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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 27, 2021 22:32:51 GMT -8
Definitely pulling for Miss St. They earned their way to the NC plus their fans were great to all Beavs fans last year when we played at their place. I've stated it several times on here, but they were great in Omaha in '18 as well. Had a few great interactions with MSU fans. They are also a land grant school, and they offer much of the same areas of study as OSU. One conversation I had with a couple MSU fans over beers at Upstream was about the similarities between our univerities, and how ol miss is to them, what the quacks are to us.. Mississippi State is a Land-, Sea- and Space-Grant University. But Tennessee is the Land- and Sun-Grant University. And Vanderbilt is the Space-Grant University. Oregon State University is older than both Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt was founded in 1872 and originally named "The Central University of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South." The Methodist Episcopal Church, South are also called Southern Methodists. It was renamed Vanderbilt University after the great robber baron Cornelius Vanderbilt, the richest man in America, donated $1 million in 1873. The school's founder was Holland Nimmons McTyeire. McTyeire and Vanderbilt had both married women from Mobile, who were first cousins. It was hoped that Vanderbilt's donation would help to reunite the nation after the Civil War. Tennessee was seen to be the most anti-slavery of the 11 Confederate States, having rejoined the United States of America on July 24, 1866. The Southern Methodists severed ties with the school after losing the right to appoint trustees in a Tennessee Supreme Court case in 1914, which identified Vanderbilt as the true founder and not the Southern Methodists. The Southern Methodists refocused all of their efforts on Emory and Southern Methodist, rather than Vanderbilt. Mississippi State was founded in 1878 as Mississippi A&M. In 1932, Mississippi A&M became Mississippi State. |
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Post by markwbeaver on Jun 28, 2021 18:00:36 GMT -8
This is very interesting. In fact, the graves of four (I think is the number) Methodist bishops are right in the middle of the Vanderbilt campus, between the Divinity School and the Law School. But here's an even more remarkable connection. The very origins of Oregon State are closely tied to the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. They operated Corvallis College when it became a land grant institution in 1862. Apparently Beavers could root for Vanderbilt, citing shared Southern Methodist roots, or for Mississippi State, citing shared land-grant roots. Here's a link to the university history on the alumni website that gives lots of information on this in Chapters 2 and 3. www.osualum.com/s/359/16/interior.aspx?sid=359&gid=1001&pgid=549 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 29, 2021 12:39:12 GMT -8
This is very interesting. In fact, the graves of four (I think is the number) Methodist bishops are right in the middle of the Vanderbilt campus, between the Divinity School and the Law School. But here's an even more remarkable connection. The very origins of Oregon State are closely tied to the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. They operated Corvallis College when it became a land grant institution in 1862. Apparently Beavers could root for Vanderbilt, citing shared Southern Methodist roots, or for Mississippi State, citing shared land-grant roots. Here's a link to the university history on the alumni website that gives lots of information on this in Chapters 2 and 3. www.osualum.com/s/359/16/interior.aspx?sid=359&gid=1001&pgid=549The Southern Methodists operated Corvallis "College" beginning in 1861, but the "College" was more of a college prep/high school until 1867. On August 22, 1868, what would become Oregon State filed Articles of Incorporation. On October 27, 1868 Oregon State "Charter Day," the State of Oregon officially designated what would become Oregon State as Oregon's official Land-Grant University. Two days later, Oregon State accepted the designation to officially become Oregon's Land-Grant University. After General Oliver Otis Howard (who had lost an arm at Fair Oaks and who had helped to set up the Union's defensive position at Gettysburg) made a demand that the Nez Perce move to a smaller reservation in 1877 within 30 days, the Nez Perce massacred four settlers and injured a fifth to touch off the Nez Perce War. All weapons at what would become Oregon State were requisitioned by General Howard and used to pursue the Nez Perce to within 40 miles of the Canadian border, where Chief Joseph ultimately surrendered. Oregon State did not get its weapons back until the final 268 Nez Perce were moved from Oklahoma to their new reservation in 1885. After Oregon State started to re-arm, Senator Thomas E. Cauthorn passed the Location Act through both Houses in 1885 to allow the state to take over Oregon State from the Southern Methodists. The Location Act required the state to build what is now (still?) known as Benton Hall for $35,000.00. Work began on Benton Hall on August 17, 1887. Shortly thereafter, the Southern Methodists filed suit to maintain control of the University. Benton Hall was completed on July 2, 1888, at which point the state attempted to take over the University. Oregon State University moved to Benton Hall in 1889. At that point, the University was legally the property of the state, but the Southern Methodists maintained the suit until 1892, when it was finally dropped. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 29, 2021 18:47:53 GMT -8
O O Howard also set the Union's defensive position at Chancellorsville, when his corps was absolutely routed and pushed back several miles by Stonewall Jackson's surprise flanking movement. Later that night Jackson was mortally wounded by Confederate troops from North Carolina, who repeated that trick later in the war by also wounding James Longstreet.
Howard University is named in Howard's honor.
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 30, 2021 10:09:46 GMT -8
O O Howard also set the Union's defensive position at Chancellorsville, when his corps was absolutely routed and pushed back several miles by Stonewall Jackson's surprise flanking movement. Later that night Jackson was mortally wounded by Confederate troops from North Carolina, who repeated that trick later in the war by also wounding James Longstreet. Howard University is named in Howard's honor. ....as is Mt. Howard (the Wallowa Tram location). Just across the canyon of the Wallowa River (as it enters Wallowa Lake), stands the 1,400 foot higher peak: Chief Joseph Mountain. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 30, 2021 10:55:19 GMT -8
In Portland, Oregon, on the 150th Anniversary of Howard's acts of valor on June 1, 1862, while leading his troops at the Battle of Fair Oaks, a commemorative wreath was laid by the Oregon Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission at the site of General Howard's former residence in downtown Portland at the corner of SW 10th and Morrison. The month of June 2012 will be dedicated to Howard with a lecture and programs by the Oregon Civil War Sesquicentennial spotlighting General Howard's activities in Portland and at Fort Vancouver, Washington; and his post-war achievements at the Freedmen's Bureau, Howard University and Lincoln Memorial University and the Indian Wars. source: Wikipedia; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Otis_Howard |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 30, 2021 11:37:47 GMT -8
This is very interesting. In fact, the graves of four (I think is the number) Methodist bishops are right in the middle of the Vanderbilt campus, between the Divinity School and the Law School. But here's an even more remarkable connection. The very origins of Oregon State are closely tied to the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. They operated Corvallis College when it became a land grant institution in 1862. Apparently Beavers could root for Vanderbilt, citing shared Southern Methodist roots, or for Mississippi State, citing shared land-grant roots. Here's a link to the university history on the alumni website that gives lots of information on this in Chapters 2 and 3. www.osualum.com/s/359/16/interior.aspx?sid=359&gid=1001&pgid=549The Southern Methodists operated Corvallis "College" beginning in 1861, but the "College" was more of a college prep/high school until 1867. On August 22, 1868, what would become Oregon State filed Articles of Incorporation. On October 27, 1868 Oregon State "Charter Day," the State of Oregon officially designated what would become Oregon State as Oregon's official Land-Grant University. Two days later, Oregon State accepted the designation to officially become Oregon's Land-Grant University. After General Oliver Otis Howard (who had lost an arm at Fair Oaks and who had helped to set up the Union's defensive position at Gettysburg) made a demand that the Nez Perce move to a smaller reservation in 1877 within 30 days, the Nez Perce massacred four settlers and injured a fifth to touch off the Nez Perce War. All weapons at what would become Oregon State were requisitioned by General Howard and used to pursue the Nez Perce to within 40 miles of the Canadian border, where Chief Joseph ultimately surrendered. Oregon State did not get its weapons back until the final 268 Nez Perce were moved from Oklahoma to their new reservation in 1885. After Oregon State started to re-arm, Senator Thomas E. Cauthorn passed the Location Act through both Houses in 1885 to allow the state to take over Oregon State from the Southern Methodists. The Location Act required the state to build what is now (still?) known as Benton Hall for $35,000.00. Work began on Benton Hall on August 17, 1887. Shortly thereafter, the Southern Methodists filed suit to maintain control of the University. Benton Hall was completed on July 2, 1888, at which point the state attempted to take over the University. Oregon State University moved to Benton Hall in 1889. At that point, the University was legally the property of the state, but the Southern Methodists maintained the suit until 1892, when it was finally dropped.  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 30, 2021 13:00:17 GMT -8
O O Howard also set the Union's defensive position at Chancellorsville, when his corps was absolutely routed and pushed back several miles by Stonewall Jackson's surprise flanking movement. Later that night Jackson was mortally wounded by Confederate troops from North Carolina, who repeated that trick later in the war by also wounding James Longstreet. Howard University is named in Howard's honor. To be fair to Howard, General John Fulton Reynolds was supposed to move to Howard's right to become the right wing, but there was a communications foul-up between Joseph Hooker and Reynolds. Jackson was able to beat Reynolds to the spot and was able to hit Howard right at suppertime. Howard also believed General Daniel E. Sickles' report that Sickles had already defeated Jackson's corps and that Jackson was, in fact, retreating east-to-west. (Sickles had, in fact, annihilated Jackson's rear guard.) The 18th North Carolinia did, in fact, shoot and ultimately kill Stonewall Jackson in the night. Major John D. Barry, in charge after hearing that it was General Jackson said, "It's a damned Yankee trick! Fire!" If you are referring to Longstreet getting shot in the Battle of the Wilderness, I believe that Longstreet was shot by Virginians, not North Carolinians. It is crazy to me that both Jackson and Longstreet were shot by their men less than three miles apart in the Wilderness, after successful flank attacks, one year and four days (May 2, 1863, and May 6, 1864) apart from one another. And that both shootings basically saved the Union Army from two overwhelming defeats. (Both were tactical Confederate victories but the Confederates lost more men as a percentage than the Union did, which all set up the Union's ultimate victory in the American Civil War.) After the War, General Howard was named the Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau and was one of the primary drivers of Reconstruction from 1865-1874. He was also one of 10 people that helped found what would become Howard University in 1866. The University was named after him in 1867. And Howard served as Howard University's President from 1869-1874. A fun fact is that Kamala Harris is a Howard University graduate. |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jun 30, 2021 13:07:45 GMT -8
O O Howard also set the Union's defensive position at Chancellorsville, when his corps was absolutely routed and pushed back several miles by Stonewall Jackson's surprise flanking movement. Later that night Jackson was mortally wounded by Confederate troops from North Carolina, who repeated that trick later in the war by also wounding James Longstreet. Howard University is named in Howard's honor. To be fair to Howard, General John Fulton Reynolds was supposed to move to Howard's right to become the right wing, but there was a communications foul-up between Joseph Hooker and Reynolds. Jackson was able to beat Reynolds to the spot and was able to hit Howard right at suppertime. Howard also believed General Daniel E. Sickles' report that Sickles had already defeated Jackson's corps and that Jackson was, in fact, retreating east-to-west. (Sickles had, in fact, annihilated Jackson's rear guard.) The 18th North Carolinia did, in fact, shoot and ultimately kill Stonewall Jackson in the night. Major John D. Barry, in charge after hearing that it was General Jackson said, "It's a damned Yankee trick! Fire!" If you are referring to Longstreet getting shot in the Battle of the Wilderness, I believe that Longstreet was shot by Virginians, not North Carolinians. It is crazy to me that both Jackson and Longstreet were shot by their men less than three miles apart in the Wilderness, after successful flank attacks, one year and four days (May 2, 1863, and May 6, 1864) apart from one another. And that both shootings basically saved the Union Army from two overwhelming defeats. (Both were tactical Confederate victories but the Confederates lost more men as a percentage than the Union did, which all set up the Union's ultimate victory in the American Civil War.) After the War, General Howard was named the Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau and was one of the primary drivers of Reconstruction from 1865-1874. He was also one of 10 people that helped found what would become Howard University in 1866. The University was named after him in 1867. And Howard served as Howard University's President from 1869-1874. A fun fact is that Kamala Harris is a Howard University graduate. I found this read interesting til you added that last sentence.....nothing fun about that |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 30, 2021 13:38:59 GMT -8
To be fair to Howard, General John Fulton Reynolds was supposed to move to Howard's right to become the right wing, but there was a communications foul-up between Joseph Hooker and Reynolds. Jackson was able to beat Reynolds to the spot and was able to hit Howard right at suppertime. Howard also believed General Daniel E. Sickles' report that Sickles had already defeated Jackson's corps and that Jackson was, in fact, retreating east-to-west. (Sickles had, in fact, annihilated Jackson's rear guard.) The 18th North Carolinia did, in fact, shoot and ultimately kill Stonewall Jackson in the night. Major John D. Barry, in charge after hearing that it was General Jackson said, "It's a damned Yankee trick! Fire!" If you are referring to Longstreet getting shot in the Battle of the Wilderness, I believe that Longstreet was shot by Virginians, not North Carolinians. It is crazy to me that both Jackson and Longstreet were shot by their men less than three miles apart in the Wilderness, after successful flank attacks, one year and four days (May 2, 1863, and May 6, 1864) apart from one another. And that both shootings basically saved the Union Army from two overwhelming defeats. (Both were tactical Confederate victories but the Confederates lost more men as a percentage than the Union did, which all set up the Union's ultimate victory in the American Civil War.) After the War, General Howard was named the Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau and was one of the primary drivers of Reconstruction from 1865-1874. He was also one of 10 people that helped found what would become Howard University in 1866. The University was named after him in 1867. And Howard served as Howard University's President from 1869-1874. A fun fact is that Kamala Harris is a Howard University graduate. I found this read interesting til you added that last sentence.....nothing fun about that   |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 30, 2021 15:13:28 GMT -8
To be fair to Howard, General John Fulton Reynolds was supposed to move to Howard's right to become the right wing, but there was a communications foul-up between Joseph Hooker and Reynolds. Jackson was able to beat Reynolds to the spot and was able to hit Howard right at suppertime. Howard also believed General Daniel E. Sickles' report that Sickles had already defeated Jackson's corps and that Jackson was, in fact, retreating east-to-west. (Sickles had, in fact, annihilated Jackson's rear guard.) The 18th North Carolinia did, in fact, shoot and ultimately kill Stonewall Jackson in the night. Major John D. Barry, in charge after hearing that it was General Jackson said, "It's a damned Yankee trick! Fire!" If you are referring to Longstreet getting shot in the Battle of the Wilderness, I believe that Longstreet was shot by Virginians, not North Carolinians. It is crazy to me that both Jackson and Longstreet were shot by their men less than three miles apart in the Wilderness, after successful flank attacks, one year and four days (May 2, 1863, and May 6, 1864) apart from one another. And that both shootings basically saved the Union Army from two overwhelming defeats. (Both were tactical Confederate victories but the Confederates lost more men as a percentage than the Union did, which all set up the Union's ultimate victory in the American Civil War.) After the War, General Howard was named the Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau and was one of the primary drivers of Reconstruction from 1865-1874. He was also one of 10 people that helped found what would become Howard University in 1866. The University was named after him in 1867. And Howard served as Howard University's President from 1869-1874. A fun fact is that Kamala Harris is a Howard University graduate. I found this read interesting til you added that last sentence.....nothing fun about that  |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 30, 2021 15:18:12 GMT -8
To be fair to Howard, General John Fulton Reynolds was supposed to move to Howard's right to become the right wing, but there was a communications foul-up between Joseph Hooker and Reynolds. Jackson was able to beat Reynolds to the spot and was able to hit Howard right at suppertime. Howard also believed General Daniel E. Sickles' report that Sickles had already defeated Jackson's corps and that Jackson was, in fact, retreating east-to-west. (Sickles had, in fact, annihilated Jackson's rear guard.) The 18th North Carolinia did, in fact, shoot and ultimately kill Stonewall Jackson in the night. Major John D. Barry, in charge after hearing that it was General Jackson said, "It's a damned Yankee trick! Fire!" If you are referring to Longstreet getting shot in the Battle of the Wilderness, I believe that Longstreet was shot by Virginians, not North Carolinians. It is crazy to me that both Jackson and Longstreet were shot by their men less than three miles apart in the Wilderness, after successful flank attacks, one year and four days (May 2, 1863, and May 6, 1864) apart from one another. And that both shootings basically saved the Union Army from two overwhelming defeats. (Both were tactical Confederate victories but the Confederates lost more men as a percentage than the Union did, which all set up the Union's ultimate victory in the American Civil War.) After the War, General Howard was named the Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau and was one of the primary drivers of Reconstruction from 1865-1874. He was also one of 10 people that helped found what would become Howard University in 1866. The University was named after him in 1867. And Howard served as Howard University's President from 1869-1874. A fun fact is that Kamala Harris is a Howard University graduate. I found this read interesting til you added that last sentence.....nothing fun about that Nothing fun about your extended ellipses ............................  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2021 17:14:46 GMT -8
Vanderbilt playing like Gloria Vanderbilt.
9-0 MSU
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Post by ag87 on Jun 30, 2021 17:34:39 GMT -8
Vanderbilt playing like Gloria Vanderbilt. 9-0 MSU I like Anderson Cooper, Gloria Vanderbilt's son. About a year ago, he got a son. It's not a traditional thing as he is gay and single. He has said the baby is biologically his. Anyway, I watched when he was interviewing Spike Lee. They were laughing and Cooper said something like he was worried about teaching his son how to throw and catch. Cooper said his Dad was terrible at it and he (Cooper) could not throw a baseball across the room, let alone catch it. So Lee said he will be a regular guest in their home and will teach the baby (Wyatt) all about catching, throwing and baseball. It was very funny. You could see Cooper was relieved and happy. It was like he had solved one future problem. |
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Post by messi on Jun 30, 2021 18:07:12 GMT -8
Well Mississippi State wins it, and the Beavers remain the only team to have won 3 national titles since the tournament field expanded to 64 teams.
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