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Post by giantkillers83 on May 20, 2021 18:01:14 GMT -8
Making the regionals and world series mostly every year in baseball and winning THREE World Series in baseball does in fact make a college baseball team, ELITE. Also I’m no pond bird football fan. I’m super passionate die hard beavs fan that doesn’t stand for mediocrity losing bulls%#t in baseball, basketball or football. I expect the beavs to be winners in all three sports!! No excuses for losing for a elite baseball program such as ours! Pat Casey took the team to the World Series 6 times in his 24 seasons. If you count from 2005, it was 6 times in 13 years. Your "mostly every year" math is way off. And we will make the regionals this year.....Having an RPI of 21 is not mediocre. Ask the 270+ teams that are behind us in RPI. Umm don’t count a regional just yet. I think the next 6 games has a lot to do with it. Go 0-6.. 1-5.... maybe even 2-4.... and Beavs could be out looking in. This year.... doubt RPI and metrics weighs as much.... covid. |
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Post by grackle on May 21, 2021 6:05:41 GMT -8
Bottom line...neither Canham nor Dorman had any business taking over an NCAA baseball program, much less an elite program like OSU baseball. Both lack experience and judging by the consistentcy of their in-game management errors, IMO neither are likely to ever have the chops to be successful collegiate baseball coaches. No matter...we're undoubtedly stuck with them through at least the end of the 2022 season. The question is will the OSU administration have the courage to look elsewhere after next season. Don't hold your breath.. Did you say the same thing about Yeskie when PC hired him in 2009? Nate only had 3 years of coaching experience at UNLV, yet he got hired to an elite program. That’s the same number of years Dorman spent with Grand Canyon. Not to mention his 4 years coaching in the minors prior to his stint with GCU. So really, Dorman was equally if not more qualified to become the pitching coach at OSU than Nate Yeskie. Just a thought for you. I hear you...but there's a big difference between a hire by the most successful college baseball coach in recent history and a hire by an obviously semi-competent newbie. Loyalty is admirable -- to a point. Nevertheless, I remain amazed that so many posters here continue to ignore the very obvious reality that both Canham and Dorman are, at best, semi-competent. Neither belongs anywhere the OSU baseball program. |
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Post by beavermd on May 21, 2021 6:46:39 GMT -8
Did you say the same thing about Yeskie when PC hired him in 2009? Nate only had 3 years of coaching experience at UNLV, yet he got hired to an elite program. That’s the same number of years Dorman spent with Grand Canyon. Not to mention his 4 years coaching in the minors prior to his stint with GCU. So really, Dorman was equally if not more qualified to become the pitching coach at OSU than Nate Yeskie. Just a thought for you. I hear you...but there's a big difference between a hire by the most successful college baseball coach in recent history and a hire by an obviously semi-competent newbie. Loyalty is admirable -- to a point. Nevertheless, I remain amazed that so many posters here continue to ignore the very obvious reality that both Canham and Dorman are, at best, semi-competent. Neither belongs anywhere the OSU baseball program. Your insistence on the being the arbiter of truth when it comes to Canham and the baseball program is laughable. People much smarter than you and I deemed them fully competent to run baseball programs. The anti-Canham crowd acts like Mitch was handed a roster equivalent to the 2017/2018 teams and he’s the reason we’re not headed for a national seed. The reality is this roster is more like the 2015/2019 (minus Adley). Have we underperformed? Sure, and I think Mitch and all the players would say so. But that’s not grounds for firing or making sweeping judgements about the future of the program under Mitch. |
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Post by shelby on May 21, 2021 7:00:26 GMT -8
Yes , we should have more respect for the people making these decisions If you have ever hired people before, you know how difficult it is to get it right, first time - every time !
Baseball is the worlds toughest sport, and you do not get consistent performance, game to game, much less season to season. You see that at ALL levels .
Execution is not guaranteed - so, putting together a winning lineup - every night, is a difficult task !
I think that , since the beginning of the year - there has been great improvement in the offense. some erratic play on defense and almost a total breakdown in pitching. That is where we need some real help , and if it arrives this series and starts showing some consistency and reliability . If not, we have no chance at winning more than two of these last six !
C’mon guys , let’s start the run, NOW !
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Post by grackle on May 21, 2021 7:33:24 GMT -8
I hear you...but there's a big difference between a hire by the most successful college baseball coach in recent history and a hire by an obviously semi-competent newbie. Loyalty is admirable -- to a point. Nevertheless, I remain amazed that so many posters here continue to ignore the very obvious reality that both Canham and Dorman are, at best, semi-competent. Neither belongs anywhere the OSU baseball program. Your insistence on the being the arbiter of truth when it comes to Canham and the baseball program is laughable. People much smarter than you and I deemed them fully competent to run baseball programs. The anti-Canham crowd acts like Mitch was handed a roster equivalent to the 2017/2018 teams and he’s the reason we’re not headed for a national seed. The reality is this roster is more like the 2015/2019 (minus Adley). Have we underperformed? Sure, and I think Mitch and all the players would say so. But that’s not grounds for firing or making sweeping judgements about the future of the program under Mitch. I am hardly the arbiter of anything involving OSU athletics. I do, however, have eyes and a brain. And when I believe I see incompetence, I'll say so. I'm also more than happy to admit I'm wrong if that turns out to be the case. However, if posters here can't see the obvious that repeated poor decisions by Canham/Dorman have likely cost us at least a half-dozen wins this year, then they are choosing to whistle past the graveyard. Period. Finally, whether you think they are "much smarter" or not, people in authority often make stupid hiring decisions. Period. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2021 7:36:58 GMT -8
Your insistence on the being the arbiter of truth when it comes to Canham and the baseball program is laughable. People much smarter than you and I deemed them fully competent to run baseball programs. The anti-Canham crowd acts like Mitch was handed a roster equivalent to the 2017/2018 teams and he’s the reason we’re not headed for a national seed. The reality is this roster is more like the 2015/2019 (minus Adley). Have we underperformed? Sure, and I think Mitch and all the players would say so. But that’s not grounds for firing or making sweeping judgements about the future of the program under Mitch. I am hardly the arbiter of anything involving OSU athletics. I do, however, have eyes and a brain. And when I believe I see incompetence, I'll say so. I'm also more than happy to admit I'm wrong if that turns out to be the case. However, if posters here can't see the obvious that repeated poor decisions by Canham/Dorman have likely cost us at least a half-dozen wins this year, then they are choosing to whistle past the graveyard. Period. Finally, whether you think they are "much smarter" or not, people in authority often make stupid hiring decisions. Period. I think that they have made equally as many decisions that have lead us to wins in the final innings. Why are you choosing to ignore those? The fact is that the coaches can't execute on the field. Judging a coaching staff after one full year on the job is unrealistic. I don't think Dorman is telling our guys to hit batters, walk batters or groove pitches down the middle. Putting it all on the coaches is like pooping in the cemetery. Period. |
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Post by irimi on May 21, 2021 7:46:10 GMT -8
Did you say the same thing about Yeskie when PC hired him in 2009? Nate only had 3 years of coaching experience at UNLV, yet he got hired to an elite program. That’s the same number of years Dorman spent with Grand Canyon. Not to mention his 4 years coaching in the minors prior to his stint with GCU. So really, Dorman was equally if not more qualified to become the pitching coach at OSU than Nate Yeskie. Just a thought for you. I hear you...but there's a big difference between a hire by the most successful college baseball coach in recent history and a hire by an obviously semi-competent newbie. Loyalty is admirable -- to a point. Nevertheless, I remain amazed that so many posters here continue to ignore the very obvious reality that both Canham and Dorman are, at best, semi-competent. Neither belongs anywhere the OSU baseball program. I like Dorman. I think he is doing something that will end up being great for the Beavers. Working pitchers less is better for the arms and better in the long run. We need good, strong pitching to have any chance in Omaha (in any year), and in 2018 not having enough pitchers to count on cost us a great arm. Similarly, Canham has played a lot of players, especially in the outfield, so we know what they can do when the chips are down. He knows how they will match up against opponents. And except for Melton’s injury, we’re still very healthy coming up on the end of the season. This is his first year on the job and the players on the team haven’t changed so much from 2019 when Bailey struggled as skipper. In my opinion, you’ve got to put more of the burden on the players and less on the coaches. The coaches have done their jobs. Nearly every game has been close enough for us to win. They players have to make that leap to wanting it more than the other team. |
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Post by nabeav on May 21, 2021 7:46:57 GMT -8
Judge Smails has it right - For those who have made their mind up that the Beavs should never lose a close game because they're Oregon-F'ing-State, the elitest of the elite, any wins in the late innings will be because of great performances by the players, and any losses will be because the coaches put those same players in terrible positions. Mundt comes in and strikes out the side - great job by Mundt. Next game, go to Mundt in a big situation late in the game. He walks two, hits a guy and gives up a backbreaking double - clearly Canham should've stayed with Frisch or gone to Mulholland. Pat Casey made plenty of mistakes. Leaving guys in too long, recruiting guys more interested in their own stats than the team following the 06-08 runs, some of the disciplinary decisions he made (or chose not to make). But he left a shadow here that some posters will never let the current coach (or likely subsequent ones) escape from.
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Post by irimi on May 21, 2021 7:48:19 GMT -8
I am hardly the arbiter of anything involving OSU athletics. I do, however, have eyes and a brain. And when I believe I see incompetence, I'll say so. I'm also more than happy to admit I'm wrong if that turns out to be the case. However, if posters here can't see the obvious that repeated poor decisions by Canham/Dorman have likely cost us at least a half-dozen wins this year, then they are choosing to whistle past the graveyard. Period. Finally, whether you think they are "much smarter" or not, people in authority often make stupid hiring decisions. Period. I think that they have made equally as many decisions that have lead us to wins in the final innings. Why are you choosing to ignore those? The fact is that the coaches can't execute on the field. Judging a coaching staff after one full year on the job is unrealistic. I don't think Dorman is telling our guys to hit batters, walk batters or groove pitches down the middle. Putting it all on the coaches is like pooping in the cemetery. Period .Have not heard that one before. What an image! Nice! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 21, 2021 9:15:39 GMT -8
Can we just agree that it's ok to criticize, and still support? Sometimes it seems as though ANY criticism is met with the same response as what the OP of this thread gets. It's not the same thing. And it leads to a pissing match.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 21, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -8
Pat Casey took the team to the World Series 6 times in his 24 seasons. If you count from 2005, it was 6 times in 13 years. Your "mostly every year" math is way off. And we will make the regionals this year.....Having an RPI of 21 is not mediocre. Ask the 270+ teams that are behind us in RPI. Umm don’t count a regional just yet. I think the next 6 games has a lot to do with it. Go 0-6.. 1-5.... maybe even 2-4.... and Beavs could be out looking in. This year.... doubt RPI and metrics weighs as much.... covid. I think this is spot on. The back end of the schedule has lived up to it's hype, and the Beavs have not made progress.....and Melton is gone. Even if they squeek in going 2-4 I'd bet they go quietly into the sunset in a regional.....for the Beavs their mentality should be (and I'm sure it is....hopefully) the postseason starts tonight! They gotta prove they can win a series against a legit team. |
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Post by nabeav on May 21, 2021 9:39:41 GMT -8
Can we just agree that it's ok to criticize, and still support? Sometimes it seems as though ANY criticism is met with the same response as what the OP of this thread gets. It's not the same thing. And it leads to a pissing match. Criticizing is fine, but the "he's in over his head" "semi-competent" stuff just rings hollow, particularly when Jonathan Smith has made PLENTY of strange decisions and gets nowhere near the vitriol and dismissal Canham does. Let the guy find his way. Like many others have said, recruiting hasn't fallen off, we'll all survive if we don't make it to Omaha for several more years. Make the tourney in the majority of seasons, give us a chance. He does that, I'm fine with him staying as longs as he wants. |
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Post by green85 on May 21, 2021 10:21:28 GMT -8
Your insistence on the being the arbiter of truth when it comes to Canham and the baseball program is laughable. People much smarter than you and I deemed them fully competent to run baseball programs. The anti-Canham crowd acts like Mitch was handed a roster equivalent to the 2017/2018 teams and he’s the reason we’re not headed for a national seed. The reality is this roster is more like the 2015/2019 (minus Adley). Have we underperformed? Sure, and I think Mitch and all the players would say so. But that’s not grounds for firing or making sweeping judgements about the future of the program under Mitch. I am hardly the arbiter of anything involving OSU athletics. I do, however, have eyes and a brain. And when I believe I see incompetence, I'll say so. I'm also more than happy to admit I'm wrong if that turns out to be the case. However, if posters here can't see the obvious that repeated poor decisions by Canham/Dorman have likely cost us at least a half-dozen wins this year, then they are choosing to whistle past the graveyard. Period. Finally, whether you think they are "much smarter" or not, people in authority often make stupid hiring decisions. Period. "Finally, whether you think they are "much smarter" or not, people in authority often make stupid hiring decisions. Period." Umm, you posted that you trusted Pat Casey hiring decision regarding Yeskie. Now, Casey recommends Canham to coach the Beavers (not a direct hire but certainly a heavily weighted influencer opinion). And now by your last quote it appears you are calling this a "stupid hiring decision". Any chance you might back off this statement a bit given your previous confidence in Casey's past decisions? Certainly it would appear that allowing Mitch more than a season (e.g. patience) to show his ability would be prudent. I think it premature to characterize Canham (and Doorman) as "stupid hiring decisions". |
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Post by bvogrande on May 21, 2021 10:39:44 GMT -8
I think it's time this thread disappears.
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Post by ag87 on May 21, 2021 10:57:04 GMT -8
I think it's time this thread disappears.
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