secret alliance. They problem in the pac-12 across most sports is the upper half is strong and the bottom end is real weak. I wonder why the mountain west conference dominates the Pac-12 in football. Some hate that the PAC-12 get picked on but only a few of the members have the $$$ that most SEC schools have. We have more have nots. Money talks I guess. |
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 20, 2021 15:54:28 GMT -8
Yeah, you're not? You just fine with our Beavs staying home this year while SEC 6 through 10 get ushered to the door in the first round once again? I think I've had about enough of this SEC "superiority" that is largely a product of the ESPN noise machine. Everyone pretty much recognizes that there is WAY more parity in WBB today than there was, even just 6 or 8 years ago. YET, there sits the SEC still flooding the post season with way more teams than any other conference. Why? Are they running away with it year after year? NO THEY ARE NOT! So, why? ESPN is the only thing supporting this nonsense as far as I can tell. Honestly, no I'm not upset about OSU Women's Basketball. I watch it for enjoyment, not for agitation. The Beavs are a young team that is still growing into their roles. Maybe not as fast as some were expecting, but I'm excited to see how the season turns out. Am I worried over some December media prognostication? Not in the least. Watching college, or even professional, sports can be enjoyable (imho) - I know, I'm being subjective! My take: If anyone is going to get upset based on performance on the court, or the field, it should be the coaches and the players. The 'real' world is tough enough that us simple fans deserve a few hours per week of enjoyment to watch the success, the improvements, the mistakes, the failures, etc. of these young folks as they do their best function as a team. The coaches and players are the only ones that are responsible for creating whatever will be. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Dec 20, 2021 16:11:39 GMT -8
Other than South Carolina the SEC flopped HARD in the '21 wbb Tourney. They had 2 #3 and and a #4 seed taken out in the 2nd round. A #4 seed lost in the 1st round, and a #1 seed lost in the third round. And most of the losses were blowouts. They spectacularly failed last season. With 6 teams seeded #4 or higher, they had one get to the Sweet 16 and one to the Final 4. That ain't much.
So no, the SEC does not perform bottom line. You've bought in to what ESPN is selling, but it's not based on facts.
I'd say they underperformed in softball as well, considering how many teams they got in and how many were seeded or hosted (pretty unfair they had an unseeded team get to host).
Well I think you are going to be disappointed with the Pac-12 this year because so far as a whole the conference is under performing in WBB. I just have to have proof that the NCAA and ESPN are in some sort of secret alliance. They problem in the pac-12 across most sports is the upper half is strong and the bottom end is real weak. I wonder why the mountain west conference dominates the Pac-12 in football. Some hate that the PAC-12 get picked on but only a few of the members have the $$$ that most SEC schools have. We have more have nots. Money talks I guess. I've already been disappointed by Pac 12 women's hoops this year. Maybe they can turn it around by March. But hey Big 10 was getting most of the hype this year and they haven't exactly lived up to it either. Got their clocks cleaned in the ACC-Big 10 Challenge, that wasn't supposed to happen. Whatever struggles they've had, Stanford has beaten Maryland and Indiana, probably the top 2 teams from the B1G, so they have that going for them. And Arizona handed Louisville their only loss of the season so far.
This is a huge topic that could derail the thread, so I won't dive any deeper into it.
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Post by escott58 on Dec 20, 2021 16:15:58 GMT -8
Honestly, no I'm not upset about OSU Women's Basketball. I watch it for enjoyment, not for agitation. The Beavs are a young team that is still growing into their roles. Maybe not as fast as some were expecting, but I'm excited to see how the season turns out. Am I worried over some December media prognostication? Not in the least. Watching college, or even professional, sports can be enjoyable (imho) - I know, I'm being subjective! My take: If anyone is going to get upset based on performance on the court, or the field, it should be the coaches and the players. The 'real' world is tough enough that us simple fans deserve a few hours per week of enjoyment to watch the success, the improvements, the mistakes, the failures, etc. of these young folks as they do their best function as a team. The coaches and players are the only ones that are responsible for creating whatever will be. I started watching WBB when SR took over. Back then, I was thrilled to see a close game and double-thrilled if we won. There were only hopeful expectations of year-by-year improvement with no dread of underachievement. It's harder to watch nowadays when there are periods of drought in scoring or the other team pulls ahead. Perhaps my expectations get carried away, and I need to settle down and watch the "youngsters" come into their own. That's part of the fun and joy of following a team. |
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