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Post by beav1996 on Nov 14, 2021 11:31:55 GMT -8
Already have reached out. Thought this board was a place to share points of view.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 14, 2021 11:37:28 GMT -8
One takes an oath to uphold the Constitution (not the flag, not the president, not the national anthem) when one joins the military. The Constitution quite clearly protects the right of peaceful protest. So why would anyone in the military have a problem with citizens invoking a right the military took an oath to protect?
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Post by zeroposter on Nov 14, 2021 11:49:45 GMT -8
I think it became a wide spread policy several years ago. I know there were discussions on this board at least 2 years ago on basketball teams not being out there for the Anthem. Football teams have rarely been on the field for decades in college if my memory serves me well.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 11:56:28 GMT -8
Already have reached out. Thought this board was a place to share points of view. I'd actually be interested to hear how they respond, if you care to share it with the board. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -8
Honoring the flag by the playing of the national anthem is a symbolic thing, representing a philosophy of governance and unity transformed into a nation, the history and heritage of that nation, and the promise to ourselves and our descendants to maintain and even improve it. It is not designated as a tribute to veterans, current members of our armed forces, or any other group within our local or national society, but to the concept that gave birth to our free society.
And it is not a mandate, but a tradition that was started early in the 20th century, that it be played prior to the beginning of athletic events. That tradition, once started, spread rapidly, and has endured for generations. While many in attendance are markedly ambivalent about it, up until now, few and far between were the numbers who actively opposed it, and fewer still the numbers who deliberately insulted the flag by using the playing of the anthem as a means to demonstrate in favor of, or in opposition to, some political viewpoint.
If that is, indeed, what is happening at the women's games, I would have a major problem with it, and would be very glad to communicate in writing my displeasure to those who have been instrumental in implementing this policy. Does anybody happen to have an email address for either Scott Barnes or Scott Rueck?
I would hope others on this board who feel similarly would do so as well.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 12:00:38 GMT -8
I think it became a wide spread policy several years ago. I know there were discussions on this board at least 2 years ago on basketball teams not being out there for the Anthem. Football teams have rarely been on the field for decades in college if my memory serves me well. Yeah, the band has always played the anthem in pregame, before the teams reentered the field (after warmups). It's been like that since way, way, back in my OSUMB days (in Parker Stadium). As far as I can recall, that sequence was never considered disrespectful. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 14, 2021 12:04:26 GMT -8
Geez people get over it. The football team is never on the field when the anthem is played and nobody says a word.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 12:06:17 GMT -8
Honoring the flag by the playing of the national anthem is a symbolic thing, representing a philosophy of governance and unity transformed into a nation, the history and heritage of that nation, and the promise to ourselves and our descendants to maintain and even improve it. It is not designated as a tribute to veterans, current members of our armed forces, or any other group within our local or national society, but to the concept that gave birth to our free society. And it is not a mandate, but a tradition that was started early in the 20th century, that it be played prior to the beginning of athletic events. That tradition, once started, spread rapidly, and has endured for generations. While many in attendance are markedly ambivalent about it, up until now, few and far between were the numbers who actively opposed it, and fewer still the numbers who deliberately insulted the flag by using the playing of the anthem as a means to demonstrate in favor of, or in opposition to, some political viewpoint. If that is, indeed, what is happening at the women's games, I would have a major problem with it, and would be very glad to communicate in writing my displeasure to those who have been instrumental in implementing this policy. Does anybody happen to have an email address for either Scott Barnes or Scott Rueck? I would hope others on this board who feel similarly would do so as well. From what I've read, the anthem began being played uniformly before sports events after US entrance into WWI. It was largely discontinued following the armistice. It was reinstituted following the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941 and the US declaration of War the following day. After conclusion of WWII it was not discontinued and we've all grown up with it as an unquestioned fact of our sports lives. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 14, 2021 12:10:11 GMT -8
If the anthem is played while the teams are not yet on the field (or court), I would agree there's no disrespect there at all. That's no different than a fan not having arrived in the stadium yet.
If the team is already there, however, and chooses to leave the venue where the anthem is being played rather than participate, that is totally disrespectful. I don't know what else you could call it.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 14, 2021 12:21:28 GMT -8
If the anthem is played while the teams are not yet on the field (or court), I would agree there's no disrespect there at all. That's no different than a fan not having arrived in the stadium yet. If the team is already there, however, and chooses to leave the venue where the anthem is being played rather than participate, that is totally disrespectful. I don't know what else you could call it. Well they obviously leave the court at the conclusion of warmups to go to the locker room for final pregame prep, prior to introductions and tip-off. If the anthem is played for the spectators during that absence (just like football), I wouldn't consider that "disrespectful" toward any person or symbol. ^My own personal opinion. One last thing. Whatever the Beavers are doing, I'm sure it's the same as the other schools in the conference. Pregame sequences are coordinated with Pac-12 broadcast schedules and planned down to the second. I'd be shocked if OSU had a pregame sequence that was different from the other conference teams. It wouldn't be fair to the visiting teams. I can't imagine that when they played the anthem on Friday, LMU was standing out there but OSU was not. |
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Post by zeroposter on Nov 14, 2021 12:39:58 GMT -8
If the anthem is played while the teams are not yet on the field (or court), I would agree there's no disrespect there at all. That's no different than a fan not having arrived in the stadium yet. If the team is already there, however, and chooses to leave the venue where the anthem is being played rather than participate, that is totally disrespectful. I don't know what else you could call it. Well they obviously leave the court at the conclusion of warmups to go to the locker room for final pregame prep, prior to introductions and tip-off. If the anthem is played for the spectators during that absence (just like football), I wouldn't consider that "disrespectful" toward any person or symbol. ^My own personal opinion. Totally and completely agree. And as for myself, it is so easy to build rage right now, I think it is not a bad thing at all to have the athletes focus on the game or event. |
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Post by bmoc on Nov 14, 2021 12:42:29 GMT -8
I don't think it's unintentional. We've gone from lining up by heighth (putting SR next to the big), to absent. Remember Marie's dad singing the German national anthem? Remember Ron singing Canada's for Kolbie and Poland's for Joanna? Janessa singing with her brothers? That got the crowd fired up and we took down #2 Oregon a few hours later. I don't think in today's culture you can mandate participation in the national anthem. I think SR's got a few "kneelers" and he'd rather not give them a platform to voice their political opinions. I think he'd rather that they focus on basketball; as would I.
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Post by lebaneaver on Nov 14, 2021 12:51:10 GMT -8
Oh, FFS. Look under every friggin' rock for something that offends you, by all means. Find SOMETHING to bitch and moan about! Throw s%#t against a wall, and HOPE some sticks!! Yeehaw! It's SATAN, I tellya!
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 14, 2021 12:52:22 GMT -8
The playing of the national anthem before every single sporting event is a tradition that really should be retired. With the exception of when teams or individuals are actually competing for their national team; Olympics and other similar competitions.
The fetishizing of the military in this country has gone too far.
Do I respect those that serve and have served our country? Abso-f%#*ing-lutely!
Do I think that compulsory nationalistic displays at college or pro sporting events are needed? Hell no.
Does saying “Thank you for your service” to anyone you see in uniform make you a better person or a better American? Nope.
Do I get chills and brim with emotions when I sing our anthem in a stadium/arena full of Americans? Yes!
Do I chant USA! USA! …when the US scores a goal or wins a gold at the Olympics? Hell ya!
In my opinion, doing the anthem at every single game actually dilutes it’s meaning, and let’s people feel American instead of actually being American by taking action.
And if our basketball team wants to protest inequalities and injustices in the country by not observing this tradition, I’m all for it. And you should be too.
I didn’t serve. But plenty of veterans, past, present, and future know what they are fighting for. And it’s NOT blind nationalism.
Also, those that denigrate “wokeness” really don’t understand what that means OR do not believe in equality.
This thread is probably about to be locked because of it’s political nature. Some of you will feel offended and censored. I DO NOT CARE.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 14, 2021 12:56:44 GMT -8
I don't think it's unintentional. We've gone from lining up by heighth (putting SR next to the big), to absent. Remember Marie's dad singing the German national anthem? Remember Ron singing Canada's for Kolbie and Poland's for Joanna? Janessa singing with her brothers? That got the crowd fired up and we took down #2 Oregon a few hours later. I don't think in today's culture you can mandate participation in the national anthem. I think SR's got a few "kneelers" and he'd rather not give them a platform to voice their political opinions. I think he'd rather that they focus on basketball; as would I. “Stick to sports” Post of the day! If you want them to focus on basketball, why play the national anthem at all? |
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