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Post by 411500 on Jul 9, 2020 8:26:45 GMT -8
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Post by newduke2 on Jul 9, 2020 8:56:56 GMT -8
and the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls
(S&G of course)
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 9, 2020 9:47:32 GMT -8
and the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls (S&G of course) In Gill, the sound of silence.........?
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 11:28:49 GMT -8
This would be a big mistake, so, naturally, colleges and universities will make it. Of the 43 Oregonians who have died of covid in the last 26 days (1/1,000 of 1% of the state's population), the youngest was 53 years old. This is not a life threatening event for the college age population.
All universities should announce that they'll play the games, but might limit admission to students only - decision to be made later. That way they at least get the radio and television revenue, and their fans have a way of watching and following the teams.
If you cancel football, to use one example, you automatically give another full year of scholarship benefits to 85 kids if they want it. It negatively impacts recruiting for 2021, as all those scholarships you were going to have become available in January when current 4th year players finish their eligibility suddenly aren't available after all. Plus you'll still have to pay Jonathan et al, still have to pay the mortgage (if there is one) on Reser, and so on.
Is the PGA Tour the only sane operation in sports?
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 9, 2020 12:01:26 GMT -8
Yep older people are more susceptible. So who is going to coach the college athletes when the older coaches get sick and die. Not to mention the refs, the trainers, etc...
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Post by 411500 on Jul 9, 2020 12:18:35 GMT -8
bvrbooster writes: "This is not a life threatening event for the college age population."
Yeah, we all pretty much get that. Trouble is students all have parents and grandparents and teachers who are not college age. If the student gets sick, and doesn't die, he passes the virus along to someone who might. The cost is not measured only in deaths. Sickened individuals who eventually get well do so at a massive, massive financial cost to the medical system. The medical professionals who attend to those stricken with the virus also have a dramatically high illness rate.
The issue is not the virus' impact on youth. To think of it in these terms is an unfair narrowing of the topic. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 9, 2020 12:42:16 GMT -8
From the link you provided: "While Stanford may be perceived to have limitless resources, the truth is that we do not. In general, Athletics has been a self-sustaining entity on our campus, and we are striving to preserve that model in a time when budgetary support for our academic mission is already under significant stress. Academic and administrative units across the university already have been planning budget cuts of up to 10% in response to the university’s constrained resources as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic." Will be interesting to see what happens at school who aren't even perceived to have "limitless resources", like, say Oregon State. The aftershocks of this pandemic (once we get to the 'after' part of aftershocks, mind you) will be far reaching if messaging like this is emerging from a school with a top-5 school in the country level endowment of $25B+. Go Beavers!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 9, 2020 12:49:27 GMT -8
bvrbooster writes: "This is not a life threatening event for the college age population." Yeah, we all pretty much get that. Trouble is students all have parents and grandparents and teachers who are not college age. If the student gets sick, and doesn't die, he passes the virus along to someone who might. The cost is not measured only in deaths. Sickened individuals who eventually get well do so at a massive, massive financial cost to the medical system. The medical professionals who attend to those stricken with the virus also have a dramatically high illness rate. The issue is not the virus' impact on youth. To think of it in these terms is an unfair narrowing of the topic. GO BEAVS!! Not to speak of reports emerging of long term and/or permanent after-effects (e.g. lung damage) to some people who contract the illness. Now, you can debate whether that is true or not (and only more time and research can provide that answer), but is that a risk that would be taken? My suspicion is there might be chances that we are looking at a season of (Fall?) sports cancellations, and projecting the effects of that, are, well unprecedented, so it's anyone's guess......since suspending football would have this domino effect a'la what Stanford is trying to get out ahead of..... At this point, I could have figured out a way to put up with the 'ucks winning a Natty......sigh. Go Beavers!
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 13:21:14 GMT -8
Yep older people are more susceptible. So who is going to coach the college athletes when the older coaches get sick and die. Not to mention the refs, the trainers, etc... Without knowing the average age of a college coach, I would submit to you that more than half the staff consists of 'up and comers' or seasoned assistants in the 40 to 50 range still looking for that first head spot. A distinct minority of coaches are old enough that they might want to take extra precautions. "...get sick and die" In the last 26 days, 5,503 Oregonians (13/100 of 1% of the population) have been confirmed as new cases. During that same time frame, 51 have died, which is right at 1% of the new cases. (I recognize that's a somewhat false number, as deaths will normally trail diagnosis by some number of days.) Of the 51, 5 have been younger than the 'normal' retirement age of 65, and they all had "underlying medical conditions." A coach, ref, trainer, or college professor who actually teaches classes , in reasonably good health, is rather unlikely to die as a result of contacting the virus.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 9, 2020 13:25:30 GMT -8
Yep older people are more susceptible. So who is going to coach the college athletes when the older coaches get sick and die. Not to mention the refs, the trainers, etc... Without knowing the average age of a college coach, I would submit to you that more than half the staff consists of 'up and comers' or seasoned assistants in the 40 to 50 range still looking for that first head spot. A distinct minority of coaches are old enough that they might want to take extra precautions. "...get sick and die" In the last 26 days, 5,503 Oregonians (13/100 of 1% of the population) have been confirmed as new cases. During that same time frame, 51 have died, which is right at 1% of the new cases. (I recognize that's a somewhat false number, as deaths will normally trail diagnosis by some number of days.) Of the 51, 5 have been younger than the 'normal' retirement age of 65, and they all had "underlying medical conditions." A coach, ref, trainer, or college professor who actually teaches classes , in reasonably good health, is rather unlikely to die as a result of contacting the virus. You are ignoring the "get sick" population. Some get a cough, others end up in the ICU on a respirator. And the long term damage is unknown at this point.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 9, 2020 13:28:43 GMT -8
From the link you provided: "While Stanford may be perceived to have limitless resources, the truth is that we do not. In general, Athletics has been a self-sustaining entity on our campus, and we are striving to preserve that model in a time when budgetary support for our academic mission is already under significant stress. Academic and administrative units across the university already have been planning budget cuts of up to 10% in response to the university’s constrained resources as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic." Will be interesting to see what happens at school who aren't even perceived to have "limitless resources", like, say Oregon State. The aftershocks of this pandemic (once we get to the 'after' part of aftershocks, mind you) will be far reaching if messaging like this is emerging from a school with a top-5 school in the country level endowment of $25B+. Go Beavers! $25B is not limitless, but a small fraction is enough to keep these lower level sports going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 13:35:47 GMT -8
Breaking News: Big Ten to Play Conference-Only Schedule for All Fall 2020 Sports | Big Ten Athletics
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Post by ag87 on Jul 9, 2020 13:39:27 GMT -8
Without knowing the average age of a college coach, I would submit to you that more than half the staff consists of 'up and comers' or seasoned assistants in the 40 to 50 range still looking for that first head spot. A distinct minority of coaches are old enough that they might want to take extra precautions. "...get sick and die" In the last 26 days, 5,503 Oregonians (13/100 of 1% of the population) have been confirmed as new cases. During that same time frame, 51 have died, which is right at 1% of the new cases. (I recognize that's a somewhat false number, as deaths will normally trail diagnosis by some number of days.) Of the 51, 5 have been younger than the 'normal' retirement age of 65, and they all had "underlying medical conditions." A coach, ref, trainer, or college professor who actually teaches classes , in reasonably good health, is rather unlikely to die as a result of contacting the virus. You are ignoring the "get sick" population. Some get a cough, others end up in the ICU on a respirator. And the long term damage is unknown at this point. This. I keep hearing people at different age groups, 30 and above, that say that they are medically cleared but still have weird stuff happening in their bodies. Will those symptoms go away. Nobody knows.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 9, 2020 13:50:18 GMT -8
bvrbooster writes: "This is not a life threatening event for the college age population." Yeah, we all pretty much get that. Trouble is students all have parents and grandparents and teachers who are not college age. If the student gets sick, and doesn't die, he passes the virus along to someone who might. The cost is not measured only in deaths. Sickened individuals who eventually get well do so at a massive, massive financial cost to the medical system. The medical professionals who attend to those stricken with the virus also have a dramatically high illness rate. The issue is not the virus' impact on youth. To think of it in these terms is an unfair narrowing of the topic. GO BEAVS!! A college student's parents are likely to be in their 50's, and generally young enough to adequately get through a bout with the virus. If the genes passed on to Junior were good enough for him to go to college, it should be a safe bet that the family IQ is high enough that everybody's figured out that limiting physical contact with 84 year old Grandpa is not optimal. Nothing changes in that regard. Financial cost to the medical system? That's what it exists on, what keeps it operating - revenue from people trying to get or stay healthy. Politicians decreed a few months ago that the medical system would forego revenue from staples like elective surgeries so that the beds would be available to generate revenue from covid patients. In many, many communities, that never happened. Like every other segment of the economy, health care has experienced a financial hit. What is the illness rate for the medical professionals? What was it in April, and what is it today? I don't know, but would be most interested to see the exact numbers. Mass segregation of the populace has probably slowed the spread, but it hasn't curtailed it. It would seem that we're still going to wind up ultimately at X number of cases in Oregon, and all we're accomplishing is dragging it out over a longer period of time. It is reminiscent of death by 10,000 paper cuts. We should be looking to get more things back to normal, not prolonging current restrictions ad infinitum.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 9, 2020 14:03:15 GMT -8
Yep older people are more susceptible. So who is going to coach the college athletes when the older coaches get sick and die. Not to mention the refs, the trainers, etc... Without knowing the average age of a college coach, I would submit to you that more than half the staff consists of 'up and comers' or seasoned assistants in the 40 to 50 range still looking for that first head spot. A distinct minority of coaches are old enough that they might want to take extra precautions. "...get sick and die" In the last 26 days, 5,503 Oregonians (13/100 of 1% of the population) have been confirmed as new cases. During that same time frame, 51 have died, which is right at 1% of the new cases. (I recognize that's a somewhat false number, as deaths will normally trail diagnosis by some number of days.) Of the 51, 5 have been younger than the 'normal' retirement age of 65, and they all had "underlying medical conditions." A coach, ref, trainer, or college professor who actually teaches classes , in reasonably good health, is rather unlikely to die as a result of contacting the virus. And you got your epidemiology doctorate -- where? True, COVID-19 hasn't killed a lot of college-aged kids. However, they are finding that even those with no symptoms suffer lung damage and strokes. COVID victims are being kept out of the military. So the laziest, fattest, less disciplined under 25s are accepted into the military; COVID survivors, nope. But, here's the thing -- as much as you want the world to revolve around you -- it doesn't. You don't know who on your team might be susceptible to a severe case ... or coaches ... or team support personnel [umpires, groundskeepers, ticket agents, etc ... or family members of those mentioned. Go ahead, keep thinking that it's all about you.
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