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Post by rgeorge on Nov 19, 2021 0:41:28 GMT -8
My main issue with WT from day 1 is that he can't recruit. This roster is a bunch of vagabonds with ONE true scholarship frosh.
Secondly, WT doesn't seem to be a top notch teacher/X's & O's guy. Adequate? Yeah, I'm thinking so. But, adequate doesn't work when you have to bring 4,5,6 JC transfers every year. OSU is basically starting at ground zero every season because he/his staff can't recruit decent freshman and develop them. And, the three on the roster that have been here from day 1 as frosh are very limited. Hunt a backup PG type at best, but plays hard and had some great short stints. Johnson never sees the court. Lucas... well, he's the worst "great" shooter I've ever seen. I just can't fathom how announcers can look at his stats and proclaim he's a great shooter. In fact if I'm not mistaken late in Pac12 play last year he was last in 2pt FG %. He finished at 36%. He's never shot 40% for a season. And, let's not mention his D (is Calloo worse? Cuz the basic stack inbounds was it those two? Lucas actually helping set like double screen?)
It's like there is no longer an OSU basketball legacy being built. No Srs started their career at OSU. Hunt and Lucas the only Jrs. Johnson the only Soph. And, Taylor the only Frosh.
Other schools may live and die on the portal. But, WT really doesn't hit paydirt there. Only Davis was a highly productive player coming in.
As for last season, hey it's a Pac12 tourney title and an E8. That happens almost every year in the tourney. A team that shouldn't, makes an unexpected run. And I'm glad it was OSU.
But... it's last season and one that has the biggest asterisk of all. And, doesn't change the above mentioned inadequacies. Although, like last year I'm also sure OSU won't finish 12th.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 19, 2021 4:31:45 GMT -8
Who was it that took the ball out for Beavs on that final out of bounds play?
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 6:04:11 GMT -8
No he doesn’t. 1982 was vacated. Try again. That doesn’t matter in real life, especially to those of us that saw it. And you know that btw! Even if you count that year, Ralph was 2-7 in Tourney games. Tinkle is 3-2. Mediocrity!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 6:14:35 GMT -8
My main issue with WT from day 1 is that he can't recruit. This roster is a bunch of vagabonds with ONE true scholarship frosh. Secondly, WT doesn't seem to be a top notch teacher/X's & O's guy. Adequate? Yeah, I'm thinking so. But, adequate doesn't work when you have to bring 4,5,6 JC transfers every year. OSU is basically starting at ground zero every season because he/his staff can't recruit decent freshman and develop them. And, the three on the roster that have been here from day 1 as frosh are very limited. Hunt a backup PG type at best, but plays hard and had some great short stints. Johnson never sees the court. Lucas... well, he's the worst "great" shooter I've ever seen. I just can't fathom how announcers can look at his stats and proclaim he's a great shooter. In fact if I'm not mistaken late in Pac12 play last year he was last in 2pt FG %. He finished at 36%. He's never shot 40% for a season. And, let's not mention his D (is Calloo worse? Cuz the basic stack inbounds was it those two? Lucas actually helping set like double screen?) It's like there is no longer an OSU basketball legacy being built. No Srs started their career at OSU. Hunt and Lucas the only Jrs. Johnson the only Soph. And, Taylor the only Frosh. Other schools may live and die on the portal. But, WT really doesn't hit paydirt there. Only Davis was a highly productive player coming in. As for last season, hey it's a Pac12 tourney title and an E8. That happens almost every year in the tourney. A team that shouldn't, makes an unexpected run. And I'm glad it was OSU. But... it's last season and one that has the biggest asterisk of all. And, doesn't change the above mentioned inadequacies. Although, like last year I'm also sure OSU won't finish 12th. Asterisk? You can call it a fluke if you want, but we didn’t cheat and it happened. Should we put an asterisk on the Fiesta Bowl year?
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Post by alwaysorange on Nov 19, 2021 6:37:13 GMT -8
Hey Judge you are losing credibility when you somehow for some reason think tinkle is a better coach than miller.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 7:12:44 GMT -8
Hey Judge you are losing credibility when you somehow for some reason think tinkle is a better coach than miller. I don’t think that. Just don’t think Miller was as great as everyone else does. He was a great regular season coach that lost in the first round of the Tourney every year. If message boards existed back then, we would have had people wanting him fired since there were higher expectations then.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 19, 2021 7:28:49 GMT -8
Demoralizing loss. I mean two boneheaded TO's for Samford and we couldn't find a way to pull it out? Our two inbounds possessions were garbage! How do you not get a better look at the basket on at least one of those?
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 19, 2021 7:57:38 GMT -8
This was the first game that I watched in almost its entirety. Obviously outcome was not good nor was defense for the most part. But I will say that this was the first game the Beavers actually defended themselves after getting punched in the nose. Didn’t quite punch back, but I finally saw some things I liked.
Davis looked the part of a PG — effectively probing the defense and making things happen on offense. One of the issues I’ve had with Hunt is he often doesn’t use his dribble as a weapon, seemingly fine with just dribbling on the perimeter. That wasn’t the case with Davis last nigh. And I’m not sure if it was seeing Davis’s success or not, but in stretches Hunt looked better at instigating the offense.
Alitishe looked much better with Davis in there. Looked like he didn’t feel like he had to create his own offense, and got his shots more in the rhythm of the offense. Rand looked great. He’s still raw offensively, but I was impressed with his hands. Taylor also looked the part in spurts. If nothing else he brings some energy, especially on the defensive side. Andela didn’t get much tick, but looked fine. He’ll still have an important role going forward.
And then the bad. Calloo and Lucas are what they are. They can be fun to watch shoot, but if they aren’t getting it done on offense at a high level then right now they’re a detriment to the team. Neither can play defense and Calloo’s rebounding effort seems dependent on whether he’s shooting well or not. And hopefully Taylor can continue to contribute and develop because thus far Williams, Akanno and Malone-Key have offered very little.
This slow start has been frustrating and potentially lethal to any postseason ambitions. I get that the team needs time to gel with all the new pieces, but all three of the teams the Beavers lost to had a large influx of newcomers. And though I haven’t checked, I’m guessing none of those teams had as much as the Beavers as far as returning production. Outside of another conference tourney championship, this team probably needs to sweep the rest of its nonconference slate and finish .500 in conference to have a shot at going back to NCAA tourney. If the do lose any more noncon games, they likely need the same number of additional conference wins. I’m certainly looking forward to see what adjustments WT makes for the Princeton game as far as personnel. There are some things to build on, just need to see if WT and staff can do that.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 8:03:48 GMT -8
Well, talk about going out with a whimper! Basically handed 2! chances to win on a silver platter and that’s it? That is disappointing. Yeah those last few calls towards the end of the game were blatantly made with orange colored glasses by the ref’s.....and we still couldn’t get a win. Alatishe and Rand kept us in the game but our defense was as weak as I have seen it in a few years.....simple back door play gives Samford the lead at the end (Calloo of course watching it). The second travelling call was borderline. But the first one is travelling anywhere. Can't run the baseline on a dead ball inbounds pass. Their player was even laughing about doing that.
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Post by green85 on Nov 19, 2021 8:26:27 GMT -8
Jeez. We are only 3+ games into the season. Did last season teach us nothing?.. Let the season play out a bit.. have some patience Well, 4 games into the season, we've guaranteed ourselves the the only way we make the NCAA tournament is to win the Pac-12 tournament, as our NET score is now buried. Maybe we'll make a conference tourney run again, but that's a very tall order - and we'll need to finish higher in the conference this year to avoid a 4th game as UA isn't ineligible for the postseason this year. These games matter if you have any postseason aspirations via at an at-large berth. I thought we had turned a corner last season where we learned how to win games, and we are instead losing in a variety of ways. Tonight was perhaps the most disappointing in that the defense went missing. 13/16 players on this roster are upperclassmen including 5 seniors; at this point in their careers, I wouldn't think they'd need any coaching to find ways to win the games played to date. Someone needs to step up and decide this isn't how their last(s) year is going to go down. 4 games in - a bit early to project the season results. Defense gives your team an opportunity to win - putting the ball in the hoop is required to actually get the win. Coach Tinkle and staff can get the team to play better - they did it last year. Upper classmen typically are highly motivated to win - I agree that OSU needs one or more of these seniors to become leaders. 12-8 in regular season conference + 2 wins in Pac12 Tourney is probably enough for OSU to be in the NCAA Tournament in March.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 19, 2021 8:39:52 GMT -8
Well, talk about going out with a whimper! Basically handed 2! chances to win on a silver platter and that’s it? That is disappointing. Yeah those last few calls towards the end of the game were blatantly made with orange colored glasses by the ref’s.....and we still couldn’t get a win. Alatishe and Rand kept us in the game but our defense was as weak as I have seen it in a few years.....simple back door play gives Samford the lead at the end (Calloo of course watching it). This was not Calloo's fault at all. Lucas' guy screened him, Lucas provided no way for Calloo to get through the screen, and did absolutely nothing to slow down the guy so Calloo could recover. Lamar Hurd even said on the replay that's an automatic "switch all screens" situation when the shot clock is running out on an inbounds play like that.
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Post by aicandme on Nov 19, 2021 8:49:35 GMT -8
Who was it that took the ball out for Beavs on that final out of bounds play? Hunt was the one with the terrible inbounds pass
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 19, 2021 9:03:09 GMT -8
Hey Judge you are losing credibility when you somehow for some reason think tinkle is a better coach than miller. I don’t think that. Just don’t think Miller was as great as everyone else does. He was a great regular season coach that lost in the first round of the Tourney every year. If message boards existed back then, we would have had people wanting him fired since there were higher expectations then. How many teams were in the NCAA Tourney in those years? It was like losing in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. I would take that.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:15:18 GMT -8
I don’t think that. Just don’t think Miller was as great as everyone else does. He was a great regular season coach that lost in the first round of the Tourney every year. If message boards existed back then, we would have had people wanting him fired since there were higher expectations then. How many teams were in the NCAA Tourney in those years? It was like losing in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. I would take that. 32 from '75 to '85, 64 for the remainder of Ralph's career here. He still lost the 1st game all of those years. He won his 2 games to get to the Elite 8 in 1982....those were later vacated.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 19, 2021 9:16:09 GMT -8
This was not Calloo's fault at all. Lucas' guy screened him, Lucas provided no way for Calloo to get through the screen, and did absolutely nothing to slow down the guy so Calloo could recover. Lamar Hurd even said on the replay that's an automatic "switch all screens" situation when the shot clock is running out on an inbounds play like that. I didn't watch the game, did Lamar work the broadcast? I thought he was still the color guy for Blazer games, I wouldn't have thought he'd still do college games too. He's still going the occasional Pac-12 game and he wants to do Beav games, so he does them when he's available.
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