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Post by Judge Smails on May 6, 2021 13:08:24 GMT -8
All I know is that they do not think it's funny when they ask you where you want the shot and you pull down your pants.
Learn from my experience!
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 13:10:56 GMT -8
I got the Arnie Palmer vax. One Pfizer, one moderna. Thinking about a J and J chaser next week. While I am sure you are kidding, they are literally testing efficacy of cross vaccination like that... the one of Pfizer, one of Moderna...
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Post by beaverstever on May 6, 2021 13:15:11 GMT -8
All I know is that they do not think it's funny when they ask you where you want the shot and you pull down your pants. Learn from my experience! So... Judge got the Johnson and Jonson delivers to the Johnson?
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Post by mbabeav on May 6, 2021 13:16:07 GMT -8
I'm not an anti-vax person. I get a flu shot every year and got Moderna second shot last Monday. I can understand why some folks are skeptics however. Any and all Covid vaccines thus far only FDA 'authorization for emergency use'. No vaccine has FDA 'Approval' to prevent Covid-19 (read the literature they give you when you get the shot). The 'deaths from Covid' number is very misleading too. 'Deaths WITH Covid' is far more representative of who is dying and what they are dying from. The medical community has a publication called the Mortality and Morbidity Report - issued weekly, and it keeps tabs on what people are dying from, and more importantly for tracking the health of the country, how many people are dying. Mind you, the data from this report is the type of grade A quality that life insurance companies use for their actuarial tables, and it is the definitive publication of its kind that has been around for decades. Using more recent data from the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS), CDC estimated that 545,600–660,200 excess deaths occurred in the United States during January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021. These are deaths over what were predicted from all the usual suspects, and again these are the gold standards for us by both government and corporate America.
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Post by mbabeav on May 6, 2021 13:17:56 GMT -8
I got the Arnie Palmer vax. One Pfizer, one moderna. Thinking about a J and J chaser next week. I got the Pfizer, wanted the Moderna. Not sure if I'm missing out at all, but Moderna is working on creating a booster which will also fight new variants. I may look into that around the end of the year. All these companies are looking at boosters to deal with continuing changes in the viruses and such. Some will probably be ready for distribution and injection by the end of this year.
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Post by irimi on May 6, 2021 13:29:11 GMT -8
I got the Arnie Palmer vax. One Pfizer, one moderna. Thinking about a J and J chaser next week. While I am sure you are kidding, they are literally testing efficacy of cross vaccination like that... the one of Pfizer, one of Moderna... NPR has an article on that. Supposed to be advantageous to get one of each.
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Post by irimi on May 6, 2021 13:40:51 GMT -8
Portland State now requiring students and staff to be vaxxed for fall term. So (as usual), of the three major public universities in our state, uo is behind the leaders again. Atown, thanks again for your sensible posts on this subject. I see in the O today that Benton County has the highest percentage in the state of people with at least one shot. And "Umatilla and Malheur counties rank last and second-to-last in the share of residents fully vaccinated and partially or fully vaccinated. Both counties, incidentally, have recorded the highest coronavirus case rates since the start of the pandemic."Full vaccine disclosure from my own experience: I got shot #2 of Moderna on Monday at about 8:45 am. by that evening my arm hurt so bad I could hardly lift it. Tuesday I logged a temp of 101, coasted through work in a zombie like fashion, went to bed at 5 pm and woke up at 6am the next day. Wednesday I was perfectly fine. no fever, no arm pain. nothing. I will gladly suffer one somewhat sucky day to avoid a week in the hospital, or even one more second of this shut down horses%#t. Just do it, just get a shot already. Honest to god, it really isn't that bad. you have an excuse to take a real long nap... If folks are afraid of the side effects, they just need to look at the side effects of Remdesivir, which is the anti-viral drug used to help treat Covid. Also under emergency use authorization from the FDA. Yuck.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 13:50:02 GMT -8
Full vaccine disclosure from my own experience: I got shot #2 of Moderna on Monday at about 8:45 am. by that evening my arm hurt so bad I could hardly lift it. Tuesday I logged a temp of 101, coasted through work in a zombie like fashion, went to bed at 5 pm and woke up at 6am the next day. Wednesday I was perfectly fine. no fever, no arm pain. nothing. I will gladly suffer one somewhat sucky day to avoid a week in the hospital, or even one more second of this shut down horses%#t. Just do it, just get a shot already. Honest to god, it really isn't that bad. you have an excuse to take a real long nap... If folks are afraid of the side effects, they just need to look at the side effects of Remdesivir, which is the anti-viral drug used to help treat Covid. Also under emergency use authorization from the FDA. Yuck. And Remdesivir is of marginal use if that... shaves one or two days off a hospital stay versus a comparative severe case (21 days versus 23 days) really doesn't have a mortality benefit and is more or less useless in standard cases...
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Post by blackbug on May 6, 2021 14:35:39 GMT -8
Full vaccine disclosure from my own experience: I got shot #2 of Moderna on Monday at about 8:45 am. by that evening my arm hurt so bad I could hardly lift it. Tuesday I logged a temp of 101, coasted through work in a zombie like fashion, went to bed at 5 pm and woke up at 6am the next day. Wednesday I was perfectly fine. no fever, no arm pain. nothing. I will gladly suffer one somewhat sucky day to avoid a week in the hospital, or even one more second of this shut down horses%#t. Just do it, just get a shot already. Honest to god, it really isn't that bad. you have an excuse to take a real long nap... If folks are afraid of the side effects, they just need to look at the side effects of Remdesivir, which is the anti-viral drug used to help treat Covid. Also under emergency use authorization from the FDA. Yuck. If you are sick enough to get Remdesivir then you are probably not in a condition to worry about the side effects. So the real reason to be afraid of it is you are a very sick person. The side effect profile is misleading like many meds. There is no or very little data comparing increase over placebo, just data of what was observed as possible side effects. We have not found a significant side effect from this med in a single patient we have treated at the hospital I work at. Quite often in a med that has weak endpoint supportive data, like Remdesivir, the side effects are likewise minimal. Thus, stated side effects are only found due to labs and extensive research, not typical things you would report.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 6, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -8
Any and all Covid vaccines thus far only FDA 'authorization for emergency use'. No vaccine has FDA 'Approval' to prevent Covid-19 (read the literature they give you when you get the shot).
It's akin to the results of a horse race being "unofficial" for several minutes before being declared official. Full FDA approval is on the horizon shortly.
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Post by bennyskid on May 6, 2021 14:49:50 GMT -8
People aren't afraid of the side-effects. They are afraid that they are being lied to.
And don't for a moment think that it's because of Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, or various internet trolls. It's because the "experts" have made statement after statement, cited statistic after statistic, and way too many of those statements and statistics have turned out to be garbage. Sometimes their foolishness is transparent (Does anyone in the g**d***ed world really believe that this virus didn't come from the lab in Wuhan?) Sometimes it's cloaked in over-the-top emotional appeals. Sometimes it's patently, purely political. And sometimes it's walked back the very same day.
And every time the experts speak as though they have perfect knowledge - bad statistics reported with absurd precision, garbage models cited as though they are more important than actual results. They invoke the name of "science" to justify decisions that are obviously arbitrary.
So why is anyone surprised that a substantial portion of the population no longer trusts the "experts"? The average Joe doesn't have the time or knowledge base to evaluate all the claims, for and against the vaccine. So he looks around to find sources that he feels he can trust. He filters out the hypocrites, the politicians, the overwrought, the manipulative, and the repeatedly wrong - that is, most of the media and politicians.
Maybe if Joe DiMaggio was still around, people would turn their eyes to him.
Blame the media, mostly. According to international surveys, the American media has been the most sensationalistic (and pessimistic) in the world. Blame also the politicians - especially those that turned the pandemic into a partisan election issue. Blame the governors and mayors who banned travel in their state and then promptly took a vacation, got their hair done after shutting down the hairdressers, or enjoyed a banquet after closing the restaurants down.
It didn't have to be this way.
Imagine if, from day one, this whole crisis had been put in proper perspective . . . simply another flu in a long series of pandemic flus - like the Asian Flu and the Hong Kong Flu, a recurring phenomenon like we've seen before and we'll see again. Imagine if, instead of apocalyptic claims and ridiculous modeling numbers, the experts dispassionately noted the differences between this flu and its predecessors - not in stupidly overprecise statistics, but in terms that are scientifically defensible and relatable to human beings. Simple facts, like that this flu spreads more easily than those earlier flus, is much less deadly for the young, more deadly for the obese and old. People would have found those ideas credible, and if the public policies matched these statements (I'm looking at you, Governor Cuomo, and all the nursing home patients your policies killed), the public trust in government and the "experts" might still be intact.
It's too late now. Getting the last 40% or so of the population to vaccinate is not going to be easy. But don't blame the American people - they aren't the ones that threw away their credibility in the search of ratings, power, and fame.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 6, 2021 14:59:01 GMT -8
Very frustrating. My mom and stepdad are what I would consider closet anti-vaxxers. They should have been first in line given age and his insane medical history, yet they keep moving the goalposts. First it was claiming they weren't able to schedule appointments, then it was waiting for J&J vaccine because 1 appointment is easier than 2. Now it's holding off on J&J and waiting until they need to travel internationally (he has family in UK). I'd point out to him that the talking heads downplaying the virus/vaccine on his favorite TV shows have already been vaccinated, but then we probably wouldn't make it through dinner. So I'll shut up and pass the potatoes. From what I've seen, both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have up to an 80-85 efficacy rate 2-3 weeks after the first shot, while the JNJ shot is just 72%. I'd get either of the first 2 over the JNJ vaccine, then try to talk them into the second appointment for further effectiveness and longevity. Appointments should be getting easier to make these days. Appointments? Most places I see hired the sign spinners to bring in customers! Wide open.
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Post by TheGlove on May 6, 2021 16:16:28 GMT -8
While we are riffing on meds…
I cant stand ads on TV for prescription drugs. I saw one last night for a lung cancer drug. If you have lung cancer are you really shopping around for meds? Hey Doc, I saw that ad on tv for Whosingwhatsit. How about hooking me up with some of that?
Or one of my favorite lines from drug ads: Don’t take Xedtruti if you are allergic to Xedtruti. Oh really?
And then the long list of potential side effects. Every dam one causes diarrhea. Thanks for that while I’m eating dinner. 🤢
Also, who makes up these names?
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 16:24:54 GMT -8
While we are riffing on meds… I cant stand ads on TV for prescription drugs. I saw one last night for a lung cancer drug. If you have lung cancer are you really shopping around for meds? Hey Doc, I saw that ad on tv for Whosingwhatsit. How about hooking me up with some of that? Or one of my favorite lines from drug ads: Don’t take Xedtruti if you are allergic to Xedtruti. Oh really? And then the long list of potential side effects. Every dam one causes diarrhea. Thanks for that while I’m eating dinner. 🤢 Also, who makes up these names? I think I know that ad... the best part about it is how cleverly they hide the fact that this is for people with TERMINAL lung cancer and the point of this drug is to give you a couple more months/weeks.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 6, 2021 16:36:25 GMT -8
While we are riffing on meds… I cant stand ads on TV for prescription drugs. I saw one last night for a lung cancer drug. If you have lung cancer are you really shopping around for meds? Hey Doc, I saw that ad on tv for Whosingwhatsit. How about hooking me up with some of that? Or one of my favorite lines from drug ads: Don’t take Xedtruti if you are allergic to Xedtruti. Oh really? And then the long list of potential side effects. Every dam one causes diarrhea. Thanks for that while I’m eating dinner. 🤢 Also, who makes up these names? Love the don’t take it if you are allergic. Is this in case you forgot you were allergic? If you’ve never taken it, how the hell are you supposed to know if your allergic?
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