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Post by skyrider on Dec 14, 2020 9:10:59 GMT -8
How do the various Beaver believers who follow this site feel about the direction of the OSU women's basketball program?
I strongly support Coach Rueck but I do think that last year and this year (it appears) the teams are not as good as the previous 4 years or so.
Is it recruiting,injuries, bad luck, strategy (types of defenses, etc.), or a combination of many things. Since we do not seem to be getting much media reports on what the OSU coaches are saying, I am hoping for some enlightenment from the group!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!
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Post by wbosh15 on Dec 14, 2020 9:20:03 GMT -8
Here is my simplistic view of things. In order to really stay in the top of the conference, and competing for championships you need at least 1 All Conference type player in each of your recruiting classes. For OSU, once Destiny left we have no All Conference players in our Senior or Junior class (Although I will say Aleah is playing at a really, really high level).
I think there are 2 big reasons for this, one is never getting AA on the court. She was a big recruiting win when she signed, but not getting her on the court has hurt. Taya has also always been really solid and someone who is in the right place and does her job, but doesn't impact the game like an all conference player does.
The good news is the Freshman and Sophs have all-conference type players there, although they are not ready yet to be the best player on a team. That's my thoughts but really good topic.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2020 9:22:46 GMT -8
How do the various Beaver believers who follow this site feel about the direction of the OSU women's basketball program?
I strongly support Coach Rueck but I do think that last year and this year (it appears) the teams are not as good as the previous 4 years or so.
Is it recruiting,injuries, bad luck, strategy (types of defenses, etc.), or a combination of many things. Since we do not seem to be getting much media reports on what the OSU coaches are saying, I am hoping for some enlightenment from the group!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!
A lot of it has to do with the strength of the league. It used to just be Stanford and that was it. Now, you have several programs that are very good and the league is the toughest in the country. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 14, 2020 9:45:43 GMT -8
It comes down to recruiting. Stanford has always recruited at a very high level and now Oregon has joined them. Stanford has a Stanford degree and the history/prestige of their program to sell and Oregon has their facilities and a national brand name. SR and OSU have also recruited well, but not to that level. Oregon lost the national player of the year, the number 2 pick in the draft and the number 8 pick in the draft and have reloaded. We lost our best all around player (Pivec) and our most dynamic offensive player (Slocum) and it is obvious we have not been able to replace them. This is a down year, but with our incoming recruits we should see an improvement in the next few years, but I don't see us returning to the top of the conference any time soon with the way Stanford and Oregon are recruiting.
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Post by skyrider on Dec 14, 2020 9:49:41 GMT -8
Here is my simplistic view of things. In order to really stay in the top of the conference, and competing for championships you need at least 1 All Conference type player in each of your recruiting classes. For OSU, once Destiny left we have no All Conference players in our Senior or Junior class (Although I will say Aleah is playing at a really, really high level). I think there are 2 big reasons for this, one is never getting AA on the court. She was a big recruiting win when she signed, but not getting her on the court has hurt. Taya has also always been really solid and someone who is in the right place and does her job, but doesn't impact the game like an all conference player does. The good news is the Freshman and Sophs have all-conference type players there, although they are not ready yet to be the best player on a team. That's my thoughts but really good topic. Thank you for your excellent thoughts! |
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Post by skyrider on Dec 14, 2020 9:50:23 GMT -8
How do the various Beaver believers who follow this site feel about the direction of the OSU women's basketball program?
I strongly support Coach Rueck but I do think that last year and this year (it appears) the teams are not as good as the previous 4 years or so.
Is it recruiting,injuries, bad luck, strategy (types of defenses, etc.), or a combination of many things. Since we do not seem to be getting much media reports on what the OSU coaches are saying, I am hoping for some enlightenment from the group!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!
A lot of it has to do with the strength of the league. It used to just be Stanford and that was it. Now, you have several programs that are very good and the league is the toughest in the country. Thank you for responding! |
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Post by skyrider on Dec 14, 2020 9:51:24 GMT -8
It comes down to recruiting. Stanford has always recruited at a very high level and now Oregon has joined them. Stanford has a Stanford degree and the history/prestige of their program to sell and Oregon has their facilities and a national brand name. SR and OSU have also recruited well, but not to that level. Oregon lost the national player of the year, the number 2 pick in the draft and the number 8 pick in the draft and have reloaded. We lost our best all around player (Pivec) and our most dynamic offensive player (Slocum) and it is obvious we have not been able to replace them. This is a down year, but with our incoming recruits we should see an improvement in the next few years, but I don't see us returning to the top of the conference any time soon with the way Stanford and Oregon are recruiting. Thanks for your observations. Well thought out! |
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Post by skyrider on Dec 14, 2020 9:52:10 GMT -8
Here is my simplistic view of things. In order to really stay in the top of the conference, and competing for championships you need at least 1 All Conference type player in each of your recruiting classes. For OSU, once Destiny left we have no All Conference players in our Senior or Junior class (Although I will say Aleah is playing at a really, really high level). I think there are 2 big reasons for this, one is never getting AA on the court. She was a big recruiting win when she signed, but not getting her on the court has hurt. Taya has also always been really solid and someone who is in the right place and does her job, but doesn't impact the game like an all conference player does. The good news is the Freshman and Sophs have all-conference type players there, although they are not ready yet to be the best player on a team. That's my thoughts but really good topic. Thank you for contributing. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 14, 2020 10:31:37 GMT -8
But the real scary part is some of the other programs not mentioned here. Almost everyone is upping their game. Adia Barnes is building that “it” factor and then there is UCLA. You think you gain but it is everyone else who is gaining too. It is tough out there. Neither Graves or Scott so far have managed to keep the in state blue chippers here. Even HVL out of the state of Washington left the northwest. If Scott had landed Brink or HVL that would have been huge
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 14, 2020 10:39:37 GMT -8
One aspect of this season that is pretty exciting is the contribution brought by (and the development of) the 3 freshman: Goforth, Samuel and Mitrovic. Goforth & Samuel both show an amazing level of confidence for first month D-1 players. Can someone remind me of a season that had a freshman class that included 3 players in the primary 7 to 9 player rotation?
Next years Sophomore class will also include Brown. Throw in upperclasswomen Jones, Simmons and Corosdale + the incoming 2021 Freshman - and the 'State of the Program' is pretty promising.
Not to mention that next season, home court advantage will be a 'real' thing again.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 14, 2020 10:59:23 GMT -8
On last years team. Before the Beav's lost two starters they were one game from being the top ranked team in the US. The only team in the country that could take that kind of loss and still be a really good team is Stanford. Baylor and Louisville lost a starter and then lost to a nobody and insisted that they couldn't be expected to win games with a STARTER out. OSU was missing two starters and still ended up ranked at the end of the season. Last season was injuries, although I do think there was something off also.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 14, 2020 13:15:50 GMT -8
I'm with ricke71. It is way too early to be judging our "new" team. I saw progress in the UO game, in that 2nd half. Rueck just needs to get his top 7 player minutes properly distributed and we will be ok. It is how we finish that matters (Both in PAC-12 regular season, PAC-12 Tournament, NCAA Tournament).
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Post by beav74 on Dec 14, 2020 13:20:07 GMT -8
You've got to be delusional to think this is an NCAA team!
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 14, 2020 13:35:43 GMT -8
Right now, this version of the Beavs doesn't look so good. I hope that changes. The overall "state of the program' though still looks very promising. Taylor back next season with a sophomore class of Kennedy, Savannah, Jelena, and Sasha, a freshman class of Greta and Talia, and then two very good recruits on board for the year after that.
I think if anything the last couple years of injuries (Kat, Taya, Kennedy, Andrea), and transfers (Destiny and Trish) tell us that Scott's past plans of not using all available scholarships may need to be revisited. How different would this team be if it had Andrea/Kennedy/Destiny? Unfortunately, it looks like the transfers in to the program weren't enough to make up for those losses. I think we may still see more from Ellie and Jovana, but the player losses for this team were huge.
Great recruits are headed our way and the Beavs of the next few seasons should be hanging out near the top again, but to ensure strength, the Beavs may need to be a little deeper, which may mean landing an additional talent or two to combat season ending injuries and transfers who leave the program.
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Post by beavsteve on Dec 14, 2020 13:40:10 GMT -8
You've got to be delusional to think this is an NCAA team! Not really. If by “NCAA team” you just mean that we make the tournament, that just means finishing in the top 5 or 6 in the Pac-12. That is still very possible for this team. While it is struggling now, it is well-coached and it is not unreasonable to expect that it can still finish in the top 5 or 6. Let’s see what happens this weekend at WSU and UW; if we go 0-2 this weekend, or even 1-1, I might agree with you. |
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