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Post by ochobeavo on May 5, 2021 6:59:41 GMT -8
Mr snail. I rarely respond but You need to be called out. Florida has done better than this hellhole State. People are free and people are moving there. I rarely set foot in Oregon and am glad. I wear a mask,but know they do nothing. I wash and I am careful. You just like to insult people. So much negativity Here. I've been to Florida three times this year. Using my eyeballs as my source, it's hardly as "open" as people make it out to be. We were required to wear masks on an Everglades airboat ride. Restaurants in Miami Beach, grocery stores, hotels and Uber/Lyft required masks (this was first week in April). An officer asked me to wear my mask while walking outside at Key West - city ordinance apparently (granted this was back in January so it may no longer be the case). I spoke with the owner of a cafe and he said they are taking matters into their own hands on a local level to ensure they remain safe & open. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on May 5, 2021 9:20:47 GMT -8
Bad comparison. Presumably shopping at Costco/Home Depot/Fred Meyer is for essentials. It seems like a baseball game or spring game should be allowed with moderations. Limited attendance, spaced seating, masks, and other social distancing precautions. Doesn't seem like it's impossible. It's outdoors for Pete's sake. Looks like some draconian measures in Benton County. It's a totally apt comparison. Covid doesn't care if you're shopping for "essentials" or at a baseball game. And the science says you are in much, much less danger of being infected if you are outside and distanced than if you are inside, and even much less at risk at risk if you are vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated. I wear a mask in crowds, or when indoors. I pose no threat to anyone. Benton County has no Covid hospital cases, and has the highest percentage of vaccinated people in the entire state. I (and others of similar circumstances) should be able to go into a restaurant, a stadium, or anywhere the ##ck I want. I'm a lifelong Democrat and will die before I ever vote for a Republican. But like I said, $$ck governor Brown and $$ck the OHA. They are both out of touch with reality. And OSU better follow Washington and California and mandate its students be fully vaccinated if they expect to return to school next fall. The beauty of living in Oregon Henry, is that you may very well die before you vote Republican. My aunt voted Democrat for 3 years after she passed.....  Oh look.......another rabbit hole!! Go Beavs!! |
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Post by beaverstever on May 5, 2021 9:29:04 GMT -8
It's a totally apt comparison. Covid doesn't care if you're shopping for "essentials" or at a baseball game. And the science says you are in much, much less danger of being infected if you are outside and distanced than if you are inside, and even much less at risk at risk if you are vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated. I wear a mask in crowds, or when indoors. I pose no threat to anyone. Benton County has no Covid hospital cases, and has the highest percentage of vaccinated people in the entire state. I (and others of similar circumstances) should be able to go into a restaurant, a stadium, or anywhere the ##ck I want. I'm a lifelong Democrat and will die before I ever vote for a Republican. But like I said, $$ck governor Brown and $$ck the OHA. They are both out of touch with reality. And OSU better follow Washington and California and mandate its students be fully vaccinated if they expect to return to school next fall. The beauty of living in Oregon Henry, is that you may very well die before you vote Republican. My aunt voted Democrat for 3 years after she passed..... Oh look.......another rabbit hole!! Go Beavs!! You introduce another rabbit hole while decrying the thread being already in a rabbit hole... this is how threads get locked. |
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Post by rafer on May 5, 2021 10:17:17 GMT -8
Bad comparison. Presumably shopping at Costco/Home Depot/Fred Meyer is for essentials. It seems like a baseball game or spring game should be allowed with moderations. Limited attendance, spaced seating, masks, and other social distancing precautions. Doesn't seem like it's impossible. It's outdoors for Pete's sake. Looks like some draconian measures in Benton County. It's a totally apt comparison. Covid doesn't care if you're shopping for "essentials" or at a baseball game. And the science says you are in much, much less danger of being infected if you are outside and distanced than if you are inside, and even much less at risk at risk if you are vaccinated. I'm fully vaccinated. I wear a mask in crowds, or when indoors. I pose no threat to anyone. Benton County has no Covid hospital cases, and has the highest percentage of vaccinated people in the entire state. I (and others of similar circumstances) should be able to go into a restaurant, a stadium, or anywhere the ##ck I want. I'm a lifelong Democrat and will die before I ever vote for a Republican. But like I said, $$ck governor Brown and $$ck the OHA. They are both out of touch with reality. And OSU better follow Washington and California and mandate its students be fully vaccinated if they expect to return to school next fall. Aha! Never vote republican, good call.. That means you undoubtedly voted for some real bozos and losers, just like it would be if someone would never vote for a democrat! Hmmm, nice perspective on life..........:-) |
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Post by mbabeav on May 5, 2021 10:21:24 GMT -8
yes, and 20%, as I said in my last edit, in Benton County may never get a shot because the 1 in a millions risk of a bad side effect is better odds than the nearly 100% chance of eventually getting the disease, and the 1-10 chance of lingering side effects from the illness, and/or huge hospital bills and/or the occasional death. Um, care to provide any backup for those numbers? I for one don’t believe them. My question to you, is can I get you to play poker with me, unlimited bet size? 1. There have been no deaths that can be directly attributed in the entire US from adverse vaccine reactions ( the J&J direct relationship to the blood clot issue is not proven so that may mean <5 deaths out of 8,000,000 vaccinated even if it is proven), than there have been deaths in Benton County (19) from Covid. 2. A study by the University of Washington published in February stated that : "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found. "We were surprised to have one-third of people with mild illness still experiencing symptoms," said lead researcher Jennifer Logue. She's a research scientist with the UW department of medicine's division of allergy and infectious diseases, in Seattle. "If you contract coronavirus, there's a good chance you could experience a lingering effect."" Again the risk of a lingering long term effect of a vaccine is as low as almost any vaccine previously made. In fact due to the way these vaccines are made, they may be the safest ever made.
Your risk of being hospitalized, should you still get Covid after your vaccine has become fully functional, was reported by PBS Newshour as being 0.0005% That is 1 in 20,000, if you get sick, and the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90-95% effective at preventing getting sick in the first place.
I thin the huge hospital bills and risk of death from Covid if unvaccinated are self evident. Vaccines are free. |
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Post by ironbeaver on May 5, 2021 10:22:25 GMT -8
Me thinks I may need to take this post down or have it locked... 🤔
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Post by mbabeav on May 5, 2021 10:29:15 GMT -8
Me thinks I may need to take this post down or have it locked... 🤔 I'm sorry it has to run this way, at least I got some relevant science based facts in my post above - I bet Spud is great at poker, but this is why they have actuaries for insurance and for risk based assessment of illness vs vaccine efficacy. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 5, 2021 11:59:23 GMT -8
Um, care to provide any backup for those numbers? I for one don’t believe them. My question to you, is can I get you to play poker with me, unlimited bet size? 1. There have been no deaths that can be directly attributed in the entire US from adverse vaccine reactions ( the J&J direct relationship to the blood clot issue is not proven so that may mean <5 deaths out of 8,000,000 vaccinated even if it is proven), than there have been deaths in Benton County (19) from Covid. 2. A study by the University of Washington published in February stated that : "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found. "We were surprised to have one-third of people with mild illness still experiencing symptoms," said lead researcher Jennifer Logue. She's a research scientist with the UW department of medicine's division of allergy and infectious diseases, in Seattle. "If you contract coronavirus, there's a good chance you could experience a lingering effect."" Again the risk of a lingering long term effect of a vaccine is as low as almost any vaccine previously made. In fact due to the way these vaccines are made, they may be the safest ever made.
Your risk of being hospitalized, should you still get Covid after your vaccine has become fully functional, was reported by PBS Newshour as being 0.0005% That is 1 in 20,000, if you get sick, and the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90-95% effective at preventing getting sick in the first place.
I thin the huge hospital bills and risk of death from Covid if unvaccinated are self evident. Vaccines are free.The H1N1 2009 vaccination was found to have a 26.5% chance of negative adverse affects. And almost three years later was linked to a rare nerve disorder. And that was a much more tried and true vaccine than the current vaccine for COVID-19. I will give you that, because of what the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are, each shot may be safer. But the fact that it is two shots tends to make them inherently less safe than a one-shot vaccine. I believe that, because of what the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is, you will probably have the same or similar adverse affects and has a much higher probability of being tied to something like a rare nerve disorder or similar in 2024 or threabouts. The odds of long-term risks related to either COVID-19 or the vaccine for COVID-19 are so wildly untested and unknown that it is patently silly to try and speak authoritatively about either. I will say that I personally do not trust the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and would be very hesitant to get vaccinated using it. They are already identifying issues with it. My sister is a pharmacist, who works for the Federal government and was sounding the alarm to her friends and family before the blood clot issue was even identified. Because of how it differs from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and from the information that I have been getting from my sister, I would put money down that the identified issues will only continue to grow in both variety and scope in the weeks, months and years to come. Still, because of the inherent safety present within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and because the risk of death is still very high with coronavirus and the risk of lingering effects because of coronavirus is very high, I would encourage everyone who does not have a great reason not to to go out and get inoculated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as they are able to. The more people that are vaccinated, the better off we all are. I have been fully vaccinated for almost three weeks with the Pfizer vaccine. We are in this together. |
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 12:57:29 GMT -8
Where did you see this? Never mind. Found it. Didn’t know that hospitalizations increasing under 15% kicked all counties out of extreme. Well see if fans are allowed Saturday. Because it literally never existed before... There was one statewide metric: over 300 COVID hospitalization. this new one was just made up to justify moving out of extreme because it was EXTREMELY unpopular moving back. FWIW, hospitalizations are receding... they are still over 300 though. Metrics change as the situation changes. Seems to me that it is reasonable to evaluate the current situation with different parameters. As you explained in the other thread, hospitals are able to accept more gray cases because the severe cases are fewer. Makes sense. I have a former colleague who came down with Covid. Full blown Covid pneumonia, he said. Kicked his ass. But he was able to stay out of the hospital with tons of medication. Took him some time, but he finally tested negative and didn't have to be hospitalized. I think the handling of things has changed over the course of the year. So I'm skeptical that Gov. Brown caved to pressure. She has shown that she won't. So why now? A change in the way things are measured and what things are measured makes the most sense to me. |
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Post by irimi on May 5, 2021 12:59:44 GMT -8
My question to you, is can I get you to play poker with me, unlimited bet size? 1. There have been no deaths that can be directly attributed in the entire US from adverse vaccine reactions ( the J&J direct relationship to the blood clot issue is not proven so that may mean <5 deaths out of 8,000,000 vaccinated even if it is proven), than there have been deaths in Benton County (19) from Covid. 2. A study by the University of Washington published in February stated that : "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found. "We were surprised to have one-third of people with mild illness still experiencing symptoms," said lead researcher Jennifer Logue. She's a research scientist with the UW department of medicine's division of allergy and infectious diseases, in Seattle. "If you contract coronavirus, there's a good chance you could experience a lingering effect."" Again the risk of a lingering long term effect of a vaccine is as low as almost any vaccine previously made. In fact due to the way these vaccines are made, they may be the safest ever made.
Your risk of being hospitalized, should you still get Covid after your vaccine has become fully functional, was reported by PBS Newshour as being 0.0005% That is 1 in 20,000, if you get sick, and the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90-95% effective at preventing getting sick in the first place.
I thin the huge hospital bills and risk of death from Covid if unvaccinated are self evident. Vaccines are free.The H1N1 2009 vaccination was found to have a 26.5% chance of negative adverse affects. And almost three years later was linked to a rare nerve disorder. And that was a much more tried and true vaccine than the current vaccine for COVID-19. I will give you that, because of what the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are, each shot may be safer. But the fact that it is two shots tends to make them inherently less safe than a one-shot vaccine. I believe that, because of what the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is, you will probably have the same or similar adverse affects and has a much higher probability of being tied to something like a rare nerve disorder or similar in 2024 or threabouts. The odds of long-term risks related to either COVID-19 or the vaccine for COVID-19 are so wildly untested and unknown that it is patently silly to try and speak authoritatively about either. I will say that I personally do not trust the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and would be very hesitant to get vaccinated using it. They are already identifying issues with it. My sister is a pharmacist, who works for the Federal government and was sounding the alarm to her friends and family before the blood clot issue was even identified. Because of how it differs from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and from the information that I have been getting from my sister, I would put money down that the identified issues will only continue to grow in both variety and scope in the weeks, months and years to come. Still, because of the inherent safety present within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and because the risk of death is still very high with coronavirus and the risk of lingering effects because of coronavirus is very high, I would encourage everyone who does not have a great reason not to to go out and get inoculated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as they are able to. The more people that are vaccinated, the better off we all are. I have been fully vaccinated for almost three weeks with the Pfizer vaccine. We are in this together. Got the H1N1 vaccine back then. Still ended up with the flu. It was nasty. Got my second dose of the Covid vaccine yesterday. The only side effect I've noticed is that the TV loses reception whenever I get near it. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 5, 2021 13:07:24 GMT -8
Here's a relatively quick read on the mRNA and Adenovirus vector vaccines and the differences between them: www.futurity.org/mrna-vaccines-adenovirus-covid-19-2489252/Based on my discussions with my pharmacist wife and everything I've read I'd agree with Wilky the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines would be the ones to get if you have a choice. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 5, 2021 13:10:34 GMT -8
I went to Bi Mart and received the Hamilton Beach vaccine. Is that any good?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 5, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -8
The H1N1 2009 vaccination was found to have a 26.5% chance of negative adverse affects. And almost three years later was linked to a rare nerve disorder. And that was a much more tried and true vaccine than the current vaccine for COVID-19. I will give you that, because of what the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are, each shot may be safer. But the fact that it is two shots tends to make them inherently less safe than a one-shot vaccine. I believe that, because of what the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is, you will probably have the same or similar adverse affects and has a much higher probability of being tied to something like a rare nerve disorder or similar in 2024 or threabouts. The odds of long-term risks related to either COVID-19 or the vaccine for COVID-19 are so wildly untested and unknown that it is patently silly to try and speak authoritatively about either. I will say that I personally do not trust the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and would be very hesitant to get vaccinated using it. They are already identifying issues with it. My sister is a pharmacist, who works for the Federal government and was sounding the alarm to her friends and family before the blood clot issue was even identified. Because of how it differs from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and from the information that I have been getting from my sister, I would put money down that the identified issues will only continue to grow in both variety and scope in the weeks, months and years to come. Still, because of the inherent safety present within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and because the risk of death is still very high with coronavirus and the risk of lingering effects because of coronavirus is very high, I would encourage everyone who does not have a great reason not to to go out and get inoculated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as they are able to. The more people that are vaccinated, the better off we all are. I have been fully vaccinated for almost three weeks with the Pfizer vaccine. We are in this together. Got the H1N1 vaccine back then. Still ended up with the flu. It was nasty. Got my second dose of the Covid vaccine yesterday. The only side effect I've noticed is that the TV loses reception whenever I get near it. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 5, 2021 13:20:13 GMT -8
Um, care to provide any backup for those numbers? I for one don’t believe them. My question to you, is can I get you to play poker with me, unlimited bet size? 1. There have been no deaths that can be directly attributed in the entire US from adverse vaccine reactions ( the J&J direct relationship to the blood clot issue is not proven so that may mean <5 deaths out of 8,000,000 vaccinated even if it is proven), than there have been deaths in Benton County (19) from Covid. 2. A study by the University of Washington published in February stated that : "About 33% of COVID-19 patients who were never sick enough to require hospitalization continue to complain months later of symptoms like fatigue, loss of smell or taste and "brain fog," University of Washington (UW) researchers found. "We were surprised to have one-third of people with mild illness still experiencing symptoms," said lead researcher Jennifer Logue. She's a research scientist with the UW department of medicine's division of allergy and infectious diseases, in Seattle. "If you contract coronavirus, there's a good chance you could experience a lingering effect."" Again the risk of a lingering long term effect of a vaccine is as low as almost any vaccine previously made. In fact due to the way these vaccines are made, they may be the safest ever made.
Your risk of being hospitalized, should you still get Covid after your vaccine has become fully functional, was reported by PBS Newshour as being 0.0005% That is 1 in 20,000, if you get sick, and the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90-95% effective at preventing getting sick in the first place.
I thin the huge hospital bills and risk of death from Covid if unvaccinated are self evident. Vaccines are free."yes, and 20%, as I said in my last edit, in Benton County may never get a shot because the 1 in a millions risk of a bad side effect is better odds than the nearly 100% chance of eventually getting the disease, and the 1-10 chance of lingering side effects from the illness, and/or huge hospital bills and/or the occasional death." No, I don't play poker actually. And thankfully there are folks out there like you to let me know how stupid I am, and take your valuable time to educate me. Thank you. I don't doubt the vaccine or its effectiveness. I have had both Pfizer shots already. You don't cite anything for your "nearly 100% chance of eventually getting the disease" claim. And then there's "A study by the University of Washington"! Ha ha! One study by one University? That's it? That's about as valid as the Spudbeaver study that everyone I know, from my college age son through 70 year old plus retirees that have had it have recovered fully. Should I say there's a zero percent chance that there's any long term lingering effects? Sorry, but that's nonsense. And what if 20% never get vaccinated? You and I are completely confident in the vaccination. Why should it matter to us if they want to risk getting sick with Covid, even though it's obviously not a 100% certainty, as you say. I don't understand the uproar. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 5, 2021 13:20:36 GMT -8
I went to Bi Mart and received the Hamilton Beach vaccine. Is that any good? Depends on the blend... |
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