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Post by mbabeav on May 5, 2021 13:28:02 GMT -8
I went to Bi Mart and received the Hamilton Beach vaccine. Is that any good? Depends on the blend... Depends on what you are blending in it  |
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 13:28:55 GMT -8
I went to Bi Mart and received the Hamilton Beach vaccine. Is that any good? Mine was the Kirkland Signature vaccine. Damn, that needle was huge! |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 5, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -8
I went to Bi Mart and received the Hamilton Beach vaccine. Is that any good? Mine was the Kirkland Signature vaccine. Damn, that needle was huge! That's the one I wanted. It's Costco sized, so you only need one dose. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on May 5, 2021 15:32:35 GMT -8
Mine was the Kirkland Signature vaccine. Damn, that needle was huge! That's the one I wanted. It's Costco sized, so you only need one dose. Should have went to Wal-Mart. They have the stuff that is made in China! Got to go to the source ya know.  Go Beavs!! |
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 7:05:16 GMT -8
My question to you, is can I get you to play poker with me, unlimited bet size? 1. There have been no deaths that can be directly attributed in the entire US from adverse vaccine reactions ( the J&J direct relationship to the blood clot issue is not proven so that may mean <5 deaths out of 8,000,000 vaccinated even if it is proven), than there have been deaths in Benton County (19) from Covid. 2. A study by the University of Washington published in February stated that : "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found. "We were surprised to have one-third of people with mild illness still experiencing symptoms," said lead researcher Jennifer Logue. She's a research scientist with the UW department of medicine's division of allergy and infectious diseases, in Seattle. "If you contract coronavirus, there's a good chance you could experience a lingering effect."" Again the risk of a lingering long term effect of a vaccine is as low as almost any vaccine previously made. In fact due to the way these vaccines are made, they may be the safest ever made.
Your risk of being hospitalized, should you still get Covid after your vaccine has become fully functional, was reported by PBS Newshour as being 0.0005% That is 1 in 20,000, if you get sick, and the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90-95% effective at preventing getting sick in the first place.
I thin the huge hospital bills and risk of death from Covid if unvaccinated are self evident. Vaccines are free.The H1N1 2009 vaccination was found to have a 26.5% chance of negative adverse affects. And almost three years later was linked to a rare nerve disorder. And that was a much more tried and true vaccine than the current vaccine for COVID-19. I will give you that, because of what the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are, each shot may be safer. But the fact that it is two shots tends to make them inherently less safe than a one-shot vaccine. I believe that, because of what the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is, you will probably have the same or similar adverse affects and has a much higher probability of being tied to something like a rare nerve disorder or similar in 2024 or threabouts. The odds of long-term risks related to either COVID-19 or the vaccine for COVID-19 are so wildly untested and unknown that it is patently silly to try and speak authoritatively about either. I will say that I personally do not trust the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and would be very hesitant to get vaccinated using it. They are already identifying issues with it. My sister is a pharmacist, who works for the Federal government and was sounding the alarm to her friends and family before the blood clot issue was even identified. Because of how it differs from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and from the information that I have been getting from my sister, I would put money down that the identified issues will only continue to grow in both variety and scope in the weeks, months and years to come. Still, because of the inherent safety present within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and because the risk of death is still very high with coronavirus and the risk of lingering effects because of coronavirus is very high, I would encourage everyone who does not have a great reason not to to go out and get inoculated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as they are able to. The more people that are vaccinated, the better off we all are. I have been fully vaccinated for almost three weeks with the Pfizer vaccine. We are in this together. The risk of Guillian-Barre Syndrome from H1N1 vaccine is a million to one. I mean that literally, life time risk of GBS from the vaccine ranges from 1 to 2 cases per 1 million doses. The 26.5% rate of negative adverse events? From the paper itself: "Adverse events occurred among 26.5% of those who complied with H1N1 vaccination. Those were local pain, irritation and induration at site of injection (38.5%), fever (15.4%), fever cough and rhinorrhea (15.4%) generalized pain and lumber pains (23.1%)." -Ortiz Arjona MA, Abd Elaziz KM, Caballero Lanzas JM, Allam MF. Coverage and side effects of influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine among primary health care workers. Vaccine. 2011 Aug 26;29(37):6366-8. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2011.04.117. PMID: 21840463. Yes Wilky, they counted a sore arm and immune reactions... Like nearly every vaccine on this entire planet, your standard hazard to catch the disease and die from it is higher than the risk of taking the vaccine and having a severe reaction to it. As you noted with JnJ the running odds of getting a severe blood clot from it is 1 in 1,133,401. And that does not account for the fact that all the women who developed blood clots from the JnJ vaccine had thrombocytopenia, a blood disorder that results in low platelet counts. in comparison, the standard odds a woman with thrombocytopenia develops a blood clot in their life is 1 in 200,000. The running odds an American naturally just gets COVID and DIES? based on total population and total COVID Mortality? 1 in 625... People are really bad at math. Get the f%#*ing shot already. Any of them. All of them. Just do it. As a side note, all of these vaccines have literally been tested on upwards of 10x the number of people any other drug on earth gets tested on prior to FDA approval. A typical drug conducts a phase III trial on between 300 and 3000 individuals, where as all three of these drugs had study populations of 30,000. People seem to worry about long term effects, but literally no drug on this planet has long term effects studied prior to approval. ongoing studies (known as Phase VI) track these outcomes and may or may not result in a drug being pulled, or having new guidance put around it. But long story short, not a single one of you have ever taken a drug in your entire life that was tested on more people at the time of approval, than these vaccines. It has literally never happened. People are worried about the speed of the trials... this isn't a major issues. the only reason typical Phase III trials take years is because the government isn't picking up the tab. Testing is really expense. So a normal drug company gets small cohorts and tests a batch of a hundred or so, then does it again, and again, until they have sufficient numbers. However, generally they are NOT doing extensive follow up on those patients, that is not the parameters of the phase III trial and not what the FDA looks at. Bottom line: it seems fast because drug companies had a blank check and maximum priority on this. No corners were cut, no warnings ignorned. We are not Russia. We did it right, but we did it American... we spend an ABSURD amount of money to get here, all on the backs of 100s of companies and thousands of scientists working together. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 6, 2021 9:43:42 GMT -8
Portland State now requiring students and staff to be vaxxed for fall term. So (as usual), of the three major public universities in our state, uo is behind the leaders again.
Atown, thanks again for your sensible posts on this subject. I see in the O today that Benton County has the highest percentage in the state of people with at least one shot. And "Umatilla and Malheur counties rank last and second-to-last in the share of residents fully vaccinated and partially or fully vaccinated. Both counties, incidentally, have recorded the highest coronavirus case rates since the start of the pandemic."
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Post by green85 on May 6, 2021 10:22:56 GMT -8
The H1N1 2009 vaccination was found to have a 26.5% chance of negative adverse affects. And almost three years later was linked to a rare nerve disorder. And that was a much more tried and true vaccine than the current vaccine for COVID-19. I will give you that, because of what the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are, each shot may be safer. But the fact that it is two shots tends to make them inherently less safe than a one-shot vaccine. I believe that, because of what the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is, you will probably have the same or similar adverse affects and has a much higher probability of being tied to something like a rare nerve disorder or similar in 2024 or threabouts. The odds of long-term risks related to either COVID-19 or the vaccine for COVID-19 are so wildly untested and unknown that it is patently silly to try and speak authoritatively about either. I will say that I personally do not trust the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and would be very hesitant to get vaccinated using it. They are already identifying issues with it. My sister is a pharmacist, who works for the Federal government and was sounding the alarm to her friends and family before the blood clot issue was even identified. Because of how it differs from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and from the information that I have been getting from my sister, I would put money down that the identified issues will only continue to grow in both variety and scope in the weeks, months and years to come. Still, because of the inherent safety present within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and because the risk of death is still very high with coronavirus and the risk of lingering effects because of coronavirus is very high, I would encourage everyone who does not have a great reason not to to go out and get inoculated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as they are able to. The more people that are vaccinated, the better off we all are. I have been fully vaccinated for almost three weeks with the Pfizer vaccine. We are in this together. The risk of Guillian-Barre Syndrome from H1N1 vaccine is a million to one. I mean that literally, life time risk of GBS from the vaccine ranges from 1 to 2 cases per 1 million doses. The 26.5% rate of negative adverse events? From the paper itself: "Adverse events occurred among 26.5% of those who complied with H1N1 vaccination. Those were local pain, irritation and induration at site of injection (38.5%), fever (15.4%), fever cough and rhinorrhea (15.4%) generalized pain and lumber pains (23.1%)." -Ortiz Arjona MA, Abd Elaziz KM, Caballero Lanzas JM, Allam MF. Coverage and side effects of influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine among primary health care workers. Vaccine. 2011 Aug 26;29(37):6366-8. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2011.04.117. PMID: 21840463. Yes Wilky, they counted a sore arm and immune reactions... Like nearly every vaccine on this entire planet, your standard hazard to catch the disease and die from it is higher than the risk of taking the vaccine and having a severe reaction to it. As you noted with JnJ the running odds of getting a severe blood clot from it is 1 in 1,133,401. And that does not account for the fact that all the women who developed blood clots from the JnJ vaccine had thrombocytopenia, a blood disorder that results in low platelet counts. in comparison, the standard odds a woman with thrombocytopenia develops a blood clot in their life is 1 in 200,000. The running odds an American naturally just gets COVID and DIES? based on total population and total COVID Mortality? 1 in 625... People are really bad at math. Get the f%#*ing shot already. Any of them. All of them. Just do it. As a side note, all of these vaccines have literally been tested on upwards of 10x the number of people any other drug on earth gets tested on prior to FDA approval. A typical drug conducts a phase III trial on between 300 and 3000 individuals, where as all three of these drugs had study populations of 30,000. People seem to worry about long term effects, but literally no drug on this planet has long term effects studied prior to approval. ongoing studies (known as Phase VI) track these outcomes and may or may not result in a drug being pulled, or having new guidance put around it. But long story short, not a single one of you have ever taken a drug in your entire life that was tested on more people at the time of approval, than these vaccines. It has literally never happened. People are worried about the speed of the trials... this isn't a major issues. the only reason typical Phase III trials take years is because the government isn't picking up the tab. Testing is really expense. So a normal drug company gets small cohorts and tests a batch of a hundred or so, then does it again, and again, until they have sufficient numbers. However, generally they are NOT doing extensive follow up on those patients, that is not the parameters of the phase III trial and not what the FDA looks at. Bottom line: it seems fast because drug companies had a blank check and maximum priority on this. No corners were cut, no warnings ignorned. We are not Russia. We did it right, but we did it American... we spend an ABSURD amount of money to get here, all on the backs of 100s of companies and thousands of scientists working together. Nicely done. I will add this note about PEOPLE and what they BELIEVE: Communication channels and people using them tend to "take sides" on just about anything that can be questioned. One of the first things that happens is people "opposed" to something will assign motivation to the organization taking action, They then feed that with selective data or misleading data or simply incomplete data. Unfortunately too many people are too lazy to take time to read and evaluate information to get a wider picture. The laziness to gather info then is fed in an echo chamber of "this is why they are doing this to you and this is why you should fear them and listen to me". An old guy like me tends to start with the assumption that the motive for most people and organization is in fact rooted in good, not some conspiracy of evil. But I am not naive, so I look at what checks there are to be sure both actions and results are positive and with limited risks. And this approach typically leads me to believe that any true 3rd party oversight will give me confidence that everything will be okay. If you just left pharmaceutical companies to do whatever they want, the profit motive would likely include what the COMPANY evaluates as acceptable risk - I prefer that judgment be in the hands of someone without the connection to profitability (FDA, CDC, NIH, etc.). I won't spend time convincing others of the safety of the vaccine. I will simply say that from my perspective it seems likely that the vaccine is a good measure (especially for me) given the entire context of risk of getting Covid, the consequences for me personally if I did not have the immune response prepped by the vaccine. |
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Post by irimi on May 6, 2021 11:26:30 GMT -8
Sure, you can survive Covid if you get it.
But you'll need prescription medication, and who do you think makes them? And odds are, those pills will have side effects, too. Uh oh.
And you'll need to put your trust in the same doctors, hospitals, and medical companies that you turn your back on by not getting the vaccine. So you end up being a hypocrite.
Just get the vaccine. You're better for it, and everyone around you is better for it.
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Post by mbabeav on May 6, 2021 11:36:40 GMT -8
Just got back from Reser Stadium and the vaccine factory they have set up - well oiled machine. 2nd shot and I am finally ready to enter the post-covid era.
And I want to post that their are a lot of students and the under 50 types pouring in for shots. Also, those little white 6 wheel delivery robots are everywhere!
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Post by atownbeaver on May 6, 2021 11:42:32 GMT -8
Portland State now requiring students and staff to be vaxxed for fall term. So (as usual), of the three major public universities in our state, uo is behind the leaders again. Atown, thanks again for your sensible posts on this subject. I see in the O today that Benton County has the highest percentage in the state of people with at least one shot. And "Umatilla and Malheur counties rank last and second-to-last in the share of residents fully vaccinated and partially or fully vaccinated. Both counties, incidentally, have recorded the highest coronavirus case rates since the start of the pandemic."Full vaccine disclosure from my own experience: I got shot #2 of Moderna on Monday at about 8:45 am. by that evening my arm hurt so bad I could hardly lift it. Tuesday I logged a temp of 101, coasted through work in a zombie like fashion, went to bed at 5 pm and woke up at 6am the next day. Wednesday I was perfectly fine. no fever, no arm pain. nothing. I will gladly suffer one somewhat sucky day to avoid a week in the hospital, or even one more second of this shut down horses%#t. Just do it, just get a shot already. Honest to god, it really isn't that bad. you have an excuse to take a real long nap... |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 6, 2021 11:50:08 GMT -8
Sure, you can survive Covid if you get it. But you'll need prescription medication, and who do you think makes them? And odds are, those pills will have side effects, too. Uh oh. And you'll need to put your trust in the same doctors, hospitals, and medical companies that you turn your back on by not getting the vaccine. So you end up being a hypocrite. J ust get the vaccine. You're better for it, and everyone around you is better for it. Very frustrating. My mom and stepdad are what I would consider closet anti-vaxxers. They should have been first in line given age and his insane medical history, yet they keep moving the goalposts. First it was claiming they weren't able to schedule appointments, then it was waiting for J&J vaccine because 1 appointment is easier than 2. Now it's holding off on J&J and waiting until they need to travel internationally (he has family in UK). I'd point out to him that the talking heads downplaying the virus/vaccine on his favorite TV shows have already been vaccinated, but then we probably wouldn't make it through dinner. So I'll shut up and pass the potatoes. |
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Post by irimi on May 6, 2021 11:54:56 GMT -8
My son just told me of a case up at OHSU. Husband is going to die of Covid. He is on "comfort care." And his doctors were ranting because his wife was against the vaccine, even though she worked in a high-risk occupation. Naturally, she got Covid and passed it on to him. Now he is going to die.
Get your vaccine. The world is a better place with you and your loved ones in it.
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Post by TheGlove on May 6, 2021 12:18:03 GMT -8
I got the Arnie Palmer vax.
One Pfizer, one moderna.
Thinking about a J and J chaser next week.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 6, 2021 12:45:55 GMT -8
Sure, you can survive Covid if you get it. But you'll need prescription medication, and who do you think makes them? And odds are, those pills will have side effects, too. Uh oh. And you'll need to put your trust in the same doctors, hospitals, and medical companies that you turn your back on by not getting the vaccine. So you end up being a hypocrite. J ust get the vaccine. You're better for it, and everyone around you is better for it. Very frustrating. My mom and stepdad are what I would consider closet anti-vaxxers. They should have been first in line given age and his insane medical history, yet they keep moving the goalposts. First it was claiming they weren't able to schedule appointments, then it was waiting for J&J vaccine because 1 appointment is easier than 2. Now it's holding off on J&J and waiting until they need to travel internationally (he has family in UK). I'd point out to him that the talking heads downplaying the virus/vaccine on his favorite TV shows have already been vaccinated, but then we probably wouldn't make it through dinner. So I'll shut up and pass the potatoes. From what I've seen, both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have up to an 80-85 efficacy rate 2-3 weeks after the first shot, while the JNJ shot is just 72%. I'd get either of the first 2 over the JNJ vaccine, then try to talk them into the second appointment for further effectiveness and longevity. Appointments should be getting easier to make these days. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 6, 2021 12:50:02 GMT -8
I got the Arnie Palmer vax. One Pfizer, one moderna. Thinking about a J and J chaser next week. I got the Pfizer, wanted the Moderna. Not sure if I'm missing out at all, but Moderna is working on creating a booster which will also fight new variants. I may look into that around the end of the year. |
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