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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -8
Tinkle himself said that he obviously hasn't done a good enough job getting the team to play together. I think it's a big adjustment going from having transfers being role players to having the new guys be the go-to players. As much as everyone wants Alatishe to be that guy, I don't think he hast the type of offensive game where you run offense through him, or can dump it into him late in the shot clock and expect a bucket.
As good as Silva was during the postseason last year, he's been equally as frustrating to start the season. He should have a size advantage on just about everyone and he doesn't seem to be able to capitalize on it on either side of the floor. Gianni continues to show flashes of brilliance and flashes of incompetence. I thought he did a masterful job late in the game yesterday playing under control, running the offense perfectly for some easy looks and getting some big defensive stops....and then in the last minute he airballs a midrange jumper and airmails a pass to Davis that threw off the entire final possession.
The guys play hard, and I'll withhold judgement on the season until we establish a rotation. We are currently 264th in the country in 3% and 338th in FT%. I'd expect those numbers to rise throughout the year and the wins to come with it. Also agree with whomever it was that said we can't play 12 guys a game. A few people are gonna get squeezed out. We're still trying to figure out who plays well with whom, which isn't totally surprising given the influx of new talent. I don't think there's any question this team is more talented top to bottom than last years, but I still don't think you can be successful playing 12 guys every game. Eventually we'll get down to 8 or 9 guys that are getting consistent minutes and things will improve.
Also, if I hear one more person talk about "accepting mediocrity" I'm going to lose it. I'm not happy about losing three winnable games in a row. Nobody should be. But there's a difference between not being happy and "f*cking blow it up!" every time we hit a rough patch. After literal DECADES of not having a chance at the NCAA tournament, Tinkle's gotten us there twice in six seasons.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 19, 2021 9:32:14 GMT -8
A coach has two major responsibilities: the x and o of the game and recruiting. Tinkle hasn't done a good job on either. At this point in his tenure he should have 3 players at each class that started as freshman. He has one senior, two juniors, one sophomore, and one freshman. That is terrible.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 9:34:46 GMT -8
I don’t think that. Just don’t think Miller was as great as everyone else does. He was a great regular season coach that lost in the first round of the Tourney every year. If message boards existed back then, we would have had people wanting him fired since there were higher expectations then. How many teams were in the NCAA Tourney in those years? It was like losing in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. I would take that. Really? 1975 we beat MTSU and then lost to Indiana before following that up with a loss to CMU in the regional 3rd place game 1980 we were a 2 seed in the west and lost to 10 seed Lamar 1981 we were a 1 seed in the west and lost to 8 seed Kansas State 1982 we were a 2 seed in the west and beat Pepperdine and Idaho before losing to Georgetown (the 1 seed) 1984 we were a 6 seed and lost to 11 seed West Virginia 1985 we are a 10 seed and lost to 7 seed Notre Dame 1988 we were a 12 seed and lost to 5 seed Louisville 1989 we were a 6 seed and lost to 11 seed Evansville. Ralph's only NCAA tourney wins were against Middle Tennessee St., Lamar, Pepperdine, and Idaho. He also lost 4 games against teams he was ranked higher than. Ralph is an all time great coach, but 100% the message boards would've been all over him for not being able to win the big game and wondering if it was time to move on.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:37:29 GMT -8
A coach has two major redpobsinilites: the x and o of the game and recruiting. Tinkle hasn't done a good job on either. At this point in his tenure he should have 3 players at each class that started as freshman. He has one senior, two juniors, one sophomore, and one freshman. That is terrible. Look at the other Power 5 teams. This is not the way it works anymore. With the transfer portal, kids rarely stay for 4 years at a major program. Other kids move on if they're good enough to play professionally. This is why there are so many upsets in the tournament by mid-majors. Some of these schools actually get their under recruited players to stay for 3-4 years together and they win with experience over more talented power 5 teams. There is basically free agency in today's college basketball.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 19, 2021 9:39:52 GMT -8
Maybe the message boards would be all over him in today's world. But Raloh wouldn't have lost to Iowa state, Tulsa, and Samford even with the current talent. And that's a fact. In year 8 everyone should demand better much better.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:40:43 GMT -8
How many teams were in the NCAA Tourney in those years? It was like losing in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. I would take that. Really? 1975 we beat MTSU and then lost to Indiana before following that up with a loss to CMU in the regional 3rd place game 1980 we were a 2 seed in the west and lost to 10 seed Lamar 1981 we were a 1 seed in the west and lost to 8 seed Kansas State 1982 we were a 2 seed in the west and beat Pepperdine and Idaho before losing to Georgetown (the 1 seed) 1984 we were a 6 seed and lost to 11 seed West Virginia 1985 we are a 10 seed and lost to 7 seed Notre Dame 1988 we were a 12 seed and lost to 5 seed Louisville 1989 we were a 6 seed and lost to 11 seed Evansville. Ralph's only NCAA tourney wins were against Middle Tennessee St., Lamar, Pepperdine, and Idaho. He also lost 4 games against teams he was ranked higher than. Ralph is an all time great coach, but 100% the message boards would've been all over him for not being able to win the big game and wondering if it was time to move on. Yep, forgot we won a game in '75 and then lost 2. So Ralph had 3 wins in the tournament and 2 of them were vacated. 9 losses, although some of those were vacated as well.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 9:44:10 GMT -8
A coach has two major responsibilities: the x and o of the game and recruiting. Tinkle hasn't done a good job on either. At this point in his tenure he should have 3 players at each class that started as freshman. He has one senior, two juniors, one sophomore, and one freshman. That is terrible. This is objectively insane. Oregon's starting 3 seniors and 2 juniors. Washington State is starting 1 freshman. Washington is starting 4 seniors and a junior. You know who starts freshmen? Teams with one and done level guys, or guys taking over terrible programs.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 19, 2021 9:47:21 GMT -8
Funny some are ridiculing Ralph for not winning in the tourney. How about the current guy recruit and then mold those recruits into a team. Maybe Ralph wasn't real successful in the win/loss of the tourney but he could recruit and mold a team and somehow won 600 games and was inducted into the basketball hall of fame. But to justify tinkles inadequacies you got to try and tear something down.
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 19, 2021 9:48:47 GMT -8
A coach has two major responsibilities: the x and o of the game and recruiting. Tinkle hasn't done a good job on either. At this point in his tenure he should have 3 players at each class that started as freshman. He has one senior, two juniors, one sophomore, and one freshman. That is terrible. This is objectively insane. Oregon's starting 3 seniors and 2 juniors. Washington State is starting 1 freshman. Washington is starting 4 seniors and a junior. You know who starts freshmen? Teams with one and done level guys, or guys taking over terrible programs. I was commenting on who should be on the roster not who is starting.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:49:15 GMT -8
Maybe the message boards would be all over him in today's world. But Raloh wouldn't have lost to Iowa state, Tulsa, and Samford even with the current talent. And that's a fact. In year 8 everyone should demand better much better. The '82 team that went to the Elite 8 lost to Portland and got blown out by Idaho. Ralph had his share of bad losses.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:51:23 GMT -8
Funny some are ridiculing Ralph for not winning in the tourney. How about the current guy recruit and then mold those recruits into a team. Maybe Ralph wasn't real successful in the win/loss of the tourney but he could recruit and mold a team and somehow won 600 games and was inducted into the basketball hall of fame. But to justify tinkles inadequacies you got to try and tear something down. You mean like last year when we went to the Elite 8. Sorry, that was inadequate for you. I guess a good coach should have won it all. You can hate on Tinkle all you want. But with last year, even if they tank this year, he's going to be here two more years at least. So, that'll give you plenty of time to complain.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 19, 2021 9:52:07 GMT -8
I don’t think that. Just don’t think Miller was as great as everyone else does. He was a great regular season coach that lost in the first round of the Tourney every year. If message boards existed back then, we would have had people wanting him fired since there were higher expectations then. How many teams were in the NCAA Tourney in those years? It was like losing in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. I would take that. Plus, back then some teams got first round byes. You can argue whether that helped or hurt those teams getting byes. I think with the condensed fields compared to now, it could certainly be a disadvantage. I certainly have an opinion, but the argument about who was a better coach is really kind of silly. They’re not coaching against each other. Tinkle doesn’t have to be better or worse than Miller, he needs to be better than the guys he’s coaching against. I will say one more thing about the two of them. Tinkle’s Beavers have gone to a post-season tournament twice in 7 years. Miller’s Beavers only went to 1 post-season tournament in his first 7 years. However, if tournament fields were as large back then as they are now, he would have had at least two additional tournament teams in that span. And, of course, Miller’s Beavers made a post-season tourney 10 of his last 11 years as coach.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 9:52:48 GMT -8
This is objectively insane. Oregon's starting 3 seniors and 2 juniors. Washington State is starting 1 freshman. Washington is starting 4 seniors and a junior. You know who starts freshmen? Teams with one and done level guys, or guys taking over terrible programs. I was commenting on who should be on the roster not who is starting. I read "started as freshmen" and thought you meant starting the basketball games. My bad.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 9:54:29 GMT -8
Maybe the message boards would be all over him in today's world. But Raloh wouldn't have lost to Iowa state, Tulsa, and Samford even with the current talent. And that's a fact. In year 8 everyone should demand better much better. There's a reason he's in the hall of fame. You can't expect every coach at OSU to be hall of fame caliber.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:55:55 GMT -8
Maybe the message boards would be all over him in today's world. But Raloh wouldn't have lost to Iowa state, Tulsa, and Samford even with the current talent. And that's a fact. In year 8 everyone should demand better much better. There's a reason he's in the hall of fame. You can't expect every coach at OSU to be hall of fame caliber. No, but you can accept that every coach we hire is going to be mired in mediocrity. LOL
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