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Post by qbeaver on Aug 1, 2021 10:44:42 GMT -8
I'm expecting Noyer to start at quarterback. No one knows the health of Gebbia. On offense,I think osu has a very solid offensive line including some very good tight ends. Saw Musgrave at the osu high school camp Friday. He is really put together...all of 6-6 250. Hopefully Teagan is healthy for Purdue,because he is an elite blocker at 6-7 256. Can osu make the key third down conversions and clutch plays? Who knows? It's the first game of the season,so it's always an unknown. Also,if healthy,the wide receiver group is very talented. Beason,Bradford,and Harrison are really talented,and the two transfers from Georgia and Penn St were 4 star highly recruited kids who had tons of elite offers. Tongue was hurt in the spring,and Denmore will be new this fall. Plenty of talent on offense.
On defense,it all starts up front. Will the d-line be stout and get a pass rush? I don't know. I like the MLB's at osu,and I think the d-backs are really solid if we get a pass rush. Julien,Grant,Wright,etc are solid players. Osu needs an olb to step up and be a strong threat to get to the quarterback. Can Gumbs finally be healthy and reach his potential? We will find out in September.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 1, 2021 17:02:20 GMT -8
Neither Gebbia nor Noyer were able to practice fully in spring practice because of injury and post season surgery. Noyer had a shoulder injury and surgery and he literally said he felt like he was no longer needed at Colorado when he got on the transfer portal... I don't think Colorado's other QBs have much experience, one played 8 games in 2 years in Tennessee and is new to Colorado.
I hope Noyer can go but I'd give Gebbia a pretty equal shot.. shoulder surgery doesn't always turn out well for college QBs.
I'm not even counting out Vidlak at this point. Should be an interesting QB battle this month.
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 2, 2021 6:20:43 GMT -8
Here’s the thread I did where I talked about who we have returning that has demonstrated they are able to at least play.. then I get into who needs to improve or show up for us to even have a chance. I think if we get 1-3, plus 7, plus two other things on my list.. we can win this game in a squeaker .. If we don’t, start at a 1 point loss if we only have five things then add a score for every thing we are missing purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/what-we-can-bank-on-vs-what-we-need-to-be-a-winning-team.213093/
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 2, 2021 6:23:23 GMT -8
I'm expecting Noyer to start at quarterback. No one knows the health of Gebbia. On offense,I think osu has a very solid offensive line including some very good tight ends. Saw Musgrave at the osu high school camp Friday. He is really put together...all of 6-6 250. Hopefully Teagan is healthy for Purdue,because he is an elite blocker at 6-7 256. Can osu make the key third down conversions and clutch plays? Who knows? It's the first game of the season,so it's always an unknown. Also,if healthy,the wide receiver group is very talented. Beason,Bradford,and Harrison are really talented,and the two transfers from Georgia and Penn St were 4 star highly recruited kids who had tons of elite offers. Tongue was hurt in the spring,and Denmore will be new this fall. Plenty of talent on offense. On defense,it all starts up front. Will the d-line be stout and get a pass rush? I don't know. I like the MLB's at osu,and I think the d-backs are really solid if we get a pass rush. Julien,Grant,Wright,etc are solid players. Osu needs an olb to step up and be a strong threat to get to the quarterback. Can Gumbs finally be healthy and reach his potential? We will find out in September. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m a 3-4 isn’t the DL supposed to occupy the OL so that one or more LB can get to the QB? I personally think that running it (like we did last year) is a horrific idea if you aren’t a dominant program who picks up high level future NFL nose tackles
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2021 14:51:54 GMT -8
I'm expecting Noyer to start at quarterback. No one knows the health of Gebbia. On offense,I think osu has a very solid offensive line including some very good tight ends. Saw Musgrave at the osu high school camp Friday. He is really put together...all of 6-6 250. Hopefully Teagan is healthy for Purdue,because he is an elite blocker at 6-7 256. Can osu make the key third down conversions and clutch plays? Who knows? It's the first game of the season,so it's always an unknown. Also,if healthy,the wide receiver group is very talented. Beason,Bradford,and Harrison are really talented,and the two transfers from Georgia and Penn St were 4 star highly recruited kids who had tons of elite offers. Tongue was hurt in the spring,and Denmore will be new this fall. Plenty of talent on offense. On defense,it all starts up front. Will the d-line be stout and get a pass rush? I don't know. I like the MLB's at osu,and I think the d-backs are really solid if we get a pass rush. Julien,Grant,Wright,etc are solid players. Osu needs an olb to step up and be a strong threat to get to the quarterback. Can Gumbs finally be healthy and reach his potential? We will find out in September. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m a 3-4 isn’t the DL supposed to occupy the OL so that one or more LB can get to the QB? I personally think that running it (like we did last year) is a horrific idea if you aren’t a dominant program who picks up high level future NFL nose tackles I basically have had at least one post exactly like yours every years over the past 6+ years. I still miss the glorious 4-3s that Mark Banker was able to cobble together almost a decade ago at this point. Our ILBs have been phenomenal. We need an OLB to really step up. Otherwise, we are going to have to put 8+ in the box to make sure that we do not get cut to death by 15-20 consecutive four-yard carries.
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 2, 2021 15:48:09 GMT -8
We aren’t that kinda team… if we are getting 100 yards on you with 7 in the box you’re not doing good, no matter who you are. We are the kinda team that passes all over teams If they keep 7 in the box .. you can give up 100 to Horvath and win easily, if four players are completely committed to the run with another 3 primarily worried about the pass but able to recover on horvath. He’s the kinda back who has a 3 yard run in the bag and If you come back an hour later, so long as you don’t miss a tackle, it’s only a 6 yarder lol
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2021 17:10:24 GMT -8
We aren’t that kinda team… if we are getting 100 yards on you with 7 in the box you’re not doing good, no matter who you are. We are the kinda team that passes all over teams If they keep 7 in the box .. you can give up 100 to Horvath and win easily, if four players are completely committed to the run with another 3 primarily worried about the pass but able to recover on horvath. He’s the kinda back who has a 3 yard run in the bag and If you come back an hour later, so long as you don’t miss a tackle, it’s only a 6 yarder lol If you can't find running lanes on Oregon State's defense, the Beavers should win in a laugher. That is unless Purdue's defense steps up in a big way. Historically, Oregon State can get out-muscled by teams, but there are few teams that can out-pass Oregon State's defense. I can show you videos of Oregon State playing a poorly disguised weak nickel defense on fourth-and-goal from the one. Try and pass on the Beavers, when Oregon State is in dime defense on most second-and-sixes; I dare you! Having said that, we are replacing both corners and need both to step up in a big way, as they have some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Post by osbrawler on Aug 4, 2021 6:18:37 GMT -8
1 month alert to the start of the season!
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 4, 2021 6:55:45 GMT -8
1 month alert to the start of the season! Where is Heiny when we need him most?? Go Beavs!!
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Post by boilermakerd on Aug 4, 2021 8:04:00 GMT -8
We aren’t that kinda team… if we are getting 100 yards on you with 7 in the box you’re not doing good, no matter who you are. We are the kinda team that passes all over teams If they keep 7 in the box .. you can give up 100 to Horvath and win easily, if four players are completely committed to the run with another 3 primarily worried about the pass but able to recover on horvath. He’s the kinda back who has a 3 yard run in the bag and If you come back an hour later, so long as you don’t miss a tackle, it’s only a 6 yarder lol If you can't find running lanes on Oregon State's defense, the Beavers should win in a laugher. That is unless Purdue's defense steps up in a big way. Historically, Oregon State can get out-muscled by teams, but there are few teams that can out-pass Oregon State's defense. I can show you videos of Oregon State playing a poorly disguised weak nickel defense on fourth-and-goal from the one. Try and pass on the Beavers, when Oregon State is in dime defense on most second-and-sixes; I dare you! Having said that, we are replacing both corners and need both to step up in a big way, as they have some pretty big shoes to fill. First, I don’t think we are very good.. I’m predicting 5-7 if we beat you, 4-8 if we don’t. I’m just talking about the type of team Purdue is against a base defense. If you sell out on the pass in your alignment with nickels and dimes, then yes, I think any big ten team can run and I think 3-6 yard gains by Horvath would turn into more. My understanding is that you’ve got a 3-4 with 3-4 OLBs that are the opposite of nickel and dime backs. A standard defense from any power 5 land USA needs to be able to limit Horvath to 100 while selling out the back 7. If we were playing… Kansas state or Vandy or whoever and you told me .. well.. committing their back 7 to the pass would mean that Horvath would gain 220 yards, that team would be in as much trouble as I think we will be in against your offense … unless lambert is a miracle worker or you guys crap your pants (which I don’t expect)
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 4, 2021 10:01:04 GMT -8
1 month alert to the start of the season! Where is Heiny when we need him most?? Go Beavs!! I think he's been posting his countdown on the pure orange facebook page. I don't check facebook often but thought I saw a post from him a week or so ago.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 4, 2021 10:56:57 GMT -8
We can crap our pants with the best of em
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 4, 2021 12:30:37 GMT -8
If you can't find running lanes on Oregon State's defense, the Beavers should win in a laugher. That is unless Purdue's defense steps up in a big way. Historically, Oregon State can get out-muscled by teams, but there are few teams that can out-pass Oregon State's defense. I can show you videos of Oregon State playing a poorly disguised weak nickel defense on fourth-and-goal from the one. Try and pass on the Beavers, when Oregon State is in dime defense on most second-and-sixes; I dare you! Having said that, we are replacing both corners and need both to step up in a big way, as they have some pretty big shoes to fill. First, I don’t think we are very good.. I’m predicting 5-7 if we beat you, 4-8 if we don’t. I’m just talking about the type of team Purdue is against a base defense. If you sell out on the pass in your alignment with nickels and dimes, then yes, I think any big ten team can run and I think 3-6 yard gains by Horvath would turn into more. My understanding is that you’ve got a 3-4 with 3-4 OLBs that are the opposite of nickel and dime backs. A standard defense from any power 5 land USA needs to be able to limit Horvath to 100 while selling out the back 7. If we were playing… Kansas state or Vandy or whoever and you told me .. well.. committing their back 7 to the pass would mean that Horvath would gain 220 yards, that team would be in as much trouble as I think we will be in against your offense … unless lambert is a miracle worker or you guys crap your pants (which I don’t expect) I am with flyfishinbeavI cannot undersell Tibesar's ability to crap the bed at all times and in all situations. We have two monster ILBs and will have two DEs, which will only be a tick or two below them. But even with those guys last year and (in all probability) a much better DT and at least (again, in all probability) one much better OLB, we finished 116th out of 127 teams at stopping the run last year. The team immediately behind us was Vandy and the team behind them was Kansas. Only Vandy, Kansas, Arizona and Minnesota finished with worse rushing defenses among Power Five teams. UL Monroe made our front seven look pathetic. Eastern Michigan posted a better rush defense. Same with powerhouse teams like Florida International and Texas State. We do great, when teams try to pass, because we have some very clever and deceptive blitz and coverage packages. But we have a real problem at stopping downhill running and that has been an issue for at least the past seven years. Having said all of that, Hamilcar Rashed, Jr., looked like he was too busy trying to not get hurt to play his position well, so despite the talent level probably dropping off in 2021 at OLB, I am hopeful that play on the edge will improve and teams won't be able to serially abuse the outside edge like they did last year. I have no idea, if we are going to trot out a serviceable DT. If we get production out of the DT and OLB positions, the front seven could be much improved and fun to watch. The safeties are both rock solid. Both corners are new, though. If one or the other corners do not pan, Oregon State could be in for trouble, even if the front seven is solid. Tibesar is a standard Big Ten defensive coach. He was getting burned early. So, he has transitioned to more nickel and dime, which leads to huge holes in the front seven that OCs are quick to exploit. I am hopeful that the pieces are this year for Tibesar to run more true 3-4 sets this year than in the two years previous. The last seven years, though, if we do not out-offense teams, we lose. That has been Oregon State football since '13. I am hoping for a return to the defenses that we saw before '13.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2021 13:11:38 GMT -8
First, I don’t think we are very good.. I’m predicting 5-7 if we beat you, 4-8 if we don’t. I’m just talking about the type of team Purdue is against a base defense. If you sell out on the pass in your alignment with nickels and dimes, then yes, I think any big ten team can run and I think 3-6 yard gains by Horvath would turn into more. My understanding is that you’ve got a 3-4 with 3-4 OLBs that are the opposite of nickel and dime backs. A standard defense from any power 5 land USA needs to be able to limit Horvath to 100 while selling out the back 7. If we were playing… Kansas state or Vandy or whoever and you told me .. well.. committing their back 7 to the pass would mean that Horvath would gain 220 yards, that team would be in as much trouble as I think we will be in against your offense … unless lambert is a miracle worker or you guys crap your pants (which I don’t expect) I am with flyfishinbeav I cannot undersell Tibesar's ability to crap the bed at all times and in all situations. We have two monster ILBs and will have two DEs, which will only be a tick or two below them. But even with those guys last year and (in all probability) a much better DT and at least (again, in all probability) one much better OLB, we finished 116th out of 127 teams at stopping the run last year. The team immediately behind us was Vandy and the team behind them was Kansas. Only Vandy, Kansas, Arizona and Minnesota finished with worse rushing defenses among Power Five teams. UL Monroe made our front seven look pathetic. Eastern Michigan posted a better rush defense. Same with powerhouse teams like Florida International and Texas State. We do great, when teams try to pass, because we have some very clever and deceptive blitz and coverage packages. But we have a real problem at stopping downhill running and that has been an issue for at least the past seven years. Having said all of that, Hamilcar Rashed, Jr., looked like he was too busy trying to not get hurt to play his position well, so despite the talent level probably dropping off in 2021 at OLB, I am hopeful that play on the edge will improve and teams won't be able to serially abuse the outside edge like they did last year. I have no idea, if we are going to trot out a serviceable DT. If we get production out of the DT and OLB positions, the front seven could be much improved and fun to watch. The safeties are both rock solid. Both corners are new, though. If one or the other corners do not pan, Oregon State could be in for trouble, even if the front seven is solid. Tibesar is a standard Big Ten defensive coach. He was getting burned early. So, he has transitioned to more nickel and dime, which leads to huge holes in the front seven that OCs are quick to exploit. I am hopeful that the pieces are this year for Tibesar to run more true 3-4 sets this year than in the two years previous. The last seven years, though, if we do not out-offense teams, we lose. That has been Oregon State football since '13. I am hoping for a return to the defenses that we saw before '13. Not real fair to Hamilcar. He was playing hurt the whole season and tried to play through it. He probably should have opted out of the season, but he was trying to be a team player.
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 4, 2021 15:32:26 GMT -8
Whether osu can slow down the Purdue running game will determine the game imo. Glad to see numerous osu d-linemen have put on weight since the spring....Sandburg at 293...Shippen at 298...Rawls at 290...Fa'amoe at 292 ...Lolohea up to 265 ...Reichner at 273...and Sio losing almost 20 pounds down to 347.
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