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Post by qbeaver on Jun 5, 2021 20:20:34 GMT -8
I'm in the camp that Canham and staff are a work in progress. The team obviously didn't have the star power it had with Adley,Nick,Cadyn,etc. I totally get that. The questions I have are related to expectations of the players and attention to detail of those expectations. Every player needs to be expected to be able to lay a bunt down and work to give the coaches confidence every player can do it. Put in the work!!!!
I too wonder if the amount of free passes we gave up could have been corrected by our pitching coach. Where a player releases the ball.where they plant their front foot...just trying to correct something that would give a player more accuracy. I don't know with Abel what Tommy John surgery does to a pitcher that changes what he does. He obviously is a different pitcher than he was as a frosh. Are his issues correctable? Idk
Next year we will have some very solid players and surely some recruits added who don't sign with MLB. I'm giving Mitch and staff next year and 2023 to put his imprint on this program. College baseball is far from minor league baseball in its strategies. Didn't expect the 2021 beavs to be Omaha bound with this roster. I feel I'm realistic. Get some experience in 2021,and come back strong in 2022 a better smarter team and staff. That is my expectation.
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Post by grackle on Jun 5, 2021 20:28:34 GMT -8
It's beyond "Mitch isn't the guy" with him. He's minimized Canham's professional coaching experience and success from the get-go, and never missed a chance to criticize following every loss. I think time will prove that Mitch was an outstanding choice and yes, it won't be forgotten who bad-mouthed the choice from the start. I never said boo about Mitch being Casey's choice. But Casey deserved the opportunity to have considerable input, if not the final say, over who succeeded him. He chose Mitch. I'd like to think Pat had good reasons for promoting Mitch's candidacy. And know Pat knows more about what it takes to be a successful coach than I do. I'm pretty sure that applies to Grackle and everyone else on this site. It matters not if it was baseball luck that DBU scored only once despite the walks. As always, what matters is what happened, not what could have happened, or what didn't happen. And those walks did not seriously hurt us. I've watched a ton of NCAA baseball today. I've seen very few sac bunts. We scored 10 runs today without benefit of a sac bunt, and even gave away two outs in a 5-run inning by messing up bunts. For the most part bunts are free outs for the other team. Henry--True enough...I never liked the MC hire from the outset and, at least to my eye, MC has hardly progressed much as a college coach during this season. However, your post implies that I didn't like him from the start and never would have approved of MC no matter what he did. Well...you're bloody dead wrong about that. If Mitch had shown any clear indication that he was really learning, I'd have been the first to admit that I was wrong and that Mitch was the guy after all. But instead I see a coach with little to no knowledge of detailed strategy in the college game, little idea of how to use his relievers, little to no idea of how to put together a consistent lineup, little idea of batting strategy, etc. etc. And, most importantly, a coach that far too frequently during the season cost his team critical victories in the late innings. So cool your jets. Just because other texters don't agree with your take hardly means they're unreasonable, or wrong, or pig-headed. It just means they don't agree with you. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 5, 2021 20:36:01 GMT -8
Amazing we accomplished this much, with a coach who has no idea of strategy, no idea how to use a bullpen, or compose a lineup, or stupidly thought his fifth-year All-American reliever could close out games, etc. Must be all that high-level draftable talent we have.
I believe ardent anti-Mitch posters like yourself are the ones in the minority, not me.
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Post by chinmusic on Jun 5, 2021 20:41:22 GMT -8
I am reasonably sure Kevin Abel is done with college baseball, but the door may not be closed since he has more eligibility left. If the scouting reports being looked at by by the MLB club's Directors of Scouting and G.M.s, reflect what I think they do, Kevin's stock has slipped to a point that he may choose not to sign for what he is being offered.
As the season progressed, Kevin continued to struggle with command and that is a black mark with the MLB Scout. Add that to his age (23) and the red flag on his file (Tommy John surgery).and you have a formula for high risk. He might prefer working on his fastball and command in the friendly environment of Oregon State as opposed to bouncing around the low minor leagues in a place like Pulaski, VA.
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 5, 2021 20:49:57 GMT -8
I'm not a Mitch hater...just feel like he is adjusting to the way to coach at the college level. Just can't remember a year where we gave up so many free passes by our pitchers watching osu baseball forever. He still has a lot to prove in my mind. I guess too,I never questioned Pat Casey...when you have won 3 titles,you get the benefit of the doubt. We are all analyzing and over analyzing Mitch because he doesn't have the history of winning big at osu yet.
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Post by chinmusic on Jun 5, 2021 21:04:35 GMT -8
I'm confused. I could swear I've seen the Beavers 1) sacrifice to advance a runner, 2) hit and run, 3) squeeze a runner home, 3) steal, 4) run a 1st and 3ed delayed steal, 5) drag for a base hit, 5) take te extra base, 6) work the count for a BB, 7) take one for the team to draw a HBP, etc.
Am I dreaming?
Small Ball, Inside ball (inside the diamond), Little Ball (Billy Martin) . . . .call it what you will, but I think we have done some of that this year. If you want a steady diet of that, attend a Lady Beavers softball game.
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Post by grackle on Jun 5, 2021 21:44:21 GMT -8
Amazing we accomplished this much, with a coach who has no idea of strategy, no idea how to use a bullpen, or compose a lineup, or stupidly thought his fifth-year All-American reliever could close out games, etc. Must be all that high-level draftable talent we have. I believe ardent anti-Mitch posters like yourself are the ones in the minority, not me. And you're probably right this time....I likely am in the minority re MC. But I couldn't care less....'never went along with the crowd just because there was a crowd. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2021 13:38:55 GMT -8
Pretty much a Jekyll and Hyde season ! Brief moments of brilliance from the three legged stool ( pitching, hitting and defense ). Then, total collapses in other moments throughout the season ! At the beginning of the season, they put the wrong guys on the field . Then, realizing this, wholesale changes were made, game to game, rather than tweaking to fine tune the situation ! Took them too long to get Melton, Fuchs, Meckler and Forrester into the lineup- and we had no ( or very little ), offensive strategy to deal with our ineffective pitching starts , early in the games. Then, late in games, we suffered from a lack of a middle reliever that could be consistent ! This Beaver team proved, beyond a doubt, that statistics do lie ! Really a wasted year from most angles ! Making a regional final with a young team that played the final six weeks withoutd its best position player is a wasted year? It took about 48 hours for that take to not age well. |
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Post by shelby on Jun 6, 2021 13:53:15 GMT -8
Seems you are acting as though it is over already - I hope they do win it all ( of course ), but, let’s see if they can even get to a SUPER somewhere ! THAT would qualify as a decent run ...
But, go ahead and jump in line - everyone who is an alum and major contributor ( even during COVID ), should be able to express their own opinions !
Losing two series to the ducks ( one being a sweep ), does not leave a pleasant taste in anyone’s mouth !
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Post by 56chevy on Jun 6, 2021 13:57:20 GMT -8
Mitch has done the managerial equivalent of pulling a rabbit out of a hat with the lineup changes he made last Saturday against Stanford. Go back and look at who has produced this weekend. Any inference that he is not up to the job, or that it was a mistake to hire him is laughable.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2021 14:34:46 GMT -8
Seems you are acting as though it is over already - I hope they do win it all ( of course ), but, let’s see if they can even get to a SUPER somewhere ! THAT would qualify as a decent run ... But, go ahead and jump in line - everyone who is an alum and major contributor ( even during COVID ), should be able to express their own opinions ! Losing two series to the ducks ( one being a sweep ), does not leave a pleasant taste in anyone’s mouth ! It is over. By beating TCU we advanced to a regional final. You certainly are free to express your opinion, no matter what level you donate at, Covid or no Covid. But if it takes getting to a Super for you to consider it a "decent" season, you're going to be disappointed more often than not. Only 16 teams get to a Super, it's incredibly hard. The series against Oregon were played months ago. They don't matter at all now. Luckily the Beavers didn't dwell on those games either. Go back and look at who has produced this weekend.
Excellent point. In fact he probably was loyal to some veterans too long. The opposite of Pat Bailey in 2019 - I think Bailey lost that team when he benched Zak Taylor and Armstrong way too early when they struggled. Those guys really contributed in 2017-18 and had earned the benefit of the doubt when they struggled at the start of the season. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 6, 2021 14:36:24 GMT -8
Seems you are acting as though it is over already - I hope they do win it all ( of course ), but, let’s see if they can even get to a SUPER somewhere ! THAT would qualify as a decent run ... But, go ahead and jump in line - everyone who is an alum and major contributor ( even during COVID ), should be able to express their own opinions ! Losing two series to the ducks ( one being a sweep ), does not leave a pleasant taste in anyone’s mouth ! The ucks won 8 of their conference series. They have a very good team this year. Unfortunately, they may have found a real coach and not just a winner of the local hot dog eating contest. |
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Post by PhenomenalRob on Jun 6, 2021 15:10:46 GMT -8
Interesting thread. I don't post here much but enjoy reading others' thoughts. Regarding coaching, I personally thought that MC was a marquee hiring. He was advancing quickly in pro ball, and that experience lends credibility to high-schoolers dreaming of the big leagues.
I have coached a little, and believe that if the coach is competent he knows his squad better than we fans do, seeing them every day in practice and the clubhouse. I think MC is competent, so I don't question individual decisions like bunt vs swing away or whether to replace a pitcher. (Well, I do question them, but expect he knows more than I do.) (Like, why didn't Burns stay on the mound in the 8th today? MC had good reasons for pulling him, I'm sure. )
Regarding the players, we seemed like a fifth-place team to me. Neither over- nor under-performing. I thought the evolving lineup showed MC was willing and able to adapt.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2021 23:32:22 GMT -8
Interesting thread. I don't post here much but enjoy reading others' thoughts. Regarding coaching, I personally thought that MC was a marquee hiring. He was advancing quickly in pro ball, and that experience lends credibility to high-schoolers dreaming of the big leagues. I have coached a little, and believe that if the coach is competent he knows his squad better than we fans do, seeing them every day in practice and the clubhouse. I think MC is competent, so I don't question individual decisions like bunt vs swing away or whether to replace a pitcher. (Well, I do question them, but expect he knows more than I do.) (Like, why didn't Burns stay on the mound in the 8th today? MC had good reasons for pulling him, I'm sure. ) Regarding the players, we seemed like a fifth-place team to me. Neither over- nor under-performing. I thought the evolving lineup showed MC was willing and able to adapt. I believe that Burns was pulled because of two general rules. The first general rule is that you do not want the reliever to pitch to a player more than once. As he had pitched to seven, you would have made a mid-inning substitution to adhere to the general rule, which is suboptimal. The second general rule is that, if you want to throw a guy the next day, he should throw fewer than 50 pitches. More than that, and he should, generally, not be utilized the following day. So, basically, I believe that Mitchy Slick wants to throw Burns against Dallas Baptist in the Fort Worth Regional Championship Game. And the only way to really allow for that to happen was to pull Burns before he pitched another full inning. And it did not make sense for Burns to throw part of the following inning. Monday is the day that you throw everyone, who still has some life in their arm, not Sunday. You throw guys on Sunday to set up for Monday. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jun 7, 2021 4:25:12 GMT -8
All of my optimism is watered down by a terrifying phrase, "home plate umpire Greg Street" AYFKM!
Go Beavs!!
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