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Post by orangeblood on Jul 9, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -8
Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 14:23:55 GMT -8
You are ignoring the "get sick" population. Some get a cough, others end up in the ICU on a respirator. And the long term damage is unknown at this point. This. I keep hearing people at different age groups, 30 and above, that say that they are medically cleared but still have weird stuff happening in their bodies. Will those symptoms go away. Nobody knows. Should the world come to a stop until those answers are known? Disease exists in many forms, none of which are pleasant. After effects of many diseases also exist, and have been known for hundreds of years. Knowledge regarding those effects doesn't change anything about the way society attempts to deal with preventing and/or curing the diseases themselves, does it? I'm not ignoring the "get sick" population. the way the original phrase was written (get sick and die) referred only to those who do both, and that's what I was primarily addressing. For every Oregonian who dies, there are 98 or 99 who just get sick. But sick happens. We've all read the comparisons to normal flu seasons, which certainly include plenty of both sickness and death. But if college sports were cancelled every time there was a flu season, there would never have been any college sports to begin with. Let me flip my argument to a different perspective. Oregon has 36 counties. Of the 36, 24 have not had a single death in the last 26 days, and 10 of them have reported fewer than 10 new cases in that same time period. There is but 1 county (Union) where 1% of the population has fallen ill in that time, and only 7 counties where more than 1/10 of 1% of the population has done so. Clearly, the 'one size fits all' approach taken by our elected officials is not appropriate in many, many areas of our state, and it needs to be changed.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 14:29:31 GMT -8
Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules. Thank you, orangeblood, for pointing that out. Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach - if someone makes an argument that doesn't coincide with your viewpoint, shout him down and make it seem as though his motives are base and, somehow, self serving.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 14:41:06 GMT -8
Without knowing the average age of a college coach, I would submit to you that more than half the staff consists of 'up and comers' or seasoned assistants in the 40 to 50 range still looking for that first head spot. A distinct minority of coaches are old enough that they might want to take extra precautions. "...get sick and die" In the last 26 days, 5,503 Oregonians (13/100 of 1% of the population) have been confirmed as new cases. During that same time frame, 51 have died, which is right at 1% of the new cases. (I recognize that's a somewhat false number, as deaths will normally trail diagnosis by some number of days.) Of the 51, 5 have been younger than the 'normal' retirement age of 65, and they all had "underlying medical conditions." A coach, ref, trainer, or college professor who actually teaches classes , in reasonably good health, is rather unlikely to die as a result of contacting the virus. And you got your epidemiology doctorate -- where? True, COVID-19 hasn't killed a lot of college-aged kids. However, they are finding that even those with no symptoms suffer lung damage and strokes. COVID victims are being kept out of the military. So the laziest, fattest, less disciplined under 25s are accepted into the military; COVID survivors, nope. But, here's the thing -- as much as you want the world to revolve around you -- it doesn't. You don't know who on your team might be susceptible to a severe case ... or coaches ... or team support personnel [umpires, groundskeepers, ticket agents, etc ... or family members of those mentioned. Go ahead, keep thinking that it's all about you. Don't have a doctorate in epidemiology; do you? I merely presented some data which I think lends credence to my personal opinion. You are more than welcome to present some data that would refute that. Some suggestions might be: percentage of college aged kids who contacted covid who suffered lung damage, percentage whose lung damage was permanent, percentage who suffered strokes ... With respect to the military, I would remind you that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR both came into into widespread usage as descriptors of the prevailing thinking there. Nevertheless, I kind of doubt that the laziest and least disciplined are streaming into the recruiting offices.
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Post by 411500 on Jul 9, 2020 14:55:34 GMT -8
bvrbooster: Just a quick look at deaths among health care personnel in the U.S. I think these figures tally until end of June...Since these are deaths, you could probably multiply by 10 for a conservative illness estimate. ----------- "America’s health care workers are dying. In some states, medical personnel account for as many as 20% of known coronavirus cases. They tend to patients in hospitals, treating them, serving them food and cleaning their rooms. Others at risk work in nursing homes or are employed as home health aides.
“Lost on the Frontline,” a collaboration between KHN and The Guardian, has identified 765 such workers who likely died of COVID-19 after helping patients during the pandemic." ------- This is just FYI....It doesn't make a case one way or the other.... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 9, 2020 14:59:37 GMT -8
And you got your epidemiology doctorate -- where? True, COVID-19 hasn't killed a lot of college-aged kids. However, they are finding that even those with no symptoms suffer lung damage and strokes. COVID victims are being kept out of the military. So the laziest, fattest, less disciplined under 25s are accepted into the military; COVID survivors, nope. But, here's the thing -- as much as you want the world to revolve around you -- it doesn't. You don't know who on your team might be susceptible to a severe case ... or coaches ... or team support personnel [umpires, groundskeepers, ticket agents, etc ... or family members of those mentioned. Go ahead, keep thinking that it's all about you. Don't have a doctorate in epidemiology; do you? I merely presented some data which I think lends credence to my personal opinion. You are more than welcome to present some data that would refute that. Some suggestions might be: percentage of college aged kids who contacted covid who suffered lung damage, percentage whose lung damage was permanent, percentage who suffered strokes ... With respect to the military, I would remind you that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR both came into into widespread usage as descriptors of the prevailing thinking there. Nevertheless, I kind of doubt that the laziest and least disciplined are streaming into the recruiting offices. "With respect to the military, I would remind you that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR both came into into widespread usage as descriptors of the prevailing thinking there. Nevertheless, I kind of doubt that the laziest and least disciplined are streaming into the recruiting offices." So you dismiss data you don't like. Good to know. Also, you seem to suggest that the absence of data to disprove your hypothesis actually supports your hypothesis. [ATOWN, this is a Type II error is it not?] Instead, you should focus on taking precautions until such time as science provides substantiation of your hypothesis. I noticed that you failed to address the data I provided that should lead one to the conclusion that "playing it safe" is the best course of action. Epidemiology doctorate? No. But graduate level coursework in econometrics confers upon me the ability to identify a substandard analysis. I also turn to those who know more than I when discussing Math and Statistics, hence my call out to ATOWN. P.S. You might try reading the articles I provided previously.
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Post by sparty on Jul 10, 2020 4:54:51 GMT -8
It will magically disappear the next day after the general election or at least greatly improve overnight.
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Post by billsaab on Jul 10, 2020 5:10:46 GMT -8
As a Man 75 I have read through these comments. It seems people forget the Doctors have changed as has the Science. I have been careful play pickle all and hope the Health Club re opens soon. I also think the Gov’t in Oregon,Washington, and California have done some stupid over reach. Protect vulnerable and go on with Life. Seems we are quick to allow our freedoms to be washed away. Many businesses and Economies have been destroyed. I also noticed the Leftist violence goes unchecked and their spreading it is ok I guess. We can barely attend Church and no Baseball yet? Seems to Ne this should clear up in November.
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Post by beaversrock on Jul 10, 2020 6:14:27 GMT -8
It will magically disappear the next day after the general election or at least greatly improve overnight. Absolutely ridiculous post. I bet the people in Germany, Italy, France, Russia, Japan, Brazil and all will be so happy to hear the big bad trump haters are playing with smoke and mirrors world wide until November 3rd. All the dead and people with scarred lungs is all a hoax
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 6:33:09 GMT -8
Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules. Thank you, orangeblood, for pointing that out. Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach - if someone makes an argument that doesn't coincide with your viewpoint, shout him down and make it seem as though his motives are base and, somehow, self serving. With all due respect, I don’t think there are many folks on this board who even know who that guy is, let alone who are his “disciples”.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 6:37:17 GMT -8
It will magically disappear the next day after the general election or at least greatly improve overnight. ^Magical thinking exemplified.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 10, 2020 8:25:07 GMT -8
Thank you, orangeblood, for pointing that out. Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach - if someone makes an argument that doesn't coincide with your viewpoint, shout him down and make it seem as though his motives are base and, somehow, self serving. With all due respect, I don’t think there are many folks on this board who even know who that guy is, let alone who are his “disciples”. Well, here's your chance to google him and learn something new. He was a big influence on Hillary Clinton in her youth. (Might be spelled Allinsky)
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 9:18:21 GMT -8
With all due respect, I don’t think there are many folks on this board who even know who that guy is, let alone who are his “disciples”. Well, here's your chance to google him and learn something new. He was a big influence on Hillary Clinton in her youth. (Might be spelled Allinsky) "Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise..
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Post by rafer on Jul 10, 2020 9:45:42 GMT -8
Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules. It comes form the ,"I'm right, you're always wrong movement, especially if you don't agree with us, that is taking place".. YOU old people know nothing, we are here to tell you how you SHOULD be living.....
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 10:07:08 GMT -8
Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules. It comes form the ,"I'm right, you're always wrong movement, especially if you don't agree with us, that is taking place".. YOU old people know nothing, we are here to tell you how you SHOULD be living..... 'Cause we're the young generation, and we've got somethin' to say" “So you better get ready. We may be coming to your town”.
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