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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 5, 2021 11:15:27 GMT -8
I wasn't expecting the full 6 years, largely because I thought the school would cheap out. It is appropriate. It will allow for at least 2 years of recruiting without the "looming threat" of the coach leaving, even though these days kids should focus on which school they are buying into, not which coach.
I'd like to add one comment to the list of high school recruits above: Several/most graduated within 3-4 years. that's actually pretty darned indicative of a coaching staff taking care of business on the academic end of things in my book. I don't know how common it is in D1 ball these days, it would be curious as to how it compares with other major conference schools.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2021 11:18:56 GMT -8
What did he do the other 6 years other than pad his sons stats? And give up recruiting high school kids and go to JC"s and the portal? This board attacked Altman for that recruiting style but he also got 5 stars.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 5, 2021 11:22:32 GMT -8
First, I think an extension was well deserved. To be honest though I was hoping for a total of 3 years (additional year for making tourney plus two more) rather than the four. Second, I am hopeful that this late season and tourney runs is the start of a long stretch of conference and national relevance. But I hoped the same thing after the Beavers last tournament appearance. And we are talking about a team that was .500 in conference and wouldn’t have made the NCAA tournament without the great run in the conference tourney. The arrow is definitely pointing up and I’m hopeful WT and company can keep things moving that way. Interested to see what team looks like next year, but until then congrats WT.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 5, 2021 11:30:17 GMT -8
Sometime, you have to turn the corner - let's hope this is the corner and WT is becoming another one of the OSU Coaches! Go Beavs.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 5, 2021 11:37:59 GMT -8
What did he do the other 6 years other than pad his sons stats? And give up recruiting high school kids and go to JC"s and the portal? This board attacked Altman for that recruiting style but he also got 5 stars. beaverclever is that you?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 5, 2021 11:57:51 GMT -8
Sometime, you have to turn the corner - let's hope this is the corner and WT is becoming another one of the OSU Coaches! Go Beavs. I still this we're at least a year or two out from really "turning the corner" enough to satisfy a lot of posters. If the Beavers are anywhere near 500 or less in the Pac12 at mid-season next season there will be plenty of posts lamenting how much money was "wasted" on Tinkle. That's the way of the world I guess. I am glad he's getting a well deserved extension. Ralph Miller and Pat Casey would likely have not made it to their 9th and 10th seasons, respectively, before the majority of their successes occurred, under today's fans .
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Post by nabeav on Apr 5, 2021 13:22:52 GMT -8
Man guys, I don't see extending him as "wasting money."
Once upon a time we had a football coach that was making somewhere around $1.2M a year. He was largely happy making $1.2M a year, had turned down offers from other, larger schools for more money, and we had experienced some conference and national success under this coach, though the last few years had not been great. He had a lengthy contract that people thought was "costing us money" and we needed to cut bait immediately.
Well, those people got their wish. Even better, the coach willingly took a job at another school, saving us the modest buyout that I think would've been in the neighborhood of $8M. OSU goes out and lands a prominent coach from a B1G school who had just taken his team to the conference championship game. We hired this coach at a salary of roughly $2.1M and paid his assistants a larger sum than the previous staff was getting. While this coach seemed like an upgrade, with his 3-4 D that people had been asking for and his more up tempo offense and quarterbacks that could beat you with their arms, legs, and minds.....what we ended up getting was a turd sandwich of a defense that was often out of position and wide receivers and linebackers playing QB who couldn't beat a drum.
There's no way you can tell me that the change from Mike Riley to Gary Andersen didn't cost the university money.
I could potentially see the same thing happening if Tinkle was not extended. He ends up going elsewhere, we hire a new coach at a salary above what we were paying Tinks, a bunch of guys hit the portal as kids are wont to do these days, the program drags for a few years, the new coach gets frustrated, blames Corvallis for being too off the beaten path, and ends up fired or quitting while we repeat the entire cycle. It's not worth it to me.
Tinkle gives us a chance to win nearly every time we hit the floor. Sure, we get beat soundly from time to time (who doesn't?), but his teams get better as the season progresses, he has a great record against our rival, and his conference record is pretty close to .500 over the past 3 seasons. He just went toe to toe with a team with 3 losses on the season that was ranked in the top ten all year, and had the game tied with 2 minutes to go and a final four berth on the line.
I don't get how anyone could think that it would be worth letting him walk in the HOPES that the next guy could do better.
Hiring a new coach is rarely a slam dunk. Look at Bobby Hurley or Mike Hopkins or Jerod Haase, who all took over for coaches of teams that weren't necessarily bad, but were probably going through similar seasons as Oregon State (minus the Elite 8 run). ASU, Washington, and Stanford are no better off now than they were under Sendek, Romar, or Dawkins. They're treading water. Utah's about to find out if firing Coach (lowercase) k is going to be worth it.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 5, 2021 13:42:13 GMT -8
I'm in complete agreement with you nabeav, but the grousing will likely come. Not extending him potentially cost a lot more than extending him if he were to decide to move on.
On a side note, my last post was on a phone and it auto-corrected "think" to "this", which didn't make sense and I didn't catch it - hate it when that happens.
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 5, 2021 13:58:18 GMT -8
I hope tinkle succeeds. But I don't consider just being slightly better than a 500 overall record success especially with the millions he was just given. If we are again looking at a hopeful invite to the NIT the naysayers will be back.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 5, 2021 14:02:02 GMT -8
Man guys, I don't see extending him as "wasting money." We hired this coach at a salary of roughly $2.1M and paid his assistants a larger sum than the previous staff was getting.And that still puts him what 8th? 9th? highest paid coach in the conference? I guess Stanford doesn't release salaries, but I would expect them to pay more than we are. It's not like we gave the guy a big raise AND an extension.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 5, 2021 14:23:11 GMT -8
I hope tinkle succeeds. But I don't consider just being slightly better than a 500 overall record success especially with the millions he was just given. If we are again looking at a hopeful invite to the NIT the naysayers will be back. 2016-17 was an outlier. It's more than three standard deviations below the mean. Oregon State went 17-14, 19-13, 16-16, 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 in the other six seasons. The two best seasons in the past 31 years, five of the six best seasons in the past 31 years and six of the nine best seasons in the past 30 years. Man, if this season does not buy Tinkle at least one borderline NIT season for all Oregon State fans, then I really have to question those fans' intelligence. If we are staring at two losing seasons in a row or three non-winning seasons in a row or just one real bad clunker, then I think that we can start a discussion. Until then, it is all vanity and folly. Tinkle could slip into a coma today and still be unquestionably the best coach since Miller.
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Post by nabeav on Apr 5, 2021 14:26:21 GMT -8
Man guys, I don't see extending him as "wasting money." We hired this coach at a salary of roughly $2.1M and paid his assistants a larger sum than the previous staff was getting.And that still puts him what 8th? 9th? highest paid coach in the conference? I guess Stanford doesn't release salaries, but I would expect them to pay more than we are. It's not like we gave the guy a big raise AND an extension. Just to clear this up, I was talking about Gary Andersen's salary at $2.1M. I think Tinkle is in the same ballpark, and I'm not sure what Craig was getting prior to Wayne's arrival. If I recall, Wayne's contract paid him something like $800K the first year and he basically said "I'll earn a pay raise."
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 5, 2021 14:27:22 GMT -8
And that still puts him what 8th? 9th? highest paid coach in the conference? I guess Stanford doesn't release salaries, but I would expect them to pay more than we are. It's not like we gave the guy a big raise AND an extension. Just to clear this up, I was talking about Gary Andersen's salary at $2.1M. I think Tinkle is in the same ballpark, and I'm not sure what Craig was getting prior to Wayne's arrival. If I recall, Wayne's contract paid him something like $800K the first year and he basically said "I'll earn a pay raise." Tinkle made $2.2 million this year. He also gave up $450K in bonuses from the postseason. Plenty of chicken when you live in Philomath.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 5, 2021 14:34:30 GMT -8
Glad they got this done...this had zero to do with Canzano. Wayne deserved and got an extension. He gives us stability in a key program and momentum. Great job Scott Barnes and Co. for locking up a key piece of our coaching stable. Now make sure our assistant coaches are compensated well because they are the guys who have developed key relationships with recruits.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 5, 2021 14:45:47 GMT -8
And that still puts him what 8th? 9th? highest paid coach in the conference? I guess Stanford doesn't release salaries, but I would expect them to pay more than we are. It's not like we gave the guy a big raise AND an extension. Just to clear this up, I was talking about Gary Andersen's salary at $2.1M. I think Tinkle is in the same ballpark, and I'm not sure what Craig was getting prior to Wayne's arrival. If I recall, Wayne's contract paid him something like $800K the first year and he basically said "I'll earn a pay raise." ahh, poor reading comprehension on my end and thought you were referring to WT as he was somewhere in the low $2M range. Either way, we're paying the guy a pretty reasonable salary IMO compared to rest of the P12, the extension to me is just part of doing business in a major conference...
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