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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 16, 2021 17:09:47 GMT -8
Olympic class athletes are not "average" Americans or Mexicans. Then, I will take door #2, and we'll just call you a racist?  Mexicans consume more fish than Americans on average and almost as much chicken. Pork tends to be available in smaller quantities and beef in even smaller quantities. I am more or less commenting on the availability of various types of meat in Mexico. Merry Christmas to you too. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 16, 2021 18:48:25 GMT -8
Was the test a surprise? If it was known that pork shows up in your system and you knew you had a test the next day, then that's on you. Order the shrimp burrito next time. The test was an out-of-competition test. Such testing can be conducted with no or little notice. It is unclear whether she knew about it 10 hours beforehand. According to Shelby Houlihan, she ordered beef, but she received a pork burrito. Everyone she was with said that the burrito was a pork burrito. However, Shelby also said that she did not know that there could be nandrolone in pork at the time anyway. Women naturally produce nandrolone in higher (2-3 times) concentrations than men. 5 ng/ml is a tiny amount of nandrolone. That is actually near the low end of the range that a female can "fail" a drug test for nandrolone. And she was tested the next month and had no nandrolone. It sounds like garbage to me. Also, shrimp is very unhealthy, even moreso than pork. Oh? She ordered beef? Well hell then, that changes everything! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 16, 2021 18:49:52 GMT -8
If a pork burrito can single-handedley cause a failed drug test wouldn’t you think that the Mexican Olympic team would have numerous women regularly failing their out-of-competition drug tests? Or is it too stereotypical to surmise that Mexican athletes might consume more pork burritos than athletes training in Portland, OR USA? The average American eats almost three times as much pork as the average Mexican. So there should at least be 1/3 of the failed tests in Mexico! |
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Post by irimi on Jun 16, 2021 20:23:29 GMT -8
Olympic class athletes are not "average" Americans or Mexicans. Then, I will take door #2, and we'll just call you a racist? Mexicans consume more fish than Americans on average and almost as much chicken. Pork tends to be available in smaller quantities and beef in even smaller quantities. I am more or less commenting on the availability of various types of meat in Mexico. Just about every country’s peoples eat more fish than Americans. We are the pickiest eaters ever! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 17, 2021 8:57:22 GMT -8
Then, I will take door #2, and we'll just call you a racist? Mexicans consume more fish than Americans on average and almost as much chicken. Pork tends to be available in smaller quantities and beef in even smaller quantities. I am more or less commenting on the availability of various types of meat in Mexico. Just about every country’s peoples eat more fish than Americans. We are the pickiest eaters ever! Many of our waterways are polluted beyond belief. Maybe we don't eat as much as others because three-eyed fish are harder to catch. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 17, 2021 9:32:39 GMT -8
The test was an out-of-competition test. Such testing can be conducted with no or little notice. It is unclear whether she knew about it 10 hours beforehand. According to Shelby Houlihan, she ordered beef, but she received a pork burrito. Everyone she was with said that the burrito was a pork burrito. However, Shelby also said that she did not know that there could be nandrolone in pork at the time anyway. Women naturally produce nandrolone in higher (2-3 times) concentrations than men. 5 ng/ml is a tiny amount of nandrolone. That is actually near the low end of the range that a female can "fail" a drug test for nandrolone. And she was tested the next month and had no nandrolone. It sounds like garbage to me. Also, shrimp is very unhealthy, even moreso than pork. If a pork burrito can single-handedley cause a failed drug test wouldn’t you think that the Mexican Olympic team would have numerous women regularly failing their out-of-competition drug tests? Or is it too stereotypical to surmise that Mexican athletes might consume more pork burritos than athletes training in Portland, OR USA? Were - that comes across as racist. I don't think you meant it that way. As someone who has lived in Mexico, both in the sierras (Puebla) and the Pacific coast (Ensenada), you have to go to look for pork. There are probably 10 places were you can buy beef for every one place that you can buy carnitas (pork). |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 17, 2021 10:08:43 GMT -8
If a pork burrito can single-handedley cause a failed drug test wouldn’t you think that the Mexican Olympic team would have numerous women regularly failing their out-of-competition drug tests? Or is it too stereotypical to surmise that Mexican athletes might consume more pork burritos than athletes training in Portland, OR USA? Were - that comes across as racist. I don't think you meant it that way. As someone who has lived in Mexico, both in the sierras (Puebla) and the Pacific coast (Ensenada), you have to go to look for pork. There are probably 10 places were you can buy beef for every one place that you can buy carnitas (pork). “Mexican” is not a “race”. It’s a nationality. That’s an important distinction. If you’ve lived in Mexico you should know that. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 17, 2021 10:14:04 GMT -8
Were - that comes across as racist. I don't think you meant it that way. As someone who has lived in Mexico, both in the sierras (Puebla) and the Pacific coast (Ensenada), you have to go to look for pork. There are probably 10 places were you can buy beef for every one place that you can buy carnitas (pork). “Mexican” is not a “race”. It’s a nationality. That’s an important distinction. If you’ve lived in Mexico you should know that. You are free to justify all you want. |
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Post by seastape on Jun 17, 2021 10:38:25 GMT -8
The test was an out-of-competition test. Such testing can be conducted with no or little notice. It is unclear whether she knew about it 10 hours beforehand. According to Shelby Houlihan, she ordered beef, but she received a pork burrito. Everyone she was with said that the burrito was a pork burrito. However, Shelby also said that she did not know that there could be nandrolone in pork at the time anyway. Women naturally produce nandrolone in higher (2-3 times) concentrations than men. 5 ng/ml is a tiny amount of nandrolone. That is actually near the low end of the range that a female can "fail" a drug test for nandrolone. And she was tested the next month and had no nandrolone. It sounds like garbage to me. Also, shrimp is very unhealthy, even moreso than pork. If a pork burrito can single-handedley cause a failed drug test wouldn’t you think that the Mexican Olympic team would have numerous women regularly failing their out-of-competition drug tests? Or is it too stereotypical to surmise that Mexican athletes might consume more pork burritos than athletes training in Portland, OR USA? I don't know if they eat more pork burritos in Mexico vs. the US, but pork is present in a lot of what is the panoply of American cuisine … bacon, sausage, pulled pork sandwiches, pork loin, pork tenderloin, pork shoulder, pork chops, pork butt, pork knuckle, sweet and sour pork, and probably a whole lot more stuff that I can't think of off the top of my head right now.
I would guess that plenty of athletes eat plenty of pork. I'm not buying that this athlete tested positive by eating one pork burrito.
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Post by escott58 on Jun 17, 2021 10:42:19 GMT -8
The nandrolone/boar theory has a lot research done on it already - the following is an abstract and there are links to other articles: NIH Article on nandrolone metabolites from boar consumption
In another article, she said she never heard of nandrolone. Even if she did know about it and ate the food knowing it contained nandrolone, it's a "commonly" available food. So what if she ate boar offal! Is the WADA going to start telling them not to eat steak (from a bull) and eggs now? They're making an example of her for, in my opinion, no good reason except "control". |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 17, 2021 10:58:32 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Jun 17, 2021 12:46:12 GMT -8
The nandrolone/boar theory has a lot research done on it already - the following is an abstract and there are links to other articles: NIH Article on nandrolone metabolites from boar consumption
In another article, she said she never heard of nandrolone. Even if she did know about it and ate the food knowing it contained nandrolone, it's a "commonly" available food. So what if she ate boar offal! Is the WADA going to start telling them not to eat steak (from a bull) and eggs now? They're making an example of her for, in my opinion, no good reason except "control". Okay...I just posted that I didn't believe that the female athlete could turn positive because of a pork burrito. Yet the first article says that eating 310 grams (about 11 ounces of pork) could register as high as 7.5 mcg/L, which can translate into 7.5 ng/mL, above the threshold of 5 ng/mL, which I believe is the threshold used in athletic testing.
Looks like I was wrong.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 17, 2021 12:53:51 GMT -8
The nandrolone/boar theory has a lot research done on it already - the following is an abstract and there are links to other articles: NIH Article on nandrolone metabolites from boar consumption
In another article, she said she never heard of nandrolone. Even if she did know about it and ate the food knowing it contained nandrolone, it's a "commonly" available food. So what if she ate boar offal! Is the WADA going to start telling them not to eat steak (from a bull) and eggs now? They're making an example of her for, in my opinion, no good reason except "control". Okay...I just posted that I didn't believe that the female athlete could turn positive because of a pork burrito. Yet the first article says that eating 310 grams (about 11 ounces of pork) could register as high as 7.5 mcg/L, which can translate into 7.5 ng/mL, above the threshold of 5 ng/mL, which I believe is the threshold used in athletic testing.
Looks like I was wrong.
Huh. Interesting. I still don't believe her. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 17, 2021 12:58:57 GMT -8
If a pork burrito can single-handedley cause a failed drug test wouldn’t you think that the Mexican Olympic team would have numerous women regularly failing their out-of-competition drug tests? Or is it too stereotypical to surmise that Mexican athletes might consume more pork burritos than athletes training in Portland, OR USA? I don't know if they eat more pork burritos in Mexico vs. the US, but pork is present in a lot of what is the panoply of American cuisine … bacon, sausage, pulled pork sandwiches, pork loin, pork tenderloin, pork shoulder, pork chops, pork butt, pork knuckle, sweet and sour pork, and probably a whole lot more stuff that I can't think of off the top of my head right now.
I would guess that plenty of athletes eat plenty of pork. I'm not buying that this athlete tested positive by eating one pork burrito.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 17, 2021 13:09:38 GMT -8
Okay...I just posted that I didn't believe that the female athlete could turn positive because of a pork burrito. Yet the first article says that eating 310 grams (about 11 ounces of pork) could register as high as 7.5 mcg/L, which can translate into 7.5 ng/mL, above the threshold of 5 ng/mL, which I believe is the threshold used in athletic testing.
Looks like I was wrong.
Huh. Interesting. I still don't believe her. It cleared from her system too quickly for it to be anything but oral consumption. I still don't get why a female middle distance runner who is not trying to build muscle mass would be taking nandrolone. It does not make any sense to me. |
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