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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 5, 2021 15:21:16 GMT -8
Interesting comments, may I comment on a couple? I see some posters have the notion that we could have hired a marquee coach insttead of young MC. What I never see are two issues with that proclamation. 1) Who are these marquee coaches that might consider the OSU job? 2) Why would they consider OSU a plum? Yes, we have a great school, setting and tradition but every coach knows his security depends on his ability to meet the school's/fans expectations so winning is mandatory regardless of the other "attractions". 3) How will you compensate this marquee coach? First, marquee coaches are usually employed and most are earning more than OSU might be able to offer. I don't see a cash-strapped athletic department or a booster group that can afford a big $ coach. Arizona has an assistant coach that is in our guy's $ range. If those questions can be answered, it might help clear up this "marquee coach" thing. Yes, our team is inconsistent. Two facts might help explain some of that. 1) We had 3 Seniors on this team. 2) 37 squad members are eligible to retun in 2022. We are a young team. There is always a period of adjustment for a new coaching staff. Like with any job, you are more profient after doing it over a period of time. Our situation might have required more adjustment as a group of professional players and coaches adjusted to returning to the college game as coaches as opposed to being players. The program has high expectations yearly now. That's a good thing, but if expectations are not met, realistic or not, fans get antsy. Plus, we've had plenty of heart breaking losses that were more of the "choking in big moments" variety then just flat out getting beat by a better team......it's a mental game, and sometimes teams are mentally tough, sometimes not.....I would say an example of a NOT mentally tough team would be the Gators in their regional.....I'm hoping our mental meltdowns are more a product of youth, and will be addressed moving forward. Good coaching staffs get their players to believe.....see Pat Casey.....and we've seen it happen with this team too. They've shown resiliency at times. I don't see too much call to dump Canham on here, but I've seen plenty on other forms of social media. It's ridiculous. We need a few more seasons of data to see how MC's recruiting and development work out. And pining for what could've been with Yeskie is a waste of time. We have MC for better or worse. Next season will be a big one for Coach Dorman, imo. He will have a stable of talented arms, and we should rank near the top of the conference in pitching......will the free passes get cleaned up? Will the staff live up to expectations? I honestly feel like moving on from Abel will be healthy for the staff..... I love the heat on Dorman when we had the lowest team ERA in the PAC 12. Yes, we need to clean up the free passes, but the staff was not as bad as everyone on this board seems to think. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 5, 2021 15:29:45 GMT -8
The program has high expectations yearly now. That's a good thing, but if expectations are not met, realistic or not, fans get antsy. Plus, we've had plenty of heart breaking losses that were more of the "choking in big moments" variety then just flat out getting beat by a better team......it's a mental game, and sometimes teams are mentally tough, sometimes not.....I would say an example of a NOT mentally tough team would be the Gators in their regional.....I'm hoping our mental meltdowns are more a product of youth, and will be addressed moving forward. Good coaching staffs get their players to believe.....see Pat Casey.....and we've seen it happen with this team too. They've shown resiliency at times. I don't see too much call to dump Canham on here, but I've seen plenty on other forms of social media. It's ridiculous. We need a few more seasons of data to see how MC's recruiting and development work out. And pining for what could've been with Yeskie is a waste of time. We have MC for better or worse. Next season will be a big one for Coach Dorman, imo. He will have a stable of talented arms, and we should rank near the top of the conference in pitching......will the free passes get cleaned up? Will the staff live up to expectations? I honestly feel like moving on from Abel will be healthy for the staff..... I love the heat on Dorman when we had the lowest team ERA in the PAC 12. Yes, we need to clean up the free passes, but the staff was not as bad as everyone on this board seems to think. I'm not sure people on here are saying we have a bad staff. Maybe frustration over the meltdowns at the worst times. I think what's being said is the free passes cost us many games, and consequently important series......it's not opinion. We all saw it happen. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 5, 2021 15:31:08 GMT -8
The program has high expectations yearly now. That's a good thing, but if expectations are not met, realistic or not, fans get antsy. Plus, we've had plenty of heart breaking losses that were more of the "choking in big moments" variety then just flat out getting beat by a better team......it's a mental game, and sometimes teams are mentally tough, sometimes not.....I would say an example of a NOT mentally tough team would be the Gators in their regional.....I'm hoping our mental meltdowns are more a product of youth, and will be addressed moving forward. Good coaching staffs get their players to believe.....see Pat Casey.....and we've seen it happen with this team too. They've shown resiliency at times. I don't see too much call to dump Canham on here, but I've seen plenty on other forms of social media. It's ridiculous. We need a few more seasons of data to see how MC's recruiting and development work out. And pining for what could've been with Yeskie is a waste of time. We have MC for better or worse. Next season will be a big one for Coach Dorman, imo. He will have a stable of talented arms, and we should rank near the top of the conference in pitching......will the free passes get cleaned up? Will the staff live up to expectations? I honestly feel like moving on from Abel will be healthy for the staff..... I love the heat on Dorman when we had the lowest team ERA in the PAC 12. Yes, we need to clean up the free passes, but the staff was not as bad as everyone on this board seems to think. Dorman's first regional: 18 combined BBs and HBPs so far. Yeskie's first Tucson Regional: 0 combined BBs and HBPs so far. In 2019, Oregon State allowed 219 BBs and HBPs, 3.84/game. Nate Yeskie left a great pitching staff. The coaching staff, though? In 2021, 302 BBs and HBPs, 5.21/game. That is almost 1.5 more free passes every game. Ridiculous! The jury is still out, but I am currently very underwhelmed with Dorman. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 5, 2021 15:35:28 GMT -8
I love the heat on Dorman when we had the lowest team ERA in the PAC 12. Yes, we need to clean up the free passes, but the staff was not as bad as everyone on this board seems to think. Dorman's first regional: 18 combined BBs and HBPs so far. Yeskie's first Tucson Regional: 0 combined BBs and HBPs so far. In 2019, Oregon State allowed 219 BBs and HBPs. Nate Yeskie left a great pitching staff. The coaching staff, though? In 2021, 302 BBs and HBPs, almost two more a game. The jury is still out, but I am currently very underwhelmed. You and Yeskie need to get a room. You really think Dorman is teaching our staff to walk people? Dorman’s team ERA 1st. Yeskie’s team ERA 5th. And no, Yeskie did not recruit our whole staff. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 5, 2021 15:52:46 GMT -8
Dorman's first regional: 18 combined BBs and HBPs so far. Yeskie's first Tucson Regional: 0 combined BBs and HBPs so far. In 2019, Oregon State allowed 219 BBs and HBPs. Nate Yeskie left a great pitching staff. The coaching staff, though? In 2021, 302 BBs and HBPs, almost two more a game. The jury is still out, but I am currently very underwhelmed. You and Yeskie need to get a room. You really think Dorman is teaching our staff to walk people? Dorman’s team ERA 1st. Yeskie’s team ERA 5th. And no, Yeskie did not recruit our whole staff. By innings pitched: Abel Yeskie
Hjerpe Yeskie
Frisch Yeskie
Pfennigs Yeskie
Washburn Yeskie
Mulholland Yeskie
Bryant Salgado and Brock Townsend are the only two players who have thrown more than 20 innings I believe that Yeskie did not recruit.
Whole staff might be a smidge of an overstatement but is pretty accurate.
I feel compelled to conclude by asserting that I am personally opposed to your homophobic comment.
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Post by steinlager on Jun 5, 2021 15:54:37 GMT -8
This year's pitching staff has had relatively few injuries which isn't just random.
In Yeskie's last year, 2019, we lost a bunch of guys during the season and had no depth by seasons end.
Too late Nate coached some great pitchers at OSU but lots of injuries because he didn't let enough guys throw an inning or two like Dorman does.
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Post by badwack on Jun 5, 2021 16:00:53 GMT -8
Way too early to scream for MC job. Yep he made some bone head decisions. Yep we folded on a couple occasions when he should have stepped and stopped the bleeding. The judgement on this team should be made on what progress if any did we make on the field. Are we a better Hitting team today? Are we a better Pitching Team today? I think the honest answers have to be no! To MC credit we are a decent defending team even with all the changes in the lineup. That is to his credit.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 5, 2021 16:03:12 GMT -8
You and Yeskie need to get a room. You really think Dorman is teaching our staff to walk people? Dorman’s team ERA 1st. Yeskie’s team ERA 5th. And no, Yeskie did not recruit our whole staff. By innings pitched: Abel Yeskie
Hjerpe Yeskie
Frisch Yeskie
Pfennigs Yeskie
Washburn Yeskie
Mulholland Yeskie
Bryant Salgado and Brock Townsend are the only two players who have thrown more than 20 innings I believe that Yeskie did not recruit.
Whole staff might be a smidge of an overstatement but is pretty accurate.
I feel compelled to conclude by asserting that I am personally opposed to your homophobic comment.
You obviously don’t know who the lead recruiter was for most of those players. It wasn’t Yeskie. And, my comment is not homophobic. You can just get together with Nate and play some checkers for all I care. |
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Post by grackle on Jun 5, 2021 17:30:40 GMT -8
I remain amazed at how many here are more than eager to excuse the MC/Dorman duo for their absolutely amateurish performance this season. For example, just consider yesterday's loss to the DB....Canham doesn't know, or understand, the value/multiple facets of the short game in college ball (and I could go on [and on]).... and Dorman....he is here why?? To leave guy in in the NCAA opener so he could walk eight batters in 2+ innings??
The simple fact is that neither MC nor Dorman were ever qualified to take over OSU baseball in 2019. I don't blame either Mitch or Dorman for taking their jobs....but I do blame the powers-that-be for hiring a head man with zero experience at coaching college ball and who obviously to this day still has limited, at best, coaching skills. This should never have been a job for someone who was going to have a steep learning curve. Nevertheless, that's just who we've gotten.
That said, we're all die-hard Beav baseball fans here and I absolutely hope that Canham, Dorman and the Beavs can play their way out of the losers bracket tomorrow.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 5, 2021 17:36:58 GMT -8
I remain amazed at how many here are more than eager to excuse the MC/Dorman duo for their absolutely amateurish performance this season. For example, just consider yesterday's loss to the DB....Canham doesn't know, or understand, the value/multiple facets of the short game in college ball (and I could go on [and on]).... and Dorman....he is here why?? To leave guy in in the NCAA opener so he could walk eight batters in 2+ innings?? The simple fact is that neither MC nor Dorman were ever qualified to take over OSU baseball in 2019. I don't blame either Mitch or Dorman for taking their jobs....but I do blame the powers-that-be for hiring a head man with zero experience at coaching college ball and who obviously to this day still has limited, at best, coaching skills. This should never have been a job for someone who was going to have a steep learning curve. Nevertheless, that's just who we've gotten. That said, we're all die-hard Beav baseball fans here and I absolutely hope that Canham, Dorman and the Beavs can play their way out of the losers bracket tomorrow. You do realize that Pat Casey most certainly had a big say in who took over the program, right? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 5, 2021 17:37:49 GMT -8
I remain amazed at how many here are more than eager to excuse the MC/Dorman duo for their absolutely amateurish performance this season. For example, just consider yesterday's loss to the DB....Canham doesn't know, or understand, the value/multiple facets of the short game in college ball (and I could go on [and on]).... and Dorman....he is here why?? To leave guy in in the NCAA opener so he could walk eight batters in 2+ innings?? The simple fact is that neither MC nor Dorman were ever qualified to take over OSU baseball in 2019. I don't blame either Mitch or Dorman for taking their jobs....but I do blame the powers-that-be for hiring a head man with zero experience at coaching college ball and who obviously to this day still has limited, at best, coaching skills. This should never have been a job for someone who was going to have a steep learning curve. Nevertheless, that's just who we've gotten. That said, we're all die-hard Beav baseball fans here and I absolutely hope that Canham, Dorman and the Beavs can play their way out of the losers bracket tomorrow. So MC doesn’t get any credit for inserting Dernedde today? You know, the guy who had 6 RBI’s? I’m not ready to say MC is a great coach, but it’s also ridiculous to pass judgment on any coaches after just over 1 year of coaching. After year 3 maybe, but not yet. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 5, 2021 19:04:26 GMT -8
Yes, making the NCAA tournament and finishing, at the very least, in the final 48 with a team with precious little top-flight talent is an "absolutely amateurish performance." This team has less position-player talent than any OSU team since 2004.
Abel's walks led to exactly one run. And please, join the 21st century in baseball. The "short game" is about as relevant as the dodo bird.
And we know you absolutely want Canham to fail. You've disliked him from the get-go.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 5, 2021 19:31:28 GMT -8
Yes, making the NCAA tournament and finishing, at the very least, in the final 48 with a team with precious little top-flight talent is an "absolutely amateurish performance." This team has less position-player talent than any OSU team since 2004. Abel's walks led to exactly one run. And please, join the 21st century in baseball. The "short game" is about as relevant as the dodo bird. And we know you absolutely want Canham to fail. You've disliked him from the get-go. That’s just dumb. Of course he doesn’t want us to fail. Why can’t he just have his opinion that Mitch isn’t the guy? You could rub it in for years to come if he turns out to be great. Also, regarding the comment about Canham being Casey’s pick. No one is allowed to question if it’s a good move or not? Hogwash! I’m not sure MC is the right guy either. I love the Beavers. I want the best fir them in everything. I hope to be as wrong as I was about picking Leaf over Manning!!! By the way, the fact that those walks only accounted for one run was damn good baseball luck!! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 5, 2021 19:48:04 GMT -8
Yes, making the NCAA tournament and finishing, at the very least, in the final 48 with a team with precious little top-flight talent is an "absolutely amateurish performance." This team has less position-player talent than any OSU team since 2004. Abel's walks led to exactly one run. And please, join the 21st century in baseball. The "short game" is about as relevant as the dodo bird. And we know you absolutely want Canham to fail. You've disliked him from the get-go. Short game is very relevant in college ball |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 5, 2021 19:49:35 GMT -8
It's beyond "Mitch isn't the guy" with him. He's minimized Canham's professional coaching experience and success from the get-go, and never missed a chance to criticize following every loss. I think time will prove that Mitch was an outstanding choice and yes, it won't be forgotten who bad-mouthed the choice from the start.
I never said boo about Mitch being Casey's choice. But Casey deserved the opportunity to have considerable input, if not the final say, over who succeeded him. He chose Mitch. I'd like to think Pat had good reasons for promoting Mitch's candidacy. And know Pat knows more about what it takes to be a successful coach than I do. I'm pretty sure that applies to Grackle and everyone else on this site.
It matters not if it was baseball luck that DBU scored only once despite the walks. As always, what matters is what happened, not what could have happened, or what didn't happen. And those walks did not seriously hurt us.
I've watched a ton of NCAA baseball today. I've seen very few sac bunts. We scored 10 runs today without benefit of a sac bunt, and even gave away two outs in a 5-run inning by messing up bunts. For the most part bunts are free outs for the other team.
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