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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 16:34:20 GMT -8
I got a feeling if the team was standing on the sideline during the anthem people would gripe if a player was looking into the crowd, scratching their arm, not putting their hand over their heart, smiling, looking solemn, having their eyes shut. Etc...If some body wants to find something to gripe about that somebody will.
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 16:42:47 GMT -8
The football teams are on the field roughly a half hour before kickoff warming up. Then the team leaves and the band enters for their pregame playing. They are on the field for maybe 15 minutes including the anthem. Then the team's reenter the field for the start of the game. Do you expect the teams to sit on the sidelines for 15 minutes as the band plays their pregame stuff? In the scenario you describe, it is an established procedure that the marching band will perform on the field well before kickoff, that said performance will last for about 15 minutes, and will conclude with the playing of the anthem. The respective coaching staffs use the interlude for last minute meetings and instructions in the locker room. That's fine. If, however, they allowed their teams to stand around on the sideline to listen to the band play, "Oh, Susanna" and "Camptown Races", or to watch the tuba player dot the i in Ohio, and then had them scurry into the tunnel just prior to the anthem, that would be a blatant show of disrespect, would it not? You mean the coaches, players, and staff can hear the anthem in the locker room and they aren't standing at attention. How dare they. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 17:04:50 GMT -8
The football teams are on the field roughly a half hour before kickoff warming up. Then the team leaves and the band enters for their pregame playing. They are on the field for maybe 15 minutes including the anthem. Then the team's reenter the field for the start of the game. Do you expect the teams to sit on the sidelines for 15 minutes as the band plays their pregame stuff? In the scenario you describe, it is an established procedure that the marching band will perform on the field well before kickoff, that said performance will last for about 15 minutes, and will conclude with the playing of the anthem. The respective coaching staffs use the interlude for last minute meetings and instructions in the locker room. That's fine. If, however, they allowed their teams to stand around on the sideline to listen to the band play, "Oh, Susanna" and "Camptown Races", or to watch the tuba player dot the i in Ohio, and then had them scurry into the tunnel just prior to the anthem, that would be a blatant show of disrespect, would it not? Not into hypotheticals. Is that what actually happened - with the LMU team alone on the court during the anthem? I have a hard time imagining that. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 17:05:21 GMT -8
That's more than a little bit ludicrous. If you're inside a venue where the anthem is being played, you should respect it. If you're outside that venue, then it's not any more inappropriate to continue what you were doing than than to not stand when the President enters a room on TV that you're watching rather than a room you're sitting in. If you attend a wedding, you stand when thy play the wedding march and the bride enters; if you live across the street from the church and you're washing your car but can hear it, you continue washing your car.
Respect, politeness, manners - these are pretty basic things that you should have started to learn somewhere around 3rd grade. The fellow on the sideline scratching his arm during the playing of the anthem? I'd assume he wasn't raised very well, but his actions would reflect badly on only himself, not his coaching staff and/or the university.
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 17:14:08 GMT -8
That's more than a little bit ludicrous. If you're inside a venue where the anthem is being played, you should respect it. If you're outside that venue, then it's not any more inappropriate to continue what you were doing than than to not stand when the President enters a room on TV that you're watching rather than a room you're sitting in. If you attend a wedding, you stand when thy play the wedding march and the bride enters; if you live across the street from the church and you're washing your car but can hear it, you continue washing your car. Respect, politeness, manners - these are pretty basic things that you should have started to learn somewhere around 3rd grade. The fellow on the sideline scratching his arm during the playing of the anthem? I'd assume he wasn't raised very well, but his actions would reflect badly on only himself, not his coaching staff and/or the university. See what I mean some think scratching your arm during the anthem is a sign of disrespect. To avoid it all the teams should just stay in the locker room. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 17:25:03 GMT -8
Werebeaver, I was responding to speakthetruth in the above post, not to you, who posted while I was typing mine.
Truth be told, I didn't notice whether LMU remained on the floor. But that raises another question for me. Somebody mentioned earlier that this might be a conference wide thing (although I have been told that the men's team was on the floor as per the established norm at the Portland State game). If that is the case, or even if it's just individual programs doing it, what is the opposing non-conference team to do? Should they join in disrespecting the flag out of respect for their opponent's wishes?
And the flip side of that - OSU goes to play at Villanova in a few weeks. Assuming Villanova follows a tradition similar to what we have done in the past, should OSU stand where visiting teams normally do out of respect for what is done there? Or should they disrespect both Villanova and the flag by running off the court?
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 17:34:51 GMT -8
That's more than a little bit ludicrous. If you're inside a venue where the anthem is being played, you should respect it. If you're outside that venue, then it's not any more inappropriate to continue what you were doing than than to not stand when the President enters a room on TV that you're watching rather than a room you're sitting in. If you attend a wedding, you stand when thy play the wedding march and the bride enters; if you live across the street from the church and you're washing your car but can hear it, you continue washing your car. Respect, politeness, manners - these are pretty basic things that you should have started to learn somewhere around 3rd grade. The fellow on the sideline scratching his arm during the playing of the anthem? I'd assume he wasn't raised very well, but his actions would reflect badly on only himself, not his coaching staff and/or the university. See what I mean some think scratching your arm during the anthem is a sign of disrespect. To avoid it all the teams should just stay in the locker room. Got it. If there is any chance of inappropriate behavior by any individual within a large group, that entire group should not be allowed to be in the area where said behavior might take place. Therefore, since it is at least as likely that somebody in the stands would also be disrespectful, the stadium should be emptied while the anthem is being played. Individual bad behavior is a very different animal from organized, sanctioned bad behavior. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 18:29:51 GMT -8
See what I mean some think scratching your arm during the anthem is a sign of disrespect. To avoid it all the teams should just stay in the locker room. Got it. If there is any chance of inappropriate behavior by any individual within a large group, that entire group should not be allowed to be in the area where said behavior might take place. Therefore, since it is at least as likely that somebody in the stands would also be disrespectful, the stadium should be emptied while the anthem is being played. Individual bad behavior is a very different animal from organized, sanctioned bad behavior. I just don't see scratching your arm during the anthem as a sign of disrespect or inappropriate behavior. Obviously you do, |
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Post by markwbeaver on Nov 14, 2021 19:05:27 GMT -8
In the scenario you describe, it is an established procedure that the marching band will perform on the field well before kickoff, that said performance will last for about 15 minutes, and will conclude with the playing of the anthem. The respective coaching staffs use the interlude for last minute meetings and instructions in the locker room. That's fine. If, however, they allowed their teams to stand around on the sideline to listen to the band play, "Oh, Susanna" and "Camptown Races", or to watch the tuba player dot the i in Ohio, and then had them scurry into the tunnel just prior to the anthem, that would be a blatant show of disrespect, would it not? Not into hypotheticals. Is that what actually happened - with the LMU team alone on the court during the anthem? I have a hard time imagining that. |
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Post by markwbeaver on Nov 14, 2021 19:07:58 GMT -8
Yes, Werebeaver. What you describe is exactly what happened Friday night. LMU was on the floor, lined up across the court while the anthem played. The Beaver team was somewhere back in the tunnel.
I'm not quick to assume the reason for how that came to happen.
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 19:32:53 GMT -8
Yes, Werebeaver. What you describe is exactly what happened Friday night. LMU was on the floor, lined up across the court while the anthem played. The Beaver team was somewhere back in the tunnel. I'm not quick to assume the reason for how that came to happen. The only possible answers are rueck hates the country, the assistants hate the country, the players hate the country or all three. Lol |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 19:49:35 GMT -8
Got it. If there is any chance of inappropriate behavior by any individual within a large group, that entire group should not be allowed to be in the area where said behavior might take place. Therefore, since it is at least as likely that somebody in the stands would also be disrespectful, the stadium should be emptied while the anthem is being played. Individual bad behavior is a very different animal from organized, sanctioned bad behavior. I just don't see scratching your arm during the anthem as a sign of disrespect or inappropriate behavior. Obviously you do, Actually, I don't necessarily think it is either; it could just as readily be a sign of distraction. I only used it because it was the example used earlier. I kind of took it as a euphemism for scratching body parts that shouldn't be scratched in public. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 19:52:35 GMT -8
I think it would be fitting and appropriate, as a sign of our red-blooded patriotism, for each and every Benny's House thread to begin with the National Anthem. Let's set the example instead of being back-seat drivers.
ON YOUR FEET EVERYONE - THAT MEANS YOU!
No exceptions.
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Post by sparty on Nov 14, 2021 20:06:56 GMT -8
I think it would be fitting and appropriate, as a sign of our red-blooded patriotism, for each and every Benny's House thread to begin with the National Anthem. Let's set the example instead of being back-seat drivers. ON YOUR FEET EVERYONE - THAT MEAN'S YOU! No exceptions. What if a couple of players started a "Lets Go Brandon" chant from the bench and the student section joined in? Just having some fun with yah. Werebeaver. All is good with you and this interesting discussion. So what we found out is your opinion and mine is actually more moderate than some others who have expressed it here on the other two ends of the spectrum. Like you I am interested in those that take up the question with Barnes. As Werebeaver said , Please share the response. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 20:07:40 GMT -8
You know it could be as simple as rueck wants the team to take the court together and some body had to have their ankle retaped or use the restroom.
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