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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 21, 2021 21:30:29 GMT -8
If you think “devout Catholic” describes someone that endorses abortion, you are the one “talking nonsense.” I believe you are smart enough to realize this, leaving only other reasons for your disagreement. I think this President understands and acknowledges the essential FACT that in the United States of America we have no State religion. And that the President, as Head of State, represents ALL Americans, not merely those who happen to share his faith. As clear and simple as that is, it’s apparently a hard concept for some to grasp. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 21, 2021 21:35:48 GMT -8
If you think “devout Catholic” describes someone that endorses abortion, you are the one “talking nonsense.” I believe you are smart enough to realize this, leaving only other reasons for your disagreement. I think this President understands and acknowledges the essential FACT that in the United States of America we have no State religion. And that the President, as head of State, represents ALL Americans, not merely those who happen to share his faith. As simple as that is, it’s apparently a hard concept for some to grasp. I was wrong. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 21, 2021 21:43:31 GMT -8
I think this President understands and acknowledges the essential FACT that in the United States of America we have no State religion. And that the President, as head of State, represents ALL Americans, not merely those who happen to share his faith. As simple as that is, it’s apparently a hard concept for some to grasp. I was wrong. Hope I didn’t ruin your evening. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 21, 2021 21:45:06 GMT -8
Why is it so difficult for Catholics/Christians to realize that their rules are beautiful…for themselves. But to impose those rules on others is kind of sick. Biden gets it. He is against abortion, but he realizes not everyone believes as he does. He also realizes, unlike Texas, that abortions will happen whether they are legal or not, and if young women are going to have abortions anyway, they shouldn’t have to die getting one. We are a nation of many religions, many faiths, and many beliefs. Why should all people be forced to live by the rules of one religion? Sounds a bit like Afghanistan. Probably for the same reason that some people can complain about others moral deficiencies but cannot see those same traits in themselves. I don’t demand that you to follow the rules of my religion; I expect you to follow the rules of the state and the country. Moral deficiencies don’t concern me at all. I’d rather spend time with a morally deficient Catholic than a pious one. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 21, 2021 22:39:40 GMT -8
A lot of practicing Catholics are pro choice, somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 or so. I don't know the split on vaccines, but when I went to Catholic school for nine years we had to show proof of vaccination to attend.
Most non-Catholics have the wrong ideas about Catholics. There is a diversity of ideas and political stances among the faithful. At the street level, there are many who do not follow any given Pope or Church doctrine 100% of the time. To say that one or another Catholic is not "devout" because of a political stance they take is not a fair or accurate judgment at all.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 21, 2021 22:55:35 GMT -8
A lot of practicing Catholics are pro choice, somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 or so. I don't know the split on vaccines, but when I went to Catholic school for nine years we had to show proof of vaccination to attend. Most non-Catholics have the wrong ideas about Catholics. There is a diversity of ideas and political stances among the faithful. At the street level, there are many who do not follow any given Pope or Church doctrine 100% of the time. To say that one or another Catholic is not "devout" because of a political stance they take is not a fair or accurate judgment at all. As stated, "most" devout believers of any religion don't put politics first. Now some so called devout practioners will certainly have their own interpretation of their chosen religion to suit their political beliefs. Calling someone devout when they don't follow the basic tenets of their church isn't really being devout at all. It doesn't matter what 1/3 or 1/2 of the other members "supposedly" believe. They are members, not the religion. Again, "devout" is a phrase tossed about casually, and seems to have ever diminishing requisites. But, if your politics outweighs your "religion" I'm not sure how that fits any definition of being devout. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 22, 2021 5:39:33 GMT -8
A lot of practicing Catholics are pro choice, somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 or so. I don't know the split on vaccines, but when I went to Catholic school for nine years we had to show proof of vaccination to attend. Most non-Catholics have the wrong ideas about Catholics. There is a diversity of ideas and political stances among the faithful. At the street level, there are many who do not follow any given Pope or Church doctrine 100% of the time. To say that one or another Catholic is not "devout" because of a political stance they take is not a fair or accurate judgment at all. As stated, "most" devout believers of any religion don't put politics first. Now some so called devout practioners will certainly have their own interpretation of their chosen religion to suit their political beliefs. Calling someone devout when they don't follow the basic tenets of their church isn't really being devout at all. It doesn't matter what 1/3 or 1/2 of the other members "supposedly" believe. They are members, not the religion. Again, "devout" is a phrase tossed about casually, and seems to have ever diminishing requisites. But, if your politics outweighs your "religion" I'm not sure how that fits any definition of being devout. You posted the following: "..devout" to most isn't what Joe practices or espouses in some of his political leanings.” Not correct. Devout relates to an individual’s adherence to the tenets of his or her faith. For those involved in government, that individual religious devotion is separate from their governmental duties. It’s just as inappropriate for a devout member of the Jewish faith to impose his dietary tenets on non Jewish-Americans or a devout Mormon to impose a ban on alcohol on non Mormon-Americans as it for a devout Catholic to use a position in Civil government to impose his faith’s views on abortion on non-Catholic Americans. Again, a very basic concept of our American Constitutional government, usually first taught in 7th grade civics, that some folks willfully don’t want to either understand or accept. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 22, 2021 8:26:47 GMT -8
The rabbit hole has been entered, dug a little deeper and wider, and now it seems there is no escape.
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