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Post by justdamwin on Apr 19, 2021 10:12:43 GMT -8
I find your LBCC comment interesting considering our best hitter played there last year. I really don’t care where he gets the players from, as long as they are good. And the very good ducker pitcher was from LBCC. Anybody who thinks building a pipeline JC, like Linn Benton should be to Oregon State, is a bad thing. simply doesn’t get it. The next guy is the 2019 class 5A pitcher of the year form Central Monmouth-Independence). Putting on weight at the CC and the chance to get a lot of good innings has been perfect. There’s a lot of pipeline Jucos out there, a lot in California. Being a part of it is good recruiting. |
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Post by jefframp on Apr 19, 2021 10:55:36 GMT -8
I find your LBCC comment interesting considering our best hitter played there last year. I really don’t care where he gets the players from, as long as they are good. And the very good ducker pitcher was from LBCC. Not so! Ahlstrom pitched for Chemeketa Community College for one year as a freshman. He went to high school at North Eugene however. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 19, 2021 11:21:39 GMT -8
And the very good ducker pitcher was from LBCC. Not so! Ahlstrom pitched for Chemeketa Community College for one year as a freshman. He went to high school at North Eugene however. Don't knock us Chiefs! I went out for the baseball team there, made it through one practice and realized that "PE" baseball was more than just picks sides and play  |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 19, 2021 11:56:14 GMT -8
And the very good ducker pitcher was from LBCC. Anybody who thinks building a pipeline JC, like Linn Benton should be to Oregon State, is a bad thing. simply doesn’t get it. The next guy is the 2019 class 5A pitcher of the year form Central Monmouth-Independence). Putting on weight at the CC and the chance to get a lot of good innings has been perfect. There’s a lot of pipeline Jucos out there, a lot in California. Being a part of it is good recruiting. The community college feeder system has been great (Kyle Nobach, Dylan Pearce, and many others). Took me a while to track down the 5A HS pitcher you refer to (I was looking at LBCC....and he plays from Chemeketa). Though he got rocked this past weekend against Umpqua CC [ 3- 1/3 ip, 5 H, 7 ER, 7 BB, 7 SO], it looks like he'll get a chance to hone his skills this summer at Goss, against a mix of hitters from D-1 and other levels: he's on the Corvallis Knights 2021 roster. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 19, 2021 11:57:10 GMT -8
Sure, I’ve read your objections to the hiring of MC. But that’s how it played out. So even PC’s endorsement of MC means nothing to you? If I recall correctly, PC was part of the hiring process all along, but I’m not privy to such matters, so I could be mistaken. Certainly, he had a say in things. But I’m more interested in what you see that MC is doing wrong now. What skills do you think he doesn’t have that some other coach would have? In order to answer, you have to first recognize that losing a coach like Casey is going to change a program. Attrition is one reason. Some kids will feel (and may be convinced by others to feel) that they have been abandoned. Happens all the time. Second, a new staff has to be on the same page and get used to working together. That’ll take time. Mitch is keeping us competitive while dealing with these shortfalls. He hasn’t been perfect. Pulling pitchers like Mundt after 1 inning of work even though they are in a groove frustrates me. And early on there were some base running mistakes that were little league. But it’s baseball. No, by itself PC's approval, to me, meant little. We all want to see our friends succeed, and as loyal as PC was/is, that can easily cloud anyone's judgement. My problems with MC so far?? For example-- look at the disaster last weekend with the $chmUck$....we virtually beat ourselves with painfully similar bonehead play in three straight: hideously sloppy pitching (too many CRITICAL walks, HBPs, etc.), pathetic clutch hitting, too little use of small ball in close games, weird pitching substitution(s) (e.g., Friday ngt, last of the 8th[WTF??]), etc., etc. Overall, the unbelievably high rate of HBP (and, seemingly, walks in critical situations) by our throwers is bizarre and suggests underlying problems with coaching philosophy. MC's seeming lack of confidence when/if to use small ball absolutely reeks of an inappropriate approach for college ball. I could go on, and I hope I'm wrong as he!!, but so far I'm not impressed. “So far” is 34 games. With a .706 wining percentage. I’m pretty sure that you could find a 34 game stretch of Pat Casey’s or any other coach you’d like with a lower winning percentage. I also find it odd that any pitching trouble under Casey was always Too Late Nate’s fault but it’s all on Canham now. Relax. Let MC settle in and take control of the program without the ghost of Casey haunting him. Casey was one in a million. Be happy that you were around for his program. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 19, 2021 12:06:27 GMT -8
Baseball is about having tools and then developing those tools, right? CC is a developing ground for D1 baseball, essentially. Certain kids maybe have the tools in high school but aren't ready for D1 competition. They may either need to develop physically or mentally, or both.......Having former players coaching at CC's is a bonus as it's easier to create a pipeline, obviously.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 19, 2021 12:11:15 GMT -8
No, by itself PC's approval, to me, meant little. We all want to see our friends succeed, and as loyal as PC was/is, that can easily cloud anyone's judgement. My problems with MC so far?? For example-- look at the disaster last weekend with the $chmUck$....we virtually beat ourselves with painfully similar bonehead play in three straight: hideously sloppy pitching (too many CRITICAL walks, HBPs, etc.), pathetic clutch hitting, too little use of small ball in close games, weird pitching substitution(s) (e.g., Friday ngt, last of the 8th[WTF??]), etc., etc. Overall, the unbelievably high rate of HBP (and, seemingly, walks in critical situations) by our throwers is bizarre and suggests underlying problems with coaching philosophy. MC's seeming lack of confidence when/if to use small ball absolutely reeks of an inappropriate approach for college ball. I could go on, and I hope I'm wrong as he!!, but so far I'm not impressed. “So far” is 34 games. With a .706 wining percentage. I’m pretty sure that you could find a 34 game stretch of Pat Casey’s or any other coach you’d like with a lower winning percentage. I also find it odd that any pitching trouble under Casey was always Too Late Nate’s fault but it’s all on Canham now. Relax. Let MC settle in and take control of the program without the ghost of Casey haunting him. Casey was one in a million. Be happy that you were around for his program. It is almost a certainty that OSU will never have another baseball coach as successful and accomplished as Pat Casey. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 19, 2021 12:32:57 GMT -8
No, by itself PC's approval, to me, meant little. We all want to see our friends succeed, and as loyal as PC was/is, that can easily cloud anyone's judgement. My problems with MC so far?? For example-- look at the disaster last weekend with the $chmUck$....we virtually beat ourselves with painfully similar bonehead play in three straight: hideously sloppy pitching (too many CRITICAL walks, HBPs, etc.), pathetic clutch hitting, too little use of small ball in close games, weird pitching substitution(s) (e.g., Friday ngt, last of the 8th[WTF??]), etc., etc. Overall, the unbelievably high rate of HBP (and, seemingly, walks in critical situations) by our throwers is bizarre and suggests underlying problems with coaching philosophy. MC's seeming lack of confidence when/if to use small ball absolutely reeks of an inappropriate approach for college ball. I could go on, and I hope I'm wrong as he!!, but so far I'm not impressed. “So far” is 34 games. With a .706 wining percentage. I’m pretty sure that you could find a 34 game stretch of Pat Casey’s or any other coach you’d like with a lower winning percentage. I also find it odd that any pitching trouble under Casey was always Too Late Nate’s fault but it’s all on Canham now. Relax. Let MC settle in and take control of the program without the ghost of Casey haunting him. Casey was one in a million. Be happy that you were around for his program. In the final 34 games of 2016, Oregon State went 19-15, a .559 winning percentage. If you exclude the final two games against UCLA, in which the Beavers beat the Bruins a combined 9-0, Oregon State went 17-17 in 2016. And four of those 17 wins were against Central Arkansas and Seattle. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 19, 2021 13:47:18 GMT -8
“So far” is 34 games. With a .706 wining percentage. I’m pretty sure that you could find a 34 game stretch of Pat Casey’s or any other coach you’d like with a lower winning percentage. I also find it odd that any pitching trouble under Casey was always Too Late Nate’s fault but it’s all on Canham now. Relax. Let MC settle in and take control of the program without the ghost of Casey haunting him. Casey was one in a million. Be happy that you were around for his program. It is almost a certainty that OSU will never have another baseball coach as successful and accomplished as Pat Casey. There are very few coaches that have won 3+ national championships, and only a few schools with multiple coaches winning national championships. But then again, there also have only been 26 schools that have actually won national championships in the 72 years that the series has been played - if Mitch or another coach in the future can get us another win, we'd be in very rarified territory. |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Apr 19, 2021 14:03:21 GMT -8
It is almost a certainty that OSU will never have another baseball coach as successful and accomplished as Pat Casey. There are very few coaches that have won 3+ national championships, and only a few schools with multiple coaches winning national championships. But then again, there also have only been 26 schools that have actually won national championships in the 72 years that the series has been played - if Mitch or another coach in the future can get us another win, we'd be in very rarified territory. Please ohhh please ohhh please make it happen (sooner than later).....in my lifetime 😬 |
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Post by justdamwin on Apr 19, 2021 14:42:01 GMT -8
Anybody who thinks building a pipeline JC, like Linn Benton should be to Oregon State, is a bad thing. simply doesn’t get it. The next guy is the 2019 class 5A pitcher of the year form Central Monmouth-Independence). Putting on weight at the CC and the chance to get a lot of good innings has been perfect. There’s a lot of pipeline Jucos out there, a lot in California. Being a part of it is good recruiting. The community college feeder system has been great (Kyle Nobach, Dylan Pearce, and many others). Took me a while to track down the 5A HS pitcher you refer to (I was looking at LBCC....and he plays from Chemeketa). Though he got rocked this past weekend against Umpqua CC [ 3- 1/3 ip, 5 H, 7 ER, 7 BB, 7 SO], it looks like he'll get a chance to hone his skills this summer at Goss, against a mix of hitters from D-1 and other levels: he's on the Corvallis Knights 2021 roster. My mistake it’s the catcher from that team that is at Tangent Tech. Kantola did go to Chemeketa. Build both into CC into feeders. Seriously look at where Feather River sends players or Palomar JC. |
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Post by thewizard on Apr 20, 2021 9:12:34 GMT -8
I get it. I loved Casey as head coach, and I’d love to see him come back, but he’s gone and we have to move on. I don’t know Canham, but I don’t think he’s doing a bad job. He’s got a lot to learn, but he’ll only do that with time and experience. I want him to succeed because I know he wants to succeed. Canham is young, but he will be a very good manager by the time his career here is over. And he will have a very long and successful career despite what some of these Debbie Downers think. Pat didn’t think Yeskie was ready to be a head coach. Pat felt different about MC. Canham is the same age as Pat was when he got hired at OSU. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 20, 2021 12:31:20 GMT -8
Canham is young, but he will be a very good manager by the time his career here is over. And he will have a very long and successful career despite what some of these Debbie Downers think. Pat didn’t think Yeskie was ready to be a head coach. Pat felt different about MC. Canham is the same age as Pat was when he got hired at OSU. A little bit older, actually. Hopefully, it does not take Canham a cool decade to turn Oregon State into a perennial national championship contender. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Apr 21, 2021 7:13:56 GMT -8
In 1995, Pat Casey's first year at OSU, the Beavers went 25-24-1 overall. Call it .500, since there are no ties in baseball. In conference, the team was 14-16, or .466. Of course, folks already jumped in to describe the program that Mitch inherited, so as to create the correct sets of apples and oranges for comparison purposes.
In 1994, the Beaver's season line was 35-16 (.686) overall and 22-8 (.733) in conference.
Let's all just stfu and let Mitch build his program, and enjoy the ride.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 21, 2021 8:23:00 GMT -8
In 1995, Pat Casey's first year at OSU, the Beavers went 25-24-1 overall. Call it .500, since there are no ties in baseball. In conference, the team was 14-16, or .466. Of course, folks already jumped in to describe the program that Mitch inherited, so as to create the correct sets of apples and oranges for comparison purposes. In 1994, the Beaver's season line was 35-16 (.686) overall and 22-8 (.733) in conference. Let's all just stfu and let Mitch build his program, and enjoy the ride. Another thing to note about 1995 - still the Six Pac north with a lot more games against 2nd tier teams. Thank goodness the Pac merged a few years later. |
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