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Post by thewizard on Apr 21, 2021 12:39:07 GMT -8
Canham is the same age as Pat was when he got hired at OSU. A little bit older, actually. Hopefully, it does not take Canham a cool decade to turn Oregon State into a perennial national championship contender. I remember the hiring article stating they were both 35 when hired by Oregon State to be the head coach? |
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Post by grackle on Apr 21, 2021 17:59:30 GMT -8
In 1995, Pat Casey's first year at OSU, the Beavers went 25-24-1 overall. Call it .500, since there are no ties in baseball. In conference, the team was 14-16, or .466. Of course, folks already jumped in to describe the program that Mitch inherited, so as to create the correct sets of apples and oranges for comparison purposes. In 1994, the Beaver's season line was 35-16 (.686) overall and 22-8 (.733) in conference. Let's all just stfu and let Mitch build his program, and enjoy the ride. Unlike MC, PC didn't inherit an elite program rated the among the elite in all of college ball. Add: some prefer to "STFU," some don't. There's no right or wrong here...just opinions in the wind. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Apr 21, 2021 21:11:42 GMT -8
Yes and no. Comparing then and now is comparing apples to oranges. Comparing 94 and 95 is comparing apples to apples - Pat inherited what he inherited, and built his record with it. He had to start at the beginning here - whatever level you care to call it. Elite, non-elite, "only" a 6-PAC north, etc. Yes, individual players are different, but from one year to the next adjacent year, you can compare. We've seen it every year on this board.
Regardless of what Mitch inherited, how it compares to 1994 doesn't matter. How he compares to where things left off is the orange-to-orange comparison. Otherwise, you're comparing a 1994 Ford Ranger to a 2021 Ford. "But they are both Rangers..."
Bullshine.
Mitch did inherit an elite program rated among the elite in all of college ball. Me? I'd argue he deservedly inherited it. But he ain't Pat - far as I know, nobody but Pat is Pat, and I recall a few years where even Pat wasn't himself. So what?
We're at 35 games, with a record of 25-10. After 35 games in 2019, Pat was sitting at 25-10. I pick 2019 because it was Pat's Last year, and I'm not using 2020 because, well, last year... (And Pat didn't have Covid protocols to deal with in his last, elite, year.) Still, it's about as close to an orange-to-orange a comparison as you can get.
I think Mitch is doing just fine
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 21, 2021 21:23:48 GMT -8
Yes and no. Comparing then and now is comparing apples to oranges. Comparing 94 and 95 is comparing apples to apples - Pat inherited what he inherited, and built his record with it. He had to start at the beginning here - whatever level you care to call it. Elite, non-elite, "only" a 6-PAC north, etc. Yes, individual players are different, but from one year to the next adjacent year, you can compare. We've seen it every year on this board. Regardless of what Mitch inherited, how it compares to 1994 doesn't matter. How he compares to where things left off is the orange-to-orange comparison. Otherwise, you're comparing a 1994 Ford Ranger to a 2021 Ford. "But they are both Rangers..." Bullshine. Mitch did inherit an elite program rated among the elite in all of college ball. Me? I'd argue he deservedly inherited it. But he ain't Pat - far as I know, nobody but Pat is Pat, and I recall a few years where even Pat wasn't himself. So what? We're at 35 games, with a record of 25-10. After 35 games in 2019, Pat was sitting at 25-10. I pick 2019 because it was Pat's Last year, and I'm not using 2020 because, well, last year... (And Pat didn't have Covid protocols to deal with in his last, elite, year.) Still, it's about as close to an orange-to-orange a comparison as you can get. I think Mitch is doing just fine 2019 was Pat Bailey's year. 2018 was a drop off from 56-6......but they won an NC idk what Pat's record in 2018 was after 35 games |
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Post by fishwrapper on Apr 21, 2021 21:32:23 GMT -8
You are, of course, correct, and I sit here corrected. My only defense is to suggest 2019 it was the last "Pre-Mitch" year.
Damn, 2018 seems so long ago...but I'm still enjoying the ride.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 21, 2021 22:12:21 GMT -8
In 1995, Pat Casey's first year at OSU, the Beavers went 25-24-1 overall. Call it .500, since there are no ties in baseball. In conference, the team was 14-16, or .466. Of course, folks already jumped in to describe the program that Mitch inherited, so as to create the correct sets of apples and oranges for comparison purposes. In 1994, the Beaver's season line was 35-16 (.686) overall and 22-8 (.733) in conference. Let's all just stfu and let Mitch build his program, and enjoy the ride. Another thing to note about 1995 - still the Six Pac north with a lot more games against 2nd tier teams. Thank goodness the Pac merged a few years later. 18 Pac-10 games were against Gonzaga, Portland and Portland State. That was the very last year of the Six Pac North. After that, Gonzaga and Portland's baseball teams joined the West Coast Conference. In Pat Casey's second season, the Championship of the Pac-10 North came down to the final game of the season. Washington defeated Oregon State 9-5 to win the North, but lost the Pac-10 Championship Series and was not invited to the Tournament. In 1997, Casey again lost the final game to the Huskies at the end of April 6-3. Oregon State went 10-1 thereafter but lost the North, because of the final loss in Corvallis. Washington defeated Stanford for the Pac-10 Championship, but lost two straight games to Mississippi State in the Starkville Regional to miss out on Omaha. In between Gonzaga and Portland leaving the North for the West Coast Conference and the 1998 season, Pat Casey had successfully lobbied the Southern teams for a shot to prove that the Pac-10 should be merged in to a single conference. He got his shot in 1998. Oregon State went 7-2 against USC, Arizona and UCLA. Washington went 5-4 against Stanford, Arizona State and California. The Beavers almost forced a playoff with the Huskies but lost 12-5 in Seattle in the final Pac-10 North game in Oregon State history. Washington beat Stanford twice to win the Pac-10. Washington was eliminated by Texas A&M in the College Station Regional. Arizona State won the Wichita Regional and USC won the Clemson Regional. Arizona State defeated Long Beach State, which had won the Stanford Regional to advance to the Championship Game. In the other half of the bracket, USC lost the opener in Omaha but rebounded to win five straight, the last against Arizona State, to win the National Championship, becoming the only team to do so between 1980 Arizona and 2006 Oregon State. The Pac-12 merged for the 1999 season. Casey had raised enough money to build Goss Stadium in 1999. Casey added lights to Goss Stadium in 2002. After that, Oregon State began to recruit much better, setting the Beavers up for the 2005-2018 runs. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 21, 2021 22:17:09 GMT -8
A little bit older, actually. Hopefully, it does not take Canham a cool decade to turn Oregon State into a perennial national championship contender. I remember the hiring article stating they were both 35 when hired by Oregon State to be the head coach? I believe that Canham was hired, when he was 34. Canham is now 36. Canham and Casey were both 35, when they coached their first game at Oregon State maybe? I believe that something like that is true. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 21, 2021 22:28:06 GMT -8
Yes and no. Comparing then and now is comparing apples to oranges. Comparing 94 and 95 is comparing apples to apples - Pat inherited what he inherited, and built his record with it. He had to start at the beginning here - whatever level you care to call it. Elite, non-elite, "only" a 6-PAC north, etc. Yes, individual players are different, but from one year to the next adjacent year, you can compare. We've seen it every year on this board. Regardless of what Mitch inherited, how it compares to 1994 doesn't matter. How he compares to where things left off is the orange-to-orange comparison. Otherwise, you're comparing a 1994 Ford Ranger to a 2021 Ford. "But they are both Rangers..." Bullshine. Mitch did inherit an elite program rated among the elite in all of college ball. Me? I'd argue he deservedly inherited it. But he ain't Pat - far as I know, nobody but Pat is Pat, and I recall a few years where even Pat wasn't himself. So what? We're at 35 games, with a record of 25-10. After 35 games in 2019, Pat was sitting at 25-10. I pick 2019 because it was Pat's Last year, and I'm not using 2020 because, well, last year... (And Pat didn't have Covid protocols to deal with in his last, elite, year.) Still, it's about as close to an orange-to-orange a comparison as you can get. I think Mitch is doing just fine 2019 was Pat Bailey's year. 2018 was a drop off from 56-6......but they won an NC idk what Pat's record in 2018 was after 35 games Oregon State was an identical 10-5 in the Pac-12 in 2018, but 19-1 in nonconference play, the one loss in the opener against Cal State Fullerton. 2021 Oregon State is 15-5 in nonconference play with a loss to Kansas State, Santa Clara and Gonzaga and two losses to Oregon. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 22, 2021 5:07:14 GMT -8
Another thing to note about 1995 - still the Six Pac north with a lot more games against 2nd tier teams. Thank goodness the Pac merged a few years later. 18 Pac-10 games were against Gonzaga, Portland and Portland State. That was the very last year of the Six Pac North. After that, Gonzaga and Portland's baseball teams joined the West Coast Conference. In Pat Casey's second season, the Championship of the Pac-10 North came down to the final game of the season. Washington defeated Oregon State 9-5 to win the North, but lost the Pac-10 Championship Series and was not invited to the Tournament. In 1997, Casey again lost the final game to the Huskies at the end of April 6-3. Oregon State went 10-1 thereafter but lost the North, because of the final loss in Corvallis. Washington defeated Stanford for the Pac-10 Championship, but lost two straight games to Mississippi State in the Starkville Regional to miss out on Omaha. In between Gonzaga and Portland leaving the North for the West Coast Conference and the 1998 season, Pat Casey had successfully lobbied the Southern teams for a shot to prove that the Pac-10 should be merged in to a single conference. He got his shot in 1998. Oregon State went 7-2 against USC, Arizona and UCLA. Washington went 5-4 against Stanford, Arizona State and California. The Beavers almost forced a playoff with the Huskies but lost 12-5 in Seattle in the final Pac-10 North game in Oregon State history. Washington beat Stanford twice to win the Pac-10. Washington was eliminated by Texas A&M in the College Station Regional. Arizona State won the Wichita Regional and USC won the Clemson Regional. Arizona State defeated Long Beach State, which had won the Stanford Regional to advance to the Championship Game. In the other half of the bracket, USC lost the opener in Omaha but rebounded to win five straight, the last against Arizona State, to win the National Championship, becoming the only team to do so between 1980 Arizona and 2006 Oregon State. The Pac-12 merged for the 1999 season. Casey had raised enough money to build Goss Stadium in 1999. Casey added lights to Goss Stadium in 2002. After that, Oregon State began to recruit much better, setting the Beavers up for the 2005-2018 runs. You’re making Pat sound like Bill Brasky. It was not Pat alone that pushed for the merger of the North and the South Divisions. He had help from the Washington schools. Also, Pat did not install the lights at Goss himself in 2002. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 22, 2021 10:42:03 GMT -8
There were a whole lot of older talented players that graduated at the end of 94; Casey started out with a younger team - he turned it around pretty fast after that.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 22, 2021 12:09:31 GMT -8
18 Pac-10 games were against Gonzaga, Portland and Portland State. That was the very last year of the Six Pac North. After that, Gonzaga and Portland's baseball teams joined the West Coast Conference. In Pat Casey's second season, the Championship of the Pac-10 North came down to the final game of the season. Washington defeated Oregon State 9-5 to win the North, but lost the Pac-10 Championship Series and was not invited to the Tournament. In 1997, Casey again lost the final game to the Huskies at the end of April 6-3. Oregon State went 10-1 thereafter but lost the North, because of the final loss in Corvallis. Washington defeated Stanford for the Pac-10 Championship, but lost two straight games to Mississippi State in the Starkville Regional to miss out on Omaha. In between Gonzaga and Portland leaving the North for the West Coast Conference and the 1998 season, Pat Casey had successfully lobbied the Southern teams for a shot to prove that the Pac-10 should be merged in to a single conference. He got his shot in 1998. Oregon State went 7-2 against USC, Arizona and UCLA. Washington went 5-4 against Stanford, Arizona State and California. The Beavers almost forced a playoff with the Huskies but lost 12-5 in Seattle in the final Pac-10 North game in Oregon State history. Washington beat Stanford twice to win the Pac-10. Washington was eliminated by Texas A&M in the College Station Regional. Arizona State won the Wichita Regional and USC won the Clemson Regional. Arizona State defeated Long Beach State, which had won the Stanford Regional to advance to the Championship Game. In the other half of the bracket, USC lost the opener in Omaha but rebounded to win five straight, the last against Arizona State, to win the National Championship, becoming the only team to do so between 1980 Arizona and 2006 Oregon State. The Pac-12 merged for the 1999 season. Casey had raised enough money to build Goss Stadium in 1999. Casey added lights to Goss Stadium in 2002. After that, Oregon State began to recruit much better, setting the Beavers up for the 2005-2018 runs. You’re making Pat sound like Bill Brasky. It was not Pat alone that pushed for the merger of the North and the South Divisions. He had help from the Washington schools. Also, Pat did not install the lights at Goss himself in 2002.  Blasphemy! Bill Brasky is not worthy to tie Pat Casey's shoelaces. Pat Casey fought with Mark Marquess to get Oregon State and Washington the shot at the other Pac-10 members in 1998. Do you think that that was Steve Farrington or Ken Knutson? Please! After Marquess lost the argument, Marquess told Casey that he would be sorry that Casey had to play the southern six teams. Casey did not install the lights himself, but he was personally responsible to fundraise. He hustled to raise money to fix the field. He hustled to convince the Gosses to pitch in the money for the stadium upgrade in 1999. He hustled to get the funding to install lights in 2002, so that Oregon State could basically be a real baseball team. Riley kept Oregon State baseball alive in the 80s and 90s, which was in and of itself a monumental task. Casey took the foundation that Riley had maintained and personally built Oregon State into a team that could win three National Championships in a 12-year period. Pat Casey > Bill Brasky Basta! |
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Post by fishwrapper on Apr 22, 2021 12:13:03 GMT -8
See...? Apples and oranges!
Let Mitch build his program.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 22, 2021 12:50:33 GMT -8
You’re making Pat sound like Bill Brasky. It was not Pat alone that pushed for the merger of the North and the South Divisions. He had help from the Washington schools. Also, Pat did not install the lights at Goss himself in 2002. Blasphemy! Bill Brasky is not worthy to tie Pat Casey's shoelaces. Pat Casey fought with Mark Marquess to get Oregon State and Washington the shot at the other Pac-10 members in 1998. Do you think that that was Steve Farrington or Ken Knutson? Please! After Marquess lost the argument, Marquess told Casey that he would be sorry that Casey had to play the southern six teams. Casey did not install the lights himself, but he was personally responsible to fundraise. He hustled to raise money to fix the field. He hustled to convince the Gosses to pitch in the money for the stadium upgrade in 1999. He hustled to get the funding to install lights in 2002, so that Oregon State could basically be a real baseball team. Riley kept Oregon State baseball alive in the 80s and 90s, which was in and of itself a monumental task. Casey took the foundation that Riley had maintained and personally built Oregon State into a team that could win three National Championships in a 12-year period. Pat Casey > Bill Brasky Basta! UW and WSU pushed a lot more than you're giving them credit for. It was not Pat alone. Also, we won 3 championships in 13 years, not 12........math...... |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 22, 2021 12:54:28 GMT -8
Blasphemy! Bill Brasky is not worthy to tie Pat Casey's shoelaces. Pat Casey fought with Mark Marquess to get Oregon State and Washington the shot at the other Pac-10 members in 1998. Do you think that that was Steve Farrington or Ken Knutson? Please! After Marquess lost the argument, Marquess told Casey that he would be sorry that Casey had to play the southern six teams. Casey did not install the lights himself, but he was personally responsible to fundraise. He hustled to raise money to fix the field. He hustled to convince the Gosses to pitch in the money for the stadium upgrade in 1999. He hustled to get the funding to install lights in 2002, so that Oregon State could basically be a real baseball team. Riley kept Oregon State baseball alive in the 80s and 90s, which was in and of itself a monumental task. Casey took the foundation that Riley had maintained and personally built Oregon State into a team that could win three National Championships in a 12-year period. Pat Casey > Bill Brasky Basta! UW and WSU pushed a lot more than you're giving them credit for. It was not Pat alone. Also, we won 3 championships in 13 years, not 12........math...... Now don't go all Beavermobile vs Wisky on us |
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 22, 2021 12:55:42 GMT -8
I remember the hiring article stating they were both 35 when hired by Oregon State to be the head coach? I believe that Canham was hired, when he was 34. Canham is now 36. Canham and Casey were both 35, when they coached their first game at Oregon State maybe? I believe that something like that is true. Glad we got to the bottom of this one.  |
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