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Post by mbabeav on Feb 5, 2021 17:20:17 GMT -8
I saw some Mike Hass in that video package. Must have missed Robb Thomas. Mike Hass scored two (2) touchdowns in his six (6) games at Reser in 2004 (Hass' redshirt junior year). You saw one of them. Robb Thomas scored eight (8) touchdowns in his five (5) games at Parker in 1987 (Thomas' true junior year). You saw none of them. In his career, Hass had 9 touchdowns in his 18 games at Reser. Thomas had 12 in his 13 games as a receiver at Parker and Kragthorpe only started Thomas in nine of those games. What I learned from watching the video is that Oregon State discontinued football in 1967 and did not start up the program again until 1998. A lot of fans seem to be of an identical mindset. I will continue to talk up the achievements of the quasi-mythical 1968-1997 squads. Robb also had a nice NFL career, and unfortunately Mike didn't
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 5, 2021 17:22:22 GMT -8
Mike Hass scored two (2) touchdowns in his six (6) games at Reser in 2004 (Hass' redshirt junior year). You saw one of them. Robb Thomas scored eight (8) touchdowns in his five (5) games at Parker in 1987 (Thomas' true junior year). You saw none of them. In his career, Hass had 9 touchdowns in his 18 games at Reser. Thomas had 12 in his 13 games as a receiver at Parker and Kragthorpe only started Thomas in nine of those games. What I learned from watching the video is that Oregon State discontinued football in 1967 and did not start up the program again until 1998. A lot of fans seem to be of an identical mindset. I will continue to talk up the achievements of the quasi-mythical 1968-1997 squads. OK so that entire 1987 season, OSU rushed for 4 TDs. I don't know much about the 1987 team (they were imaginary as you say), but I don't know that they had a NFL caliber TE like Joe Newton hoovering up red zone opportunities either. 1987 was the midst of the Kragthorpe era, and we might have only had 4 rush TD's, but Wilhelm certainly threw on a very high percentage of plays.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 5, 2021 18:36:28 GMT -8
You guys missed Groundhog Day with the Hass Thomas deal.
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Post by osuft3 on Feb 5, 2021 20:03:37 GMT -8
Here's a start. With a consistent fg kicker, the 68 team would have played in the Rose Bowl.
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Post by jefframp on Feb 6, 2021 9:22:10 GMT -8
Here's a start. With a consistent fg kicker, the 68 team would have played in the Rose Bowl. Very true. I was a pretty good high school kicker and 1968 would have been my sophomore year (freshmen were ineligible and played on the Rook team). I always fantasized about being the hero on the '68 team if only I had had the opportunity. (sigh) We lost to Iowa by one point (at Iowa) and to Kentucky by one point (at Kentucky) and lost to usuc (in LA) by four points and missed at least 2 field goals from very makeable range in that game. Arrrrgggghhhhh! What could have been: not only a Rose Bowl but an undefeated season. The 1967 "Giant Killer" team gets all of the glory but that 1968 team was better yet except at one special position that gets to play very few times. (Edit that: Jess Lewis passed up the opportunity to play that year as he concentrated on wrestling in the Olympics in Mexico City that year) I remember going to the Rook practice in 1967 to see who they had for a kicker. I saw that the kicking duties seemed to be in pretty good hands as the guy made all his tries while I was there and some from pretty long distance. I was told he had been in an auto accident during the previous year and was medically unable to play another position on the team (I think he may have been recruited as a lineman). I don't remember his name but from my memory he did not play at all in 1968 or any year thereafter and to this day have always wondered why. If only I had known........
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 6, 2021 21:49:04 GMT -8
Mike Hass scored two (2) touchdowns in his six (6) games at Reser in 2004 (Hass' redshirt junior year). You saw one of them. Robb Thomas scored eight (8) touchdowns in his five (5) games at Parker in 1987 (Thomas' true junior year). You saw none of them. In his career, Hass had 9 touchdowns in his 18 games at Reser. Thomas had 12 in his 13 games as a receiver at Parker and Kragthorpe only started Thomas in nine of those games. What I learned from watching the video is that Oregon State discontinued football in 1967 and did not start up the program again until 1998. A lot of fans seem to be of an identical mindset. I will continue to talk up the achievements of the quasi-mythical 1968-1997 squads. OK so that entire 1987 season, OSU rushed for 4 TDs. I don't know much about the 1987 team (they were imaginary as you say), but I don't know that they had a NFL caliber TE like Joe Newton hoovering up red zone opportunities either. As of 2018, Phil Ross (1985-1989) is the all-time pass-catching tight end in Oregon State history. In 1987, Oregon State had 19 receiving touchdowns. Robb Thomas had more than half, 10. Ross was second with 3. No other player caught more than one touchdown. Thomas finished first in receptions in the Pac-10 in 1987 among non-RBs. Ross was second with two fewer receptions. In 2004, Oregon State had 29 receiving touchdowns. Mike Hass had fewer than a quarter. Ross in 1987 was targeted almost 12% more often than Newton in 2004. Ross was drafted in the ninth round (#231 overall) by the Dolphins. (Pick #231 would now be in the seventh round.) He did not stick with the Dolphins but was drafted by the Birmingham Fire of the World League of American Football and their head coach Chan Gailey. Ross was the first tight end drafted on the team and started every game for the Fire before the team folded. Ross had a big fumble recover that put Birmingham into the playoffs, where they lost to Barcelona. Ross was used the following season as both a Tight End and H-Back, finishing with more touches than the year previous. Birmingham made the playoffs again but lost in the first round to the Orlando Thunder at the Citrus Bowl.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 7, 2021 22:22:38 GMT -8
Here's a start. With a consistent fg kicker, the 68 team would have played in the Rose Bowl. Very true. I was a pretty good high school kicker and 1968 would have been my sophomore year (freshmen were ineligible and played on the Rook team). I always fantasized about being the hero on the '68 team if only I had had the opportunity. (sigh) We lost to Iowa by one point (at Iowa) and to Kentucky by one point (at Kentucky) and lost to usuc (in LA) by four points and missed at least 2 field goals from very makeable range in that game. Arrrrgggghhhhh! What could have been: not only a Rose Bowl but an undefeated season. The 1967 "Giant Killer" team gets all of the glory but that 1968 team was better yet except at one special position that gets to play very few times. (Edit that: Jess Lewis passed up the opportunity to play that year as he concentrated on wrestling in the Olympics in Mexico City that year) I remember going to the Rook practice in 1967 to see who they had for a kicker. I saw that the kicking duties seemed to be in pretty good hands as the guy made all his tries while I was there and some from pretty long distance. I was told he had been in an auto accident during the previous year and was medically unable to play another position on the team (I think he may have been recruited as a lineman). I don't remember his name but from my memory he did not play at all in 1968 or any year thereafter and to this day have always wondered why. If only I had known........ Pat Arnold was the kicker on the frosh team in 1967. In between the 1967 and 1968 years, he was in a bad accident. Despite not being 100%, Dee Andros started him anyway, and he missed his first five kicks. (Probably. One source that I have says seven, but I sincerely doubt that Andros would have put up with that.) Arnold missed both extra point attempts against Iowa, which resulted in a one-point loss. He then missed three (or five?) kicks against Utah before he was benched. Oregon State scored four touchdowns against Utah but did not get a single point after touchdown, winning 24-21. Safety Larry Rich took over extra points. Tackle Kent Scott took over field goals. Rich was four-for-four against Kentucky but missed number five, which led to a 35-34 Wildcat win. Entering the penultimate game of the season in the Coliseum against USC, Scott was 3/6 kicking field goals. Scott broke under the weight of kicking on the Coliseum, though, missing field goals of 37, 40 and 30 yards, each wide right. Oregon State's defense held USC to no first downs in the first quarter and no points into the fourth quarter. The Beavers drew first blood, scoring a touchdown to go up 7-0 in the third quarter. That score finally woke up the Trojans, who scored 17 straight. Oregon State pulled back within four after a 74-yard touchdown pass. Jim Blackford almost came up with the onside kick, but USC's Humphrey Covington came up with it instead. Arnold left school before the conclusion of his sophomore year and, as far as I can tell, never kicked at a major college again.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 14, 2021 14:09:56 GMT -8
I can't read Canzano's column firing back at the English department profs who said OSU should turn down the $50 million donation because it wasn't directed to academics (yes, that's right. Turn it down) because it's exclusive content and I won't pay for it.
But for once I agree with him, even without reading him. Those profs are cray-cray.
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 14, 2021 15:30:05 GMT -8
Here's the GT article of the letter from the profs, if anyone wants to read their side of it. I don't think it's behind any wall.
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Post by jefframp on Feb 15, 2021 10:01:24 GMT -8
Very true. I was a pretty good high school kicker and 1968 would have been my sophomore year (freshmen were ineligible and played on the Rook team). I always fantasized about being the hero on the '68 team if only I had had the opportunity. (sigh) We lost to Iowa by one point (at Iowa) and to Kentucky by one point (at Kentucky) and lost to usuc (in LA) by four points and missed at least 2 field goals from very makeable range in that game. Arrrrgggghhhhh! What could have been: not only a Rose Bowl but an undefeated season. The 1967 "Giant Killer" team gets all of the glory but that 1968 team was better yet except at one special position that gets to play very few times. (Edit that: Jess Lewis passed up the opportunity to play that year as he concentrated on wrestling in the Olympics in Mexico City that year) I remember going to the Rook practice in 1967 to see who they had for a kicker. I saw that the kicking duties seemed to be in pretty good hands as the guy made all his tries while I was there and some from pretty long distance. I was told he had been in an auto accident during the previous year and was medically unable to play another position on the team (I think he may have been recruited as a lineman). I don't remember his name but from my memory he did not play at all in 1968 or any year thereafter and to this day have always wondered why. If only I had known........ Pat Arnold was the kicker on the frosh team in 1967. In between the 1967 and 1968 years, he was in a bad accident. Despite not being 100%, Dee Andros started him anyway, and he missed his first five kicks. (Probably. One source that I have says seven, but I sincerely doubt that Andros would have put up with that.) Arnold missed both extra point attempts against Iowa, which resulted in a one-point loss. He then missed three (or five?) kicks against Utah before he was benched. Oregon State scored four touchdowns against Utah but did not get a single point after touchdown, winning 24-21. Safety Larry Rich took over extra points. Tackle Kent Scott took over field goals. Rich was four-for-four against Kentucky but missed number five, which led to a 35-34 Wildcat win. Entering the penultimate game of the season in the Coliseum against USC, Scott was 3/6 kicking field goals. Scott broke under the weight of kicking on the Coliseum, though, missing field goals of 37, 40 and 30 yards, each wide right. Oregon State's defense held USC to no first downs in the first quarter and no points into the fourth quarter. The Beavers drew first blood, scoring a touchdown to go up 7-0 in the third quarter. That score finally woke up the Trojans, who scored 17 straight. Oregon State pulled back within four after a 74-yard touchdown pass. Jim Blackford almost came up with the onside kick, but USC's Humphrey Covington came up with it instead. Arnold left school before the conclusion of his sophomore year and, as far as I can tell, never kicked at a major college again. Seems like my memory is still pretty good then! :-)
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Post by beavheart on Feb 15, 2021 11:01:03 GMT -8
Here's the GT article of the letter from the profs, if anyone wants to read their side of it. I don't think it's behind any wall. Basically, they are saying since there is a ton of hardship being experienced by the OSU community due to Covid that spending a cent on athletics is super irresponsible and unethical. They say all that money should be redirected into a bunch of social services for students and faculty (yeah, no black hole there). Nevermind that the people who drafted this letter will NEVER understand the value added to university via the athletic programs, what they mostly are crying about is financial hardships. Uh, folks, most of those financial hardships are nothing new and almost entirely the result of skyrocketing tuition and living costs NOT covid. Who's responsible for that smart guys? I want to puke after reading that. These people sit on their throne on pious nonsense talking about how shortsighted it is to move forward with the project and completely excuse themselves of how incredibly obtuse they are being. NEXT!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 15, 2021 12:41:24 GMT -8
There's another Canzano column today, with mail from OSU fans roasting the profs. It's paywalled so I won't link it.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 15, 2021 13:52:29 GMT -8
Here's the GT article of the letter from the profs, if anyone wants to read their side of it. I don't think it's behind any wall. I don't think football lasts more than another fifteen years. We're finding too much CTE in former players. Over the last fifty years payers have gotten taller, heavier, more muscular, and faster. Getting tackled now is more dangerous now. Quizz left after his junior season because he believed he had only so many more hits he could take and might as well make money doing it.
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 15, 2021 14:48:02 GMT -8
Here's the GT article of the letter from the profs, if anyone wants to read their side of it. I don't think it's behind any wall. I don't think football lasts more than another fifteen years. We're finding too much CTE in former players. Over the last fifty years payers have gotten taller, heavier, more muscular, and faster. Getting tackled now is more dangerous now. Quizz left after his junior season because he believed he had only so many more hits he could take and might as well make money doing it. Women's soccer should be right beside football. Even with changes to soccer, high school females have nearly the same concussion rates as football players. These are concussions and not the damage from repetitive headers that the leading women soccer players are more than slightly concerned with. Add in the fact that noncontact ACL and ankle injuries among highly trained women soccer players rival football injuries, and women's soccer should be toast. Just saying...
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 15, 2021 19:41:34 GMT -8
I don't think football lasts more than another fifteen years. We're finding too much CTE in former players. Over the last fifty years payers have gotten taller, heavier, more muscular, and faster. Getting tackled now is more dangerous now. Quizz left after his junior season because he believed he had only so many more hits he could take and might as well make money doing it. Women's soccer should be right beside football. Even with changes to soccer, high school females have nearly the same concussion rates as football players. These are concussions and not the damage from repetitive headers that the leading women soccer players are more than slightly concerned with. Add in the fact that noncontact ACL and ankle injuries among highly trained women soccer players rival football injuries, and women's soccer should be toast. Just saying... The women need to learn how to play without using their head - seriously "We read with great interest the article by Mr Rubin and colleagues, “MRI-defined White Matter Microstructural Alteration Associated with Soccer Heading Is More Extensive in Women than Men,” which was published in the November 2018 issue of Radiology (1). Their findings are important, and we applaud the focus on sex differences. Having said that, we would like to suggest a possible explanation of the results. Mr Rubin and colleagues suggest that “Perhaps men and women head the ball differently…” or that “…women may be more sensitive than men to the effects of heading….” Differences, they argue, are not due to different exposures to headings as there was “similar levels of exposure” across the sexes. Although this was certainly true for number of reported headings, the relative exposure may not be as equal if we consider the following factors. The standard-sized soccer ball for adults weighs 410–450 g (2), and this is the same for both sexes regardless of physiologic differences. We would argue that the relative impact due to sex differences in body size (notably, head mass) and neck anthropometry would be important for explaining the results of Mr Rubin and colleagues. Schneider and Zernicke (3) modeled relative impacts of head-ball collisions for different head masses and concluded that equipment should be scaled for children (ie, a lighter ball should be used) due to their smaller head mass to reduce injury risk. The head mass of women is 15% smaller than that of men (4). Furthermore, women’s neck muscles are weaker, with the most relevant difference for headings probably being the 50% isometric flexion strength difference (4). Eckner et al (5) showed that neck strength is important for reducing the effects of impacts and, thus, an athlete’s risk of concussion. In line with their findings, Tierney et al (4) found that female players exhibited greater head acceleration than male players when heading the same (450-g) ball at equal velocities. The fact that women have more serious head injuries from a similar number of impacts suggests in itself that the ball weight should receive more attention. Thus, we would strongly promote the relative impact due to ball weight as an explanation and argue that the relative exposure across the sexes is, in fact, rather different."
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