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Post by obf on Aug 5, 2021 9:41:29 GMT -8
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m a 3-4 isn’t the DL supposed to occupy the OL so that one or more LB can get to the QB? I personally think that running it (like we did last year) is a horrific idea if you aren’t a dominant program who picks up high level future NFL nose tackles I basically have had at least one post exactly like yours every years over the past 6+ years. I still miss the glorious 4-3s that Mark Banker was able to cobble together almost a decade ago at this point. Our ILBs have been phenomenal. We need an OLB to really step up. Otherwise, we are going to have to put 8+ in the box to make sure that we do not get cut to death by 15-20 consecutive four-yard carries. Pretty amazing that after years of complaining about Banker, many Beaver fans, myself included, miss him and his defenses greatly! Sure he was flummoxed by mobile QBs, and never, ever taught his CBs to turn and look for the ball, but his defenses always played hard, hit hard and for the most part kept other teams from scoring 30+ a game!
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 10, 2021 19:50:03 GMT -8
First, I don’t think we are very good.. I’m predicting 5-7 if we beat you, 4-8 if we don’t. I’m just talking about the type of team Purdue is against a base defense. If you sell out on the pass in your alignment with nickels and dimes, then yes, I think any big ten team can run and I think 3-6 yard gains by Horvath would turn into more. My understanding is that you’ve got a 3-4 with 3-4 OLBs that are the opposite of nickel and dime backs. A standard defense from any power 5 land USA needs to be able to limit Horvath to 100 while selling out the back 7. If we were playing… Kansas state or Vandy or whoever and you told me .. well.. committing their back 7 to the pass would mean that Horvath would gain 220 yards, that team would be in as much trouble as I think we will be in against your offense … unless lambert is a miracle worker or you guys crap your pants (which I don’t expect) I am with flyfishinbeavI cannot undersell Tibesar's ability to crap the bed at all times and in all situations. We have two monster ILBs and will have two DEs, which will only be a tick or two below them. But even with those guys last year and (in all probability) a much better DT and at least (again, in all probability) one much better OLB, we finished 116th out of 127 teams at stopping the run last year. The team immediately behind us was Vandy and the team behind them was Kansas. Only Vandy, Kansas, Arizona and Minnesota finished with worse rushing defenses among Power Five teams. UL Monroe made our front seven look pathetic. Eastern Michigan posted a better rush defense. Same with powerhouse teams like Florida International and Texas State. We do great, when teams try to pass, because we have some very clever and deceptive blitz and coverage packages. But we have a real problem at stopping downhill running and that has been an issue for at least the past seven years. Having said all of that, Hamilcar Rashed, Jr., looked like he was too busy trying to not get hurt to play his position well, so despite the talent level probably dropping off in 2021 at OLB, I am hopeful that play on the edge will improve and teams won't be able to serially abuse the outside edge like they did last year. I have no idea, if we are going to trot out a serviceable DT. If we get production out of the DT and OLB positions, the front seven could be much improved and fun to watch. The safeties are both rock solid. Both corners are new, though. If one or the other corners do not pan, Oregon State could be in for trouble, even if the front seven is solid. Tibesar is a standard Big Ten defensive coach. He was getting burned early. So, he has transitioned to more nickel and dime, which leads to huge holes in the front seven that OCs are quick to exploit. I am hopeful that the pieces are this year for Tibesar to run more true 3-4 sets this year than in the two years previous. The last seven years, though, if we do not out-offense teams, we lose. That has been Oregon State football since '13. I am hoping for a return to the defenses that we saw before '13. Tim tibesar?? Oh man..
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Post by bleedorange21 on Aug 10, 2021 21:30:28 GMT -8
Banker was good until the spread offenses came around. He never was able to adjust well. I think it took him forever to finally implement a nickel package.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 11, 2021 7:19:44 GMT -8
Banker was good until the spread offenses came around. He never was able to adjust well. I think it took him forever to finally implement a nickel package. People forget that most of the DC's around the country struggled with the spread offenses when they first came out. Particularly, when offenses were allowed to snap the ball almost immediately after the last play ended. Since the referees have slowed that down and allowed defenses to sub when the offenses sub before being allowed to snap the ball (the ref stands over the ball), DC's have managed to catch up a bit.
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Post by bleedorange21 on Aug 11, 2021 13:59:31 GMT -8
Banker was good until the spread offenses came around. He never was able to adjust well. I think it took him forever to finally implement a nickel package. People forget that most of the DC's around the country struggled with the spread offenses when they first came out. Particularly, when offenses were allowed to snap the ball almost immediately after the last play ended. Since the referees have slowed that down and allowed defenses to sub when the offenses sub before being allowed to snap the ball (the ref stands over the ball), DC's have managed to catch up a bit. Banker struggled on another level. That was what was frustrating to beaver fans. He made any mobile QB look like an all star.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 11, 2021 20:37:09 GMT -8
People forget that most of the DC's around the country struggled with the spread offenses when they first came out. Particularly, when offenses were allowed to snap the ball almost immediately after the last play ended. Since the referees have slowed that down and allowed defenses to sub when the offenses sub before being allowed to snap the ball (the ref stands over the ball), DC's have managed to catch up a bit. Banker struggled on another level. That was what was frustrating to beaver fans. He made any mobile QB look like an all star. Isaiah Stanbeck wishes this post was accurate.
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 12, 2021 3:53:38 GMT -8
Not sure how good hodgins was but we had a couple guys go down. Anthony watts was supposed to be a starting DT, he hurt his foot and has left the program since he graduated. Replaced by Indiana transfer Demarje Lewis.. Indiana fans were very high on him and sad to see him go. Rs Fr. who had offers from great SEC programs allegedly. Apparently he’s a player.
Semisi fakasiieki, the scheduled starting MLB went down on Monday, and while I feel terrible, this is probably a case of coaches being saved from themselves. I hope he’s back in a month or so, but he was a guy where brohm wanted to rely on the less talented guy who made his job easier. Now he’s gonna be forced to get Jaylan Alexander ready to go there with OC brothers on one side and Jalen Graham on the other.
Yanni Karlaftis is full go at Graham’s spot. He’s supposedly a true freshman version of George at SLB.. a physical hitter with big time explosiveness. Should come in in the second quarter against you guys. Graham can’t turn around well in coverage and just ends up out of position.
Is the Minnesota transfer your backup at NT? Our lads doesn’t show him as the starter. They show Cody Anderson. How good is he?
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Post by jm on Aug 13, 2021 16:42:45 GMT -8
Banker struggled on another level. That was what was frustrating to beaver fans. He made any mobile QB look like an all star. Isaiah Stanbeck wishes this post was accurate. That was the game that Banker earned all credibility against the mobile qb. A defensive clinic. Doggett spied all game. IIRC.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 13, 2021 17:04:38 GMT -8
Isaiah Stanbeck wishes this post was accurate. That was the game that Banker earned all credibility against the mobile qb. A defensive clinic. Doggett spied all game. IIRC. Great game plan and DD was the man!
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Post by bleedorange21 on Aug 13, 2021 17:32:40 GMT -8
Not sure how good hodgins was but we had a couple guys go down. Anthony watts was supposed to be a starting DT, he hurt his foot and has left the program since he graduated. Replaced by Indiana transfer Demarje Lewis.. Indiana fans were very high on him and sad to see him go. Rs Fr. who had offers from great SEC programs allegedly. Apparently he’s a player. Semisi fakasiieki, the scheduled starting MLB went down on Monday, and while I feel terrible, this is probably a case of coaches being saved from themselves. I hope he’s back in a month or so, but he was a guy where brohm wanted to rely on the less talented guy who made his job easier. Now he’s gonna be forced to get Jaylan Alexander ready to go there with OC brothers on one side and Jalen Graham on the other. Yanni Karlaftis is full go at Graham’s spot. He’s supposedly a true freshman version of George at SLB.. a physical hitter with big time explosiveness. Should come in in the second quarter against you guys. Graham can’t turn around well in coverage and just ends up out of position. Is the Minnesota transfer your backup at NT? Our lads doesn’t show him as the starter. They show Cody Anderson. How good is he? I think Skelton will start and then maybe the transfer or Sio. Sip just moved from OL and is a beast at 347lbs. So far is impressing but still learning the position but defensive coaches are excited about him. Anderson is more of a DE. He's very experienced and solid but not a standout. Hodgins was very experienced but wasn't great by any means. The next guys up show a lot of potential and are bigger so we'll see.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 13, 2021 17:34:03 GMT -8
Isaiah Stanbeck wishes this post was accurate. That was the game that Banker earned all credibility against the mobile qb. A defensive clinic. Doggett spied all game. IIRC. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 13, 2021 18:42:05 GMT -8
That was the game that Banker earned all credibility against the mobile qb. A defensive clinic. Doggett spied all game. IIRC. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. The overwhelming majority of games that gave Banker the bad rep were against Oregon and Chipper’s offense, one that pretty much did the same to every team not in the SEC. If you don’t realize that I can’t help you.
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 14, 2021 6:28:26 GMT -8
Not sure how good hodgins was but we had a couple guys go down. Anthony watts was supposed to be a starting DT, he hurt his foot and has left the program since he graduated. Replaced by Indiana transfer Demarje Lewis.. Indiana fans were very high on him and sad to see him go. Rs Fr. who had offers from great SEC programs allegedly. Apparently he’s a player. Semisi fakasiieki, the scheduled starting MLB went down on Monday, and while I feel terrible, this is probably a case of coaches being saved from themselves. I hope he’s back in a month or so, but he was a guy where brohm wanted to rely on the less talented guy who made his job easier. Now he’s gonna be forced to get Jaylan Alexander ready to go there with OC brothers on one side and Jalen Graham on the other. Yanni Karlaftis is full go at Graham’s spot. He’s supposedly a true freshman version of George at SLB.. a physical hitter with big time explosiveness. Should come in in the second quarter against you guys. Graham can’t turn around well in coverage and just ends up out of position. Is the Minnesota transfer your backup at NT? Our lads doesn’t show him as the starter. They show Cody Anderson. How good is he? I think Skelton will start and then maybe the transfer or Sio. Sip just moved from OL and is a beast at 347lbs. So far is impressing but still learning the position but defensive coaches are excited about him. Anderson is more of a DE. He's very experienced and solid but not a standout. Hodgins was very experienced but wasn't great by any means. The next guys up show a lot of potential and are bigger so we'll see. Not sure how much you guys are like Purdue, but at Purdue the next guy up who is supposed to be more talented rarely busts out early and is better than the veteran. Kinda like gus Hartwig .. the 4* center who Ohio state wanted bad. He played guard some last year as a true freshman then center when walk on sam Garvin went down. This year the center job is his. Could he be an all star at this level next year and beyond? Absolutely.. it’s expected. Do I expect that against Oregon state despite the fact that everyone on the national rivals side of things told us “this guy is a HUGE get” the day he committed? Not at all … Marvin grant is the most talented SS we’ve had since Bernard pollard. But even if he stays healthy there are going to be growing pains. At tight end Garrett Miller, who has already made some plays, has talent along the lines of brycen Hopkins and Dustin Keller. And while he may be an all big ten force, am I expecting that on September 4th if Payne Durham gets nicked up early? No. David bell, rondale moore and George karlaftis are the only players I’ve seen bust out from day one in a long time. Take two other four star receivers who showed up with bell… Milton Wright and mershawn rice. Wright had a priority offer from alabama.. not to come there and be A guy, but be THE guy. He’s made some big plays his first two years but he still hasn’t put together the veteran tools in all the little ways that veterans accumulate them. I don’t know if he will ever be as savvy as David Bell, John standeford or Taylor stubblefield. Mershawn rice is supposed to finally play against Oregon state three years after the fact and I’ve been told not to expect him to just come out lighting it up. So I guess I’m curious.. when you guys have guys go down, do young guys with the rivals/247 resume just come in and you don’t miss a beat? Because it sure ain’t like that for us
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 14, 2021 6:57:26 GMT -8
I think Skelton will start and then maybe the transfer or Sio. Sip just moved from OL and is a beast at 347lbs. So far is impressing but still learning the position but defensive coaches are excited about him. Anderson is more of a DE. He's very experienced and solid but not a standout. Hodgins was very experienced but wasn't great by any means. The next guys up show a lot of potential and are bigger so we'll see. Not sure how much you guys are like Purdue, but at Purdue the next guy up who is supposed to be more talented rarely busts out early and is better than the veteran. Kinda like gus Hartwig .. the 4* center who Ohio state wanted bad. He played guard some last year as a true freshman then center when walk on sam Garvin went down. This year the center job is his. Could he be an all star at this level next year and beyond? Absolutely.. it’s expected. Do I expect that against Oregon state despite the fact that everyone on the national rivals side of things told us “this guy is a HUGE get” the day he committed? Not at all … Marvin grant is the most talented SS we’ve had since Bernard pollard. But even if he stays healthy there are going to be growing pains. At tight end Garrett Miller, who has already made some plays, has talent along the lines of brycen Hopkins and Dustin Keller. And while he may be an all big ten force, am I expecting that on September 4th if Payne Durham gets nicked up early? No. David bell, rondale moore and George karlaftis are the only players I’ve seen bust out from day one in a long time. Take two other four star receivers who showed up with bell… Milton Wright and mershawn rice. Wright had a priority offer from alabama.. not to come there and be A guy, but be THE guy. He’s made some big plays his first two years but he still hasn’t put together the veteran tools in all the little ways that veterans accumulate them. I don’t know if he will ever be as savvy as David Bell, John standeford or Taylor stubblefield. Mershawn rice is supposed to finally play against Oregon state three years after the fact and I’ve been told not to expect him to just come out lighting it up. So I guess I’m curious.. when you guys have guys go down, do young guys with the rivals/247 resume just come in and you don’t miss a beat? Because it sure ain’t like that for us This years team is arguably the deepest team in years! Especially on the back end of the defense. Coach Smith has made depth a priority since taking over. The weakest link, in terms of depth, is the DL and recent injuries at that position are unsettling to put it mildly. Go Beavs!!
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Post by bleedorange21 on Aug 14, 2021 7:32:34 GMT -8
I think Skelton will start and then maybe the transfer or Sio. Sip just moved from OL and is a beast at 347lbs. So far is impressing but still learning the position but defensive coaches are excited about him. Anderson is more of a DE. He's very experienced and solid but not a standout. Hodgins was very experienced but wasn't great by any means. The next guys up show a lot of potential and are bigger so we'll see. Not sure how much you guys are like Purdue, but at Purdue the next guy up who is supposed to be more talented rarely busts out early and is better than the veteran. Kinda like gus Hartwig .. the 4* center who Ohio state wanted bad. He played guard some last year as a true freshman then center when walk on sam Garvin went down. This year the center job is his. Could he be an all star at this level next year and beyond? Absolutely.. it’s expected. Do I expect that against Oregon state despite the fact that everyone on the national rivals side of things told us “this guy is a HUGE get” the day he committed? Not at all … Marvin grant is the most talented SS we’ve had since Bernard pollard. But even if he stays healthy there are going to be growing pains. At tight end Garrett Miller, who has already made some plays, has talent along the lines of brycen Hopkins and Dustin Keller. And while he may be an all big ten force, am I expecting that on September 4th if Payne Durham gets nicked up early? No. David bell, rondale moore and George karlaftis are the only players I’ve seen bust out from day one in a long time. Take two other four star receivers who showed up with bell… Milton Wright and mershawn rice. Wright had a priority offer from alabama.. not to come there and be A guy, but be THE guy. He’s made some big plays his first two years but he still hasn’t put together the veteran tools in all the little ways that veterans accumulate them. I don’t know if he will ever be as savvy as David Bell, John standeford or Taylor stubblefield. Mershawn rice is supposed to finally play against Oregon state three years after the fact and I’ve been told not to expect him to just come out lighting it up. So I guess I’m curious.. when you guys have guys go down, do young guys with the rivals/247 resume just come in and you don’t miss a beat? Because it sure ain’t like that for us We usually don't really have guys that are big time recruits on rivals. These guys have played but haven't played nearly as much as Hodgins because this would be his fourth year starting. In limited snaps Rawls has played well and he's put on about 20lbs this off-season so he could be poised for a breakout season. Will he who knows? Rrports from camp have been promising and he was graded highly in his minutes by PFF last year. Shippen hasn't shown much yet but he is 1 that was highly touted so we'll see. Anderson has played a lot in the rotation but has only been serviceable. He has a high motor and never lacks effort. Sandberg will probably start at RE. I think he will breakout this year. He's put on a lot of weight as well and he was starting to break out last season. He's from Sweden and has only been playing football for about 4 years. Has all of the physical tools to be good. There is Lolohea who is a freshman and it's starting to seem like they're not going to be able to keep him off the field.
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