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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 15, 2021 21:27:42 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 15, 2021 23:25:12 GMT -8
The answer of course is simple. Get rid of the header. Not only would this prevent concussions but it would spare the rest of us from seeing those dumb photos of players jumping up with hands to sides like a pogo stick with their eyes scrunched shut.
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Post by whocares on Feb 16, 2021 8:53:26 GMT -8
Not trying to start a political debate but won't transgenders participating in women's sports increase the potential for injuries?
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 16, 2021 9:16:17 GMT -8
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Post by jdogge on Feb 16, 2021 10:50:36 GMT -8
I don't think football lasts more than another fifteen years. We're finding too much CTE in former players. Over the last fifty years payers have gotten taller, heavier, more muscular, and faster. Getting tackled now is more dangerous now. Quizz left after his junior season because he believed he had only so many more hits he could take and might as well make money doing it. Women's soccer should be right beside football. Even with changes to soccer, high school females have nearly the same concussion rates as football players. These are concussions and not the damage from repetitive headers that the leading women soccer players are more than slightly concerned with. Add in the fact that noncontact ACL and ankle injuries among highly trained women soccer players rival football injuries, and women's soccer should be toast. Just saying... Nice whattaboutism. Especially since you're introducing apples to an oranges post. Damage from heading can be eliminated by banning heading. What are your recommendations regarding cumulative concussive events in football?
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 16, 2021 11:25:13 GMT -8
Not trying to start a political debate but won't transgenders participating in women's sports increase the potential for injuries? Anytime you start out a statement that way, you know what you are doing and provoking. So nice try.
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 16, 2021 11:32:07 GMT -8
no pogostick sightings and you try to bounce a ball traveling 50 mph off your head without closing your eyes.
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 16, 2021 11:38:15 GMT -8
Women's soccer should be right beside football. Even with changes to soccer, high school females have nearly the same concussion rates as football players. These are concussions and not the damage from repetitive headers that the leading women soccer players are more than slightly concerned with. Add in the fact that noncontact ACL and ankle injuries among highly trained women soccer players rival football injuries, and women's soccer should be toast. Just saying... The women need to learn how to play without using their head - seriously "We read with great interest the article by Mr Rubin and colleagues, “MRI-defined White Matter Microstructural Alteration Associated with Soccer Heading Is More Extensive in Women than Men,” which was published in the November 2018 issue of Radiology (1). Their findings are important, and we applaud the focus on sex differences. Having said that, we would like to suggest a possible explanation of the results. Mr Rubin and colleagues suggest that “Perhaps men and women head the ball differently…” or that “…women may be more sensitive than men to the effects of heading….” Differences, they argue, are not due to different exposures to headings as there was “similar levels of exposure” across the sexes. Although this was certainly true for number of reported headings, the relative exposure may not be as equal if we consider the following factors. The standard-sized soccer ball for adults weighs 410–450 g (2), and this is the same for both sexes regardless of physiologic differences. We would argue that the relative impact due to sex differences in body size (notably, head mass) and neck anthropometry would be important for explaining the results of Mr Rubin and colleagues. Schneider and Zernicke (3) modeled relative impacts of head-ball collisions for different head masses and concluded that equipment should be scaled for children (ie, a lighter ball should be used) due to their smaller head mass to reduce injury risk. The head mass of women is 15% smaller than that of men (4). Furthermore, women’s neck muscles are weaker, with the most relevant difference for headings probably being the 50% isometric flexion strength difference (4). Eckner et al (5) showed that neck strength is important for reducing the effects of impacts and, thus, an athlete’s risk of concussion. In line with their findings, Tierney et al (4) found that female players exhibited greater head acceleration than male players when heading the same (450-g) ball at equal velocities. The fact that women have more serious head injuries from a similar number of impacts suggests in itself that the ball weight should receive more attention. Thus, we would strongly promote the relative impact due to ball weight as an explanation and argue that the relative exposure across the sexes is, in fact, rather different." Or just make the ball smaller, similar to what they did in basketball years ago.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 16, 2021 11:54:05 GMT -8
no pogostick sightings and you try to bounce a ball traveling 50 mph off your head without closing your eyes. Ha ha! Why would I want to do that?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 16, 2021 12:48:22 GMT -8
I don't think football lasts more than another fifteen years. We're finding too much CTE in former players. Over the last fifty years payers have gotten taller, heavier, more muscular, and faster. Getting tackled now is more dangerous now. Quizz left after his junior season because he believed he had only so many more hits he could take and might as well make money doing it. Women's soccer should be right beside football. Even with changes to soccer, high school females have nearly the same concussion rates as football players. These are concussions and not the damage from repetitive headers that the leading women soccer players are more than slightly concerned with. Add in the fact that noncontact ACL and ankle injuries among highly trained women soccer players rival football injuries, and women's soccer should be toast. Just saying... No they don't! It's not even close. You only get comparable numbers by cooking the numbers. Well, there are 100 players on the football roster and only the 11 playing got concussions. The 89 who rode pine were concussion free! 11%. There are 17 players on a soccer roster and two got concussions. 12%. See, football is not as dangerous as women's soccer. Paid for by the NFL, the media, an NFL owner or a company with a different huge vested interest in the NFL. And if the numbers come out wrong? You never see that study. I am sure that there is a rube somewhere that will buy this tripe.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 16, 2021 12:51:57 GMT -8
Not trying to start a political debate but won't transgenders participating in women's sports increase the potential for injuries? No. It should decrease the potential for head injuries. From the other posts, biological males have bigger heads and stronger necks, apparently? Who knew? Science!
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 16, 2021 13:56:21 GMT -8
The women need to learn how to play without using their head - seriously "We read with great interest the article by Mr Rubin and colleagues, “MRI-defined White Matter Microstructural Alteration Associated with Soccer Heading Is More Extensive in Women than Men,” which was published in the November 2018 issue of Radiology (1). Their findings are important, and we applaud the focus on sex differences. Having said that, we would like to suggest a possible explanation of the results. Mr Rubin and colleagues suggest that “Perhaps men and women head the ball differently…” or that “…women may be more sensitive than men to the effects of heading….” Differences, they argue, are not due to different exposures to headings as there was “similar levels of exposure” across the sexes. Although this was certainly true for number of reported headings, the relative exposure may not be as equal if we consider the following factors. The standard-sized soccer ball for adults weighs 410–450 g (2), and this is the same for both sexes regardless of physiologic differences. We would argue that the relative impact due to sex differences in body size (notably, head mass) and neck anthropometry would be important for explaining the results of Mr Rubin and colleagues. Schneider and Zernicke (3) modeled relative impacts of head-ball collisions for different head masses and concluded that equipment should be scaled for children (ie, a lighter ball should be used) due to their smaller head mass to reduce injury risk. The head mass of women is 15% smaller than that of men (4). Furthermore, women’s neck muscles are weaker, with the most relevant difference for headings probably being the 50% isometric flexion strength difference (4). Eckner et al (5) showed that neck strength is important for reducing the effects of impacts and, thus, an athlete’s risk of concussion. In line with their findings, Tierney et al (4) found that female players exhibited greater head acceleration than male players when heading the same (450-g) ball at equal velocities. The fact that women have more serious head injuries from a similar number of impacts suggests in itself that the ball weight should receive more attention. Thus, we would strongly promote the relative impact due to ball weight as an explanation and argue that the relative exposure across the sexes is, in fact, rather different." Or just make the ball smaller, similar to what they did in basketball years ago. That is what they are saying - women should be playing with a lighter ball because their physiology is different from men - thinner necks with less muscles and a smaller head (my wife would just say that we men are just very thick skulled), so the relative amount of impact distribution based on the weight of the ball is more concentrated on women.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 16, 2021 14:04:41 GMT -8
Or just make the ball smaller, similar to what they did in basketball years ago. That is what they are saying - women should be playing with a lighter ball because their physiology is different from men - thinner necks with less muscles and a smaller head (my wife would just say that we men are just very thick skulled), so the relative amount of impact distribution based on the weight of the ball is more concentrated on women. Many also have thinner skin...
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 16, 2021 15:02:45 GMT -8
That is what they are saying - women should be playing with a lighter ball because their physiology is different from men - thinner necks with less muscles and a smaller head (my wife would just say that we men are just very thick skulled), so the relative amount of impact distribution based on the weight of the ball is more concentrated on women. Many also have thinner skin... I don’t know about that. Most of the vainest, thinnest-skinned people I’ve encountered have been males (I wouldn’t call them ‘men’). This board notwithstanding.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 19, 2021 20:21:27 GMT -8
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