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Post by seastape on Apr 7, 2021 19:53:33 GMT -8
Who's the conference champion? The conference tourney winner, of course. I bought this t-shirt on the Oregon State Athletics website: shop.osubeavers.com/oregon-state-beavers/men/t-13339144+ga-89+z-968690-4020325382?_s=bm-osubeaversite&utm_medium=referralOn the tshirt, it says, "2021 Pac-12 Men's Basketball Champions Oregon State." I used to think the conference champion was from the regular season, but I don't think so. Like all post-season play, who wins the post-season tournament is the champion, not the regular season best record. Go back down the list of NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. champions: it was never the team with the best record; it was the team who won the post-season tournament. Same with Div. 1-AA, Div-II, and Div. III NCAA football. There have been plenty of teams that were not #1 seeds in the NCAA basketball Tournament that won the whole thing. Their regular season record doesn't matter for jack anymore. How many people outside of Oregon State know what our regular season baseball record was in 2007? Answer is very few. But they know they can look it up and find out who won the college world series. The only time that it matters who had the best regilar-season conference record is when there is no post-season conference tournament. Not convicned? THe NCAA is. The automatic bids to the NCAA basketball tournament go to the conference tourney winners, not the teams with the regular season best conference record. Best conference record means nothing for a lot of conferences; it is only the conference tournament winners. The description of the t shirt even says tournament champions. Many other conferences recognize their tournament champion as their conference champion, but that is not how it works in the Pac-12. Doesn’t mean I won’t buy a shirt though. Not the black one...this one: shop.osubeavers.com/mens-fanatics-branded-charcoal-oregon-state-beavers-2021-pac-12-mens-basketball-conference-tournament-champions-t-shirt/p-37020655633522+z-9914-631401444?_ref=p-GALP:m-GRID:i-r0c0:po-0
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Post by seastape on Apr 7, 2021 19:59:13 GMT -8
Who's the conference champion? The conference tourney winner, of course. I bought this t-shirt on the Oregon State Athletics website: shop.osubeavers.com/oregon-state-beavers/men/t-13339144+ga-89+z-968690-4020325382?_s=bm-osubeaversite&utm_medium=referralOn the tshirt, it says, "2021 Pac-12 Men's Basketball Champions Oregon State." I used to think the conference champion was from the regular season, but I don't think so. Like all post-season play, who wins the post-season tournament is the champion, not the regular season best record. Go back down the list of NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. champions: it was never the team with the best record; it was the team who won the post-season tournament. Same with Div. 1-AA, Div-II, and Div. III NCAA football. There have been plenty of teams that were not #1 seeds in the NCAA basketball Tournament that won the whole thing. Their regular season record doesn't matter for jack anymore. How many people outside of Oregon State know what our regular season baseball record was in 2007? Answer is very few. But they know they can look it up and find out who won the college world series. The only time that it matters who had the best regilar-season conference record is when there is no post-season conference tournament. Not convicned? THe NCAA is. The automatic bids to the NCAA basketball tournament go to the conference tourney winners, not the teams with the regular season best conference record. Best conference record means nothing for a lot of conferences; it is only the conference tournament winners. Believe whatever you want pal. Nobody's gonna stop you. If it says it on a t-shirt it must be true. No need to get angry, champ. Merely suggesting that someone at OSU's athletic department must agree seeing as how their selling the t-shirt on their sight. You can even ignore my point that the NCAA tournament selection committee seems to agree with me because they take conference tourney winners, not teams with the best regular-season conference record.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 7, 2021 20:13:26 GMT -8
Believe whatever you want pal. Nobody's gonna stop you. If it says it on a t-shirt it must be true. No need to get angry, champ. Merely suggesting that someone at OSU's athletic department must agree seeing as how their selling the t-shirt on their sight. You can even ignore my point that the NCAA tournament selection committee seems to agree with me because they take conference tourney winners, not teams with the best regular-season conference record. Not angry at all. The Conference designates who gets its single automatic bid, not the selection committee. If it had been left up to the selection committee OSU would still have been a bubble team at best even after winning the conference tournament by virtue of their 10-10 (13-10 counting P12T) conf and 17-12 overall record. The tournament chair publicly said that OSU would not have been selected had they not won the automatic slot via P12T final win. Hypothetically a team could come into the P12T winless and yet if they somehow managed to win 4 straight & win the P12T, that team would receive the conference’s automatic bid, despite their 4-30 record and despite having absolutely no chance in hell to otherwise receive an at-large bid. In your world, that 4-30 team that finished dead last in the 18 game conference season would somehow be the “PAC-12 Champion” by virtue of those 4 wins. Either you see the absurdity of that or you don’t. But hey, believe what you want to believe. Whatever gets you through the night. I’m just explaining why the facts support my position.
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Post by seastape on Apr 7, 2021 21:11:38 GMT -8
No need to get angry, champ. Merely suggesting that someone at OSU's athletic department must agree seeing as how their selling the t-shirt on their sight. You can even ignore my point that the NCAA tournament selection committee seems to agree with me because they take conference tourney winners, not teams with the best regular-season conference record. Not angry at all. The Conference designates who gets their automatic bid, not the selection committee. If it had been left up to the selection committee OSU would still have been a bubble team at best even after winning the conference tournament by virtue of their 10-10 (13-10 counting P12T) conf and 17-12 overall record. The tournament chair publicly said that OSU would not have been selected had they not won the automatic slot via P12T final win. Hypothetically a team could come into the P12T winless and yet if they somehow managed to win 4 straight & win the P12T, that team would receive the conference’s automatic bid, despite their 4-30 record and despite having absolutely no chance in hell to otherwise receive an at-large bid. In your world, that 4-30 team that finished dead last in the 18 game conference season would somehow be the “PAC-12 Champion” by virtue of those 4 wins. Either you see the absurdity of that or you don’t. But hey, believe what you want to believe. Whatever gets you through the night. I’m just explaining why the facts support my position. If I'm wrong on this issue, and I have the ability to admit I may well be, I'll get through the night just fine. I really don't understand your need to be insulting over what is a pretty minor issue about a minor subject--sports for Pete's sake! Lighten up! Hell, if the Pac 12 makes the distinction between regular-season champion and tournament champion, I suppose I am wrong. Nevertheless, it is absurd, but a team with a terrible regular-season record can still wind up champion. What's the point of the regular season? The regular season in virtually every sport is to position the teams for the post-season. In college football it's better bowls or being selected and seeded in the 4-team championship. But in every other sport better records = better seeds and home-field advantage in the post-season, except for MLB which makes its All-Star game relevant by giving the winner the home-field advantage for the World Series. The post-season determines the champion. I do believe that there have been .500 and even sub-.500 teams to make the post-season in a few professional sports and they thus they have the ability to make it to and win the championship game. Why have a post-season conference tourney if not to determine the champion? What's the point of the Super Bowl? And are you sure it is the conference that determines the automatic bid and not the NCAA? It seems bizarre to me that 32 conferences all agree that the conference tournament winner gets the automatic bid. Wouldn't at least one of the conferences have determined that the best record beats out the team that got hot for a 3-4 game stretch? I honestly don't know, but it seems illogical to think that not one conference has ever rejected an automatic bid going to a cruddy team that got on a lucky run at the right time. Whatever. Like I said, it's a minor issue and I don't really give a crud.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 7, 2021 21:17:01 GMT -8
Not angry at all. The Conference designates who gets their automatic bid, not the selection committee. If it had been left up to the selection committee OSU would still have been a bubble team at best even after winning the conference tournament by virtue of their 10-10 (13-10 counting P12T) conf and 17-12 overall record. The tournament chair publicly said that OSU would not have been selected had they not won the automatic slot via P12T final win. Hypothetically a team could come into the P12T winless and yet if they somehow managed to win 4 straight & win the P12T, that team would receive the conference’s automatic bid, despite their 4-30 record and despite having absolutely no chance in hell to otherwise receive an at-large bid. In your world, that 4-30 team that finished dead last in the 18 game conference season would somehow be the “PAC-12 Champion” by virtue of those 4 wins. Either you see the absurdity of that or you don’t. But hey, believe what you want to believe. Whatever gets you through the night. I’m just explaining why the facts support my position. If I'm wrong on this issue, and I have the ability to admit I may well be, I'll get through the night just fine. I really don't understand your need to be insulting over what is a pretty minor issue about a minor subject--sports for Pete's sake! Lighten up! Hell, if the Pac 12 makes the distinction between regular-season champion and tournament champion, I suppose I am wrong. Nevertheless, it is absurd, but a team with a terrible regular-season record can still wind up champion. What's the point of the regular season? The regular season in virtually every sport is to position the teams for the post-season. In college football it's better bowls or being selected and seeded in the 4-team championship. But in every other sport better records = better seeds and home-field advantage in the post-season, except for MLB which makes its All-Star game relevant by giving the winner the home-field advantage for the World Series. The post-season determines the champion. I do believe that there have been .500 and even sub-.500 teams to make the post-season in a few professional sports and they thus they have the ability to make it to and win the championship game. Why have a post-season conference tourney if not to determine the champion? What's the point of the Super Bowl? And are you sure it is the conference that determines the automatic bid and not the NCAA? It seems bizarre to me that 32 conferences all agree that the conference tournament winner gets the automatic bid. Wouldn't at least one of the conferences have determined that the best record beats out the team that got hot for a 3-4 game stretch? I honestly don't know, but it seems illogical to think that not one conference has ever rejected an automatic bid going to a cruddy team that got on a lucky run at the right time. Whatever. Like I said, it's a minor issue and I don't really give a crud. “And are you sure it is the conference that determines the automatic bid and not the NCAA?” For the Pac-12, 100% dead-certain. Conference Tournament winner gets the conference’s automatic bid, regardless of how lousy (or awesome) their regular season record may have been.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 7, 2021 22:55:58 GMT -8
There were 3 teams in the '90s that ended their seasons at 11 and 18 after a NCAA Tournament appearance. All 3 won their league tournaments. In '97 Fairfield was especially impressive, had a 2 and 12 record in the MAAC and swept the league tournament.
We had people writing OSU off at 10 and 10 in the league. It ain't over 'til it's over I guess.
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 5, 2022 17:38:41 GMT -8
This thread is begging for a bump.
Discuss in context of what is now one of the worst seasons in OSU history.
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Feb 5, 2022 20:32:56 GMT -8
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