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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 5, 2021 15:37:54 GMT -8
I hope tinkle succeeds. But I don't consider just being slightly better than a 500 overall record success especially with the millions he was just given. If we are again looking at a hopeful invite to the NIT the naysayers will be back. 2016-17 was an outlier. It's more than three standard deviations below the mean. Oregon State went 17-14, 19-13, 16-16, 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 in the other six seasons. The two best seasons in the past 31 years, five of the six best seasons in the past 31 years and six of the nine best seasons in the past 30 years. Man, if this season does not buy Tinkle at least one borderline NIT season for all Oregon State fans, then I really have to question those fans' intelligence. If we are staring at two losing seasons in a row or three non-winning seasons in a row or just one real bad clunker, then I think that we can start a discussion. Until then, it is all vanity and folly. Tinkle could slip into a coma today and still be unquestionably the best coach since Miller. I wish more people would get this. Tinkle has had ONE really bad year, a 5-27 type of bad year that hangs on him like a massive statistical albatross. In all years that were not that year, as you have noted he is 108-82 overall with two NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA tournament wins. With that year, he is 113 - 109... with two NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA tournament wins In the last 7 years lets look at NCAA tournament appearances by Pac-12 schools since 2014-2015 season (Tinkle's first) Oregon, 6 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021) UCLA, 5 (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2021) Arizona, 4 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) USC, 3 (2016, 2017, 2021) ASU, 3 (2014, 2018, 2019) Colorado, 3 (2014, 2016, 2021) Oregon State, 2 (2016, 2021)Utah, 2 (2015, 2016) California, 1 (2016) Stanford, 1 (2014) Washington, 1 (2019) Washington State, 0 Oregon, UCLA, Arizona are the schools that are clearly a tier above. USC, ASU, Colorado have one more appearance over 7 years, Tinkle has been better than 4 schools. Tinkle is indisputably our best coach since Miller, there is zero reason to even entertain the notion of trying to find somebody else when he LITERALLY just took a team to the elite 8. That is the kind of season teams chase hires for. why they fire coaches after 3 season... to find the guy that will get them to the NCAA, to the 16, and to the 8. Tinkle damn near got us to the final 4, with a tied game with 3 minutes to go against an opponent favored by 15... Any thought whatsoever of not retaining this guy, not extending him for years and showing recruits and the nation you are all in behind him is utter idiocy... there is no other word for it... pure and simple idiocy. |
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Post by nabeav on Apr 5, 2021 15:48:08 GMT -8
He's been .500 or better in 6 of 7 seasons, been to two NCAA tournaments, won a Pac-12 Tournament, and made an Elite 8. And some people on this board are like:  |
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 5, 2021 16:10:06 GMT -8
Very impressed that OSU got this done. Being able to retain a coach who has found success at OSU is a big deal. I like to believe he’s figured out how to win at OSU, which is something clearly rare since the 80s. Whether it pans out or not doesn’t matter at this point - the point is the university showed it values the right metrics and trajectory.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 5, 2021 16:33:30 GMT -8
He's been .500 or better in 6 of 7 seasons, been to two NCAA tournaments, won a Pac-12 Tournament, and made an Elite 8. And some people on this board are like: Not to mention in 2018/19 the Beavs finished tied for 4th in the league and managed to get snubbed by both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. If I recall it largely due to automatic qualifiers in an odd year where underdogs won a lot of league tournaments. In a normal year that would have been another post season tournament of some type. Who knows how last year would have played out if it hadn't been shut down early. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 5, 2021 17:06:37 GMT -8
2016-17 was an outlier. It's more than three standard deviations below the mean. Oregon State went 17-14, 19-13, 16-16, 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 in the other six seasons. The two best seasons in the past 31 years, five of the six best seasons in the past 31 years and six of the nine best seasons in the past 30 years. Man, if this season does not buy Tinkle at least one borderline NIT season for all Oregon State fans, then I really have to question those fans' intelligence. If we are staring at two losing seasons in a row or three non-winning seasons in a row or just one real bad clunker, then I think that we can start a discussion. Until then, it is all vanity and folly. Tinkle could slip into a coma today and still be unquestionably the best coach since Miller. I wish more people would get this. Tinkle has had ONE really bad year, a 5-27 type of bad year that hangs on him like a massive statistical albatross. In all years that were not that year, as you have noted he is 108-82 overall with two NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA tournament wins. With that year, he is 113 - 109... with two NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA tournament wins In the last 7 years lets look at NCAA tournament appearances by Pac-12 schools since 2014-2015 season (Tinkle's first) Oregon, 6 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021) UCLA, 5 (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2021) Arizona, 4 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) USC, 3 (2016, 2017, 2021) ASU, 3 (2014, 2018, 2019) Colorado, 3 (2014, 2016, 2021) Oregon State, 2 (2016, 2021)Utah, 2 (2015, 2016) California, 1 (2016) Stanford, 1 (2014) Washington, 1 (2019) Washington State, 0 Oregon, UCLA, Arizona are the schools that are clearly a tier above. USC, ASU, Colorado have one more appearance over 7 years, Tinkle has been better than 4 schools. Tinkle is indisputably our best coach since Miller, there is zero reason to even entertain the notion of trying to find somebody else when he LITERALLY just took a team to the elite 8. That is the kind of season teams chase hires for. why they fire coaches after 3 season... to find the guy that will get them to the NCAA, to the 16, and to the 8. Tinkle damn near got us to the final 4, with a tied game with 3 minutes to go against an opponent favored by 15... Any thought whatsoever of not retaining this guy, not extending him for years and showing recruits and the nation you are all in behind him is utter idiocy... there is no other word for it... pure and simple idiocy. I actually have to correct my own table, I counted too many years. on my first table 2014 is really the 2013-2014 season.... Fixed to ACTUALLY reflect Tinkle's tenure (ie, remove 2014 appearances as Tinkle's first year was the 2015 NCAA tournament) Oregon, 5 (2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021) UCLA, 4 (2015, 2017, 2018, 2021) Arizona, 3 (2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) USC, 3 (2016, 2017, 2021) Oregon State, 2 (2016, 2021)ASU, 2 (2018, 2019) Colorado, 2 (2016, 2021) Utah, 2 (2015, 2016) California, 1 (2016) Washington, 1 (2019) Stanford, 0 Washington State, 0 Oregon State is equal to, or better than 7 Pac-12 teams. OSU is bested by 4 Pac-12 teams in tourney appearances. As noted by drunkandstoopidbeav, we were likely snubbed in 2019... 18 wins, fourth in conference, over .500 conference record. We were CERTAINLY snubbed for NIT. Last year, I think it really was a disappointing season, but I will be damned if that first tournament win and the way we closed out the season sure looked a whole lot like this year. Anyways, my point remains. Teams chase coaches that get their teams to the tournament. Tinkle accomplished what teams through buckets of cash after: a deep March run that splashed OSU all over national media as the cinderella team of 2021. A couple other teams tried for the crown, but OSU wore it, and made the elite 8. It wasn't luck, it wasn't weird circumstance, it wasn't a stream of unlikely buzzer beaters and facing COVID riddle teams or teams missing stars... it was decisive victories on the basketball court. This extension is well deserved. Hell, I would go as far to say, had Barnes not extended him to a MINIMUM of what he just got, we should be starting the FIRE BARNES site up, ASAP. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 5, 2021 17:18:36 GMT -8
He's been .500 or better in 6 of 7 seasons, been to two NCAA tournaments, won a Pac-12 Tournament, and made an Elite 8. And some people on this board are like: Not to mention in 2018/19 the Beavs finished tied for 4th in the league and managed to get snubbed by both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. If I recall it largely due to automatic qualifiers in an odd year where underdogs won a lot of league tournaments. In a normal year that would have been another post season tournament of some type. Who knows how last year would have played out if it hadn't been shut down early. Pac -12 Men's Basketball Conference Tournament Champions since Tinkle was hired: Arizona 3, 2015, 2017, 2018 Oregon 2, 2016, 2019 Oregon State 1, 2021 Oregon State was won more conference championships under Tinkle than 9 other conference teams. 2 other Conference teams have won more. Just sayin'... Tinkle is the first coach in the conference to break the Arizona/Oregon stranglehold. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 5, 2021 19:00:27 GMT -8
Speakthetruth is Baseball 7-11 reincarnated.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Apr 5, 2021 20:43:25 GMT -8
Ralph Miller and Pat Casey would likely have not made it to their 9th and 10th seasons, respectively, before the majority of their successes occurred, under today's fans . I agree.. people don't have the patience now days to let a coach hang around long enough see what may happen.. usually 4-5 seassons and move on to the next guy.. FWIW Millers first 9 seasons at OSU he was 145-103.. .585 winning percentage..1 NCAA Tournament and 1 NIT His last 10 seasons at OSU.. 214-83 .. 721 winning percentage.. 7 NCAA Tournaments.. 2 NIT... 4 PAC 10 Regular season championships John Wooden didnt win any NCAA championships in his first 15 seasons at UCLA.. then won 10 of the next 12.. make of it what you will |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 5, 2021 20:45:22 GMT -8
Speakthetruth is Baseball 7-11 reincarnated. close but no cigar |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2021 12:18:03 GMT -8
Not to mention in 2018/19 the Beavs finished tied for 4th in the league and managed to get snubbed by both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. If I recall it largely due to automatic qualifiers in an odd year where underdogs won a lot of league tournaments. In a normal year that would have been another post season tournament of some type. Who knows how last year would have played out if it hadn't been shut down early. Pac -12 Men's Basketball Conference Tournament Champions since Tinkle was hired: Arizona 3, 2015, 2017, 2018 Oregon 2, 2016, 2019 Oregon State 1, 2021 Oregon State was won more conference championships under Tinkle than 9 other conference teams. 2 other Conference teams have won more. Just sayin'... Tinkle is the first coach in the conference to break the Arizona/Oregon stranglehold. And the first one to not cheat to win the Pac-12 since Tinkle was hired. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 6, 2021 12:42:03 GMT -8
Not to mention in 2018/19 the Beavs finished tied for 4th in the league and managed to get snubbed by both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. If I recall it largely due to automatic qualifiers in an odd year where underdogs won a lot of league tournaments. In a normal year that would have been another post season tournament of some type. Who knows how last year would have played out if it hadn't been shut down early. Pac -12 Men's Basketball Conference Tournament Champions since Tinkle was hired: Arizona 3, 2015, 2017, 2018 Oregon 2, 2016, 2019 Oregon State 1, 2021 Oregon State was won more conference championships under Tinkle than 9 other conference teams. 2 other Conference teams have won more. Just sayin'... Tinkle is the first coach in the conference to break the Arizona/Oregon stranglehold. Tinkle has won zero conference championships. 1 conference tourney championship. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -8
He's been .500 or better in 6 of 7 seasons, been to two NCAA tournaments, won a Pac-12 Tournament, and made an Elite 8. And some people on this board are like: Not to mention in 2018/19 the Beavs finished tied for 4th in the league and managed to get snubbed by both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. If I recall it largely due to automatic qualifiers in an odd year where underdogs won a lot of league tournaments. In a normal year that would have been another post season tournament of some type. Who knows how last year would have played out if it hadn't been shut down early. 2019. Oregon State finished fourth in the Pac-12 in 2019 but was really third, because Utah did so poorly in nonconference play. The Utes lost in the first round to the Ducks, which basically eliminated Utah from postseason contention. The Beavers neededa win to indisputably wrap up an NIT hosting bid lost in the first round of the Pac-12 Tournament to fifth-seed Colorado. Oregon wound up winning the Pac-12 Tournament over Washington. Oregon, Washington and Arizona State received NCAA Tournament invites, the Devils supposedly one of the last four in. Oregon went to the Sweet Sixteen as a 12-seed before losing to eventual National Champion Virginia by four. Washington "upset" Utah State before bowing out to one-seed North Carolina. Arizona State beat the glorified high school team from St. John's by nine basically on the road in the play-in game. Colorado received a four-seed in the NIT and won two games in Boulder before losing to Texas in Austin. The Longhorns ultimately won the NIT in 2019. The Big East was silly overrated in 2019. Nova won the regular season and Tournament Championship in 2019 and was awarded a six-seed. Nova survived 11-seed St. Mary's by four before losing to three-seed Purdue by 26 in what amounted to home games for Nova. Nova was the only Big East team to win a game in the Tournament in 2019. Marquette finished second in the Big East but was quizzically was awarded a five-seed. Murray State beat Marquette by 19 in the First Round of the Tournament. Seton Hall finished third in the Big East and second in the Big East Tournament but lost to Wofford College by 16 in the First Round of the Tournament. St. John's finished seventh in the Big East but were given a spot in the Tournament to lose by nine to Arizona State in the play-in game in a veritable home game for St. John's. Even more ridiculous than the NCAA Tournament, the Big East received five invites to the NIT. Xavier, which finished fourth in the Big East regular season and Tournament received a three-seed. It beat mighty Toledo by six at home before losing to Texas in Austin. Creighton finished fifth in the Big East but lost to TCU by 13 at TCU. TCU wound up losing to Texas by 14 at the Garden. Georgetown finished sixth in the Big East and was awarded a three-seed. The Hoyas lost at home to Harvard by three. Providence finished eighth and was given a four-seed. It lost in Providence to Arkansas (SEC #9) by 12. Butler finished ninth in the Big East and was given a five-seed, losing to mighty Nebraska in Lincoln. Nine Big East teams apparently warranted invites to the NIT over Pac-12 #4 Oregon State, which was just plain stupid. Middling Big East teams would have been rolled by middling Pac-12 teams. There was an obvious talent disparity that did not show up in the numbers. To add insult to injury, Oregon State was passed over in favor of San Diego, which finished seventh with a losing record in the West Coast Conference. San Diego had a worse record in the regular season than Oregon State and finished with a worse conference record in a worse conference. Moreover, San Diego finished 10 spots below Oregon State in the final NET rankings. Nevertheless, San Diego received an invite over Oregon State. Oregon State finished ahead of St. John's in the final Ken Pom rankings. Oregon State also finished ahead of UNC Greensboro, which received a one-seed in the NIT; Georgetown, which received a three-seed in the NIT; Davidson, which received a four-seed in the NIT; and San Diego. The Beavers should have received an invite to the NIT in 2019. There were only 10 AQs in 2019, the fewest since 2010. The newest change in Conference Tournaments, though, was that the Ivy League started its Conference Tournament in 2018. Harvard became the Ivy League's first (and so far only) AQ into the NIT in 2019. If the Big East had been correctly evaluated or San Diego rightfully been kept out or had one more regular season champion not lost its conference tournament, Oregon State likely gets in. As it was, the Beavers should have received an invite to the NIT, they just weren't invited. 2020 In 2020, Oregon State had a NET ranking of 71. St. John's received an invite to the Tournament with a NET of 73 in 2019, so, arguably, the Beavers were a bubble team as well in 2020. (But that would have been silly to realistically talk about, almost as silly as St. John's being invited in 2019.) The Beavers would have probably been a bubble team with a win over the Ducks. And Oregon State was probably a lock to receive an NIT invite with a loss to Oregon, assuming that the Beavers did not get slaughtered. Instead, the lockdown wiped the game. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2021 13:57:00 GMT -8
Pac -12 Men's Basketball Conference Tournament Champions since Tinkle was hired: Arizona 3, 2015, 2017, 2018 Oregon 2, 2016, 2019 Oregon State 1, 2021 Oregon State was won more conference championships under Tinkle than 9 other conference teams. 2 other Conference teams have won more. Just sayin'... Tinkle is the first coach in the conference to break the Arizona/Oregon stranglehold. Tinkle has won zero conference championships. 1 conference tourney championship. 1 Pac-12 Conference Championship. 0 regular season championships. Both the regular season and tournament champions are officially Champions of the Pac-12 Conference. You are stating a distinction without a difference. And you appear to be doing it for no other reason than to put down the team or Tinkle or something, because one of the Tinkles kicked your dog or something. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 6, 2021 14:00:28 GMT -8
Tinkle has won zero conference championships. 1 conference tourney championship. 1 Pac-12 Conference Championship. 0 regular season championships. Both the regular season and tournament champions are officially Champions of the Pac-12 Conference. You are stating a distinction without a difference. And you appear to be doing it for no other reason than to put down the team or Tinkle or something, because one of the Tinkles kicked your dog or something. Tinkle has a Pac12 Conference Tournament Championship. It is not a Pac12 Conference Championship.........you should know this mr. wilkismartypants. We will not be hanging up a Pac12 Conference Championship banner, because we did not win the conference. The ucks did. We won the tourney. It is different in other conferences, but that distinction has always been made in the Pac10/Pac12. We are not "official" conference champions. And I have been one of the Tinkle defenders over the years. Not sure where that comment came from. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 6, 2021 14:24:59 GMT -8
1 Pac-12 Conference Championship. 0 regular season championships. Both the regular season and tournament champions are officially Champions of the Pac-12 Conference. You are stating a distinction without a difference. And you appear to be doing it for no other reason than to put down the team or Tinkle or something, because one of the Tinkles kicked your dog or something. Tinkle has a Pac12 Conference Tournament Championship. It is not a Pac12 Conference Championship.........you should know this mr. wilkismartypants. We will not be hanging up a Pac12 Conference Championship banner, because we did not win the conference. The ucks did. We won the tourney. It is different in other conferences, but that distinction has always been made in the Pac10/Pac12. We are not "official" conference champions. And I have been one of the Tinkle defenders over the years. Not sure where that comment came from. I apologize. I was assuming from your Baylor comments. It could just be that you are a big Baylor fan? Dunno. Your statement about the distinction appears to be incorrect, because UCLA has been saying that their Pac-12 Tournament Championship in 2014 was a Pac-12 Conference Championship. Also, the Wildcats are referring to Oregon State as the 2021 Pac-12 Champion without distinction and merely referring to Oregon as the Regular Season Champion. There are a host of similar media referring to Oregon State as Pac-12 Champions without distinction. So, is there something that you are referring to that you are aware of, wherein the Regular Season Champion is the "Champion" and the Tournament Champion is not? Or what is the point of your distinction? |
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