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Post by irimi on Jul 11, 2020 16:13:12 GMT -8
Alas, werebeaver, you have misread my statement. I wrote "too many are disciples" in reference to the population of the country as a whole, not to the posters on this board. I have no idea how many of you buy into his approach, so I am unable to point them out for you. Pitbeavs has outed himself, however, so we know there's at least one. Perhaps others unwilling to confess in public? Who is to know? In any event, your speculative post turned out to be incorrect. Resetting back to the original question: ”Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules.”Its an ironic question. It’s obviously not a requirement. But certainly, many post as-if it were. For those who do I really don’t think it has anything to do with their familiarity with some guy who died 45 years ago. Even if that individual had never lived we would still be dealing with this very human, very common character flaw. I thought it was for extra credit. ;-) It is an easy mark, and, yes, it is frustrating to receive those replies. It is a human, grade-school response that we all seem to fall back on when we are frustrated. Some rely upon it too frequently, but I think quite a few of those are ex-members of the board.
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Post by beaver94 on Jul 11, 2020 16:14:51 GMT -8
Should the world come to a stop until those answers are known? Disease exists in many forms, none of which are pleasant. After effects of many diseases also exist, and have been known for hundreds of years. Knowledge regarding those effects doesn't change anything about the way society attempts to deal with preventing and/or curing the diseases themselves, does it? I'm not ignoring the "get sick" population. the way the original phrase was written (get sick and die) referred only to those who do both, and that's what I was primarily addressing. For every Oregonian who dies, there are 98 or 99 who just get sick. But sick happens. We've all read the comparisons to normal flu seasons, which certainly include plenty of both sickness and death. But if college sports were cancelled every time there was a flu season, there would never have been any college sports to begin with. Let me flip my argument to a different perspective. Oregon has 36 counties. Of the 36, 24 have not had a single death in the last 26 days, and 10 of them have reported fewer than 10 new cases in that same time period. There is but 1 county (Union) where 1% of the population has fallen ill in that time, and only 7 counties where more than 1/10 of 1% of the population has done so. Clearly, the 'one size fits all' approach taken by our elected officials is not appropriate in many, many areas of our state, and it needs to be changed.This is exactly why college sports must NOT happen at least this Fall. Take a place like Pullman, WA where there are very few cases. Now bring in the football team from UCLA, the cheerleaders, the support, the fans, and whatever else usually follows a team around. All from LA where there are thousands of cases. You’ve just crapped in the swimming pool. Should the world come to a stop until those answers are known? Disease exists in many forms, none of which are pleasant. After effects of many diseases also exist, and have been known for hundreds of years. Knowledge regarding those effects doesn't change anything about the way society attempts to deal with preventing and/or curing the diseases themselves, does it? I'm not ignoring the "get sick" population. the way the original phrase was written (get sick and die) referred only to those who do both, and that's what I was primarily addressing. For every Oregonian who dies, there are 98 or 99 who just get sick. But sick happens. We've all read the comparisons to normal flu seasons, which certainly include plenty of both sickness and death. But if college sports were cancelled every time there was a flu season, there would never have been any college sports to begin with. Let me flip my argument to a different perspective. Oregon has 36 counties. Of the 36, 24 have not had a single death in the last 26 days, and 10 of them have reported fewer than 10 new cases in that same time period. There is but 1 county (Union) where 1% of the population has fallen ill in that time, and only 7 counties where more than 1/10 of 1% of the population has done so. Clearly, the 'one size fits all' approach taken by our elected officials is not appropriate in many, many areas of our state, and it needs to be changed.This is exactly why college sports must NOT happen at least this Fall. Take a place like Pullman, WA where there are very few cases. Now bring in the football team from UCLA, the cheerleaders, the support, the fans, and whatever else usually follows a team around. All from LA where there are thousands of cases. You’ve just crapped in the swimming pool. What if it’s limited to the team and a more limited support staff? I get what you’re saying but eventually we have to find a way to start getting things back to a more normative state.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 11, 2020 16:22:36 GMT -8
Should the world come to a stop until those answers are known? Disease exists in many forms, none of which are pleasant. After effects of many diseases also exist, and have been known for hundreds of years. Knowledge regarding those effects doesn't change anything about the way society attempts to deal with preventing and/or curing the diseases themselves, does it? I'm not ignoring the "get sick" population. the way the original phrase was written (get sick and die) referred only to those who do both, and that's what I was primarily addressing. For every Oregonian who dies, there are 98 or 99 who just get sick. But sick happens. We've all read the comparisons to normal flu seasons, which certainly include plenty of both sickness and death. But if college sports were cancelled every time there was a flu season, there would never have been any college sports to begin with. Let me flip my argument to a different perspective. Oregon has 36 counties. Of the 36, 24 have not had a single death in the last 26 days, and 10 of them have reported fewer than 10 new cases in that same time period. There is but 1 county (Union) where 1% of the population has fallen ill in that time, and only 7 counties where more than 1/10 of 1% of the population has done so. Clearly, the 'one size fits all' approach taken by our elected officials is not appropriate in many, many areas of our state, and it needs to be changed.This is exactly why college sports must NOT happen at least this Fall. Take a place like Pullman, WA where there are very few cases. Now bring in the football team from UCLA, the cheerleaders, the support, the fans, and whatever else usually follows a team around. All from LA where there are thousands of cases. You’ve just crapped in the swimming pool. A majority of the WSU student population is from the Olympia/Tacoma/Seattle/Bellevue/Everett area. And a substantial number of out-of-state students from California. And then there is the team. Mostly from California, Texas, Florida and the greater Seattle metro area. wsucougars.com/sports/football/rosterSo the WSU campus is far from isolated when you look at where everyone is coming from.
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Post by irimi on Jul 11, 2020 20:35:57 GMT -8
This is exactly why college sports must NOT happen at least this Fall. Take a place like Pullman, WA where there are very few cases. Now bring in the football team from UCLA, the cheerleaders, the support, the fans, and whatever else usually follows a team around. All from LA where there are thousands of cases. You’ve just crapped in the swimming pool. A majority of the WSU student population is from the Olympia/Tacoma/Seattle/Bellevue/Everett area. And a substantial number of out-of-state students from California. And then there is the team. Mostly from California, Texas, Florida and the greater Seattle metro area. wsucougars.com/sports/football/rosterSo the WSU campus is far from isolated when you look at where everyone is coming from. You bring up good points. There remain quite a few questions that each university will need to sort out. September (or August for semester schools like WSU) could be hell, even without football.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 11, 2020 23:30:45 GMT -8
I have serious doubts there is a WBB season this year, and if there is one, I expect it will be with a reduced schedule. If that does happen, it is a bummer for the really good athletes who under normal circumstances would have shots at their school career leader board. Taylor Jones would be a good example. Her chances of being the career rebound leader at Oregon State looked very good toward the end of her freshman season, but then her freshman year was cut short. Now, it's quite possible her sophomore season may be shortned as well.
As for the topic at hand, I'm doubting there will be a season because of many previous mentioned concerns, but I think in the end most will look back and think not having sports was a mistake.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 12, 2020 11:37:24 GMT -8
If there are no sports and people don't get sick in greater numbers, there will be second guessing. If there are sports and a lot more people get sick, there will be second guessing.
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Post by rob85 on Jul 12, 2020 14:30:01 GMT -8
If there are no sports and people don't get sick in greater numbers, there will be second guessing. If there are sports and a lot more people get sick, there will be second guessing. Followed by second guessing of the second guessing. Interspersed with insults and occasional gunfire.
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Post by qbeaver on Jul 12, 2020 14:33:07 GMT -8
Only the assential team people would go to games...players,coaches,and medical people...no cheerleaders,no radio people,no fans,etc.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 12, 2020 15:23:51 GMT -8
Only the assential team people would go to games...players,coaches,and medical people...no cheerleaders,no radio people,no fans,etc. That requires assent from the conference HQ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 18:48:06 GMT -8
Only the assential team people would go to games...players,coaches,and medical people...no cheerleaders,no radio people,no fans,etc. I guarantee no bands playing at games. Just imagine all that high velocity human exhaust spewing over the crowd and the players.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 12, 2020 18:57:28 GMT -8
Only the assential team people would go to games...players,coaches,and medical people...no cheerleaders,no radio people,no fans,etc. I guarantee no bands playing at games. Just imagine all that high velocity human exhaust spewing over the crowd and the players. Maybe just drums? No saliva involved.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 12, 2020 19:21:10 GMT -8
I guarantee no bands playing at games. Just imagine all that high velocity human exhaust spewing over the crowd and the players. Maybe just drums? No saliva involved. I'm not optimistic but it still is possible there will be games. If, as a society, we do the right thing cases could be way down in six weeks. If the testing and contact tracing is done perfectly schools and sports teams could function half way normally. But if a decent percentage (maybe more than 15%) of people continue to be stupid and selfish this will continue until there are millions dead in our country alone. And it will continue until an effective vaccine is mass produced.
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Post by qbeaver on Jul 13, 2020 5:29:13 GMT -8
I know Mike Parker speculated he likely won't be at any away games this year...just call the game from our press box from a television monitor,or some studio maybe.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 13, 2020 22:37:09 GMT -8
Maybe just drums? No saliva involved. I'm not optimistic but it still is possible there will be games. If, as a society, we do the right thing cases could be way down in six weeks. If the testing and contact tracing is done perfectly schools and sports teams could function half way normally. But if a decent percentage (maybe more than 15%) of people continue to be stupid and selfish this will continue until there are millions dead in our country alone. And it will continue until an effective vaccine is mass produced. My sample size is small, but I agree that "stupid and selfish" people seem to be out there, and perhaps in larger quantities than your 15% number. Very worrisome.....but I don't want to rant here about that issue or the political climate that has exacerbated the issue - back to your level of optimism - I tend to agree: I actually think we will have to see if we can get testing, contact tracing and university policy in place in a credible fashion, and then perhaps there will be sports. I don't know if OSU reopens (in person) this Fall. I think football will either need to be rescheduled for after the New Year, and perhaps an effective vaccine (and a population willing to vaccinate in large enough numbers) might allow for Spring sports, and perhaps reduced schedule basketball. That said, I would give even odds to the possibility we don't see sports in the year 2020. I sure hope I am wrong, but "the surge" and what California school districts are doing might be the canary in the coal mine....... Go Beavers!
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Post by rafer on Jul 14, 2020 18:38:40 GMT -8
I'm not optimistic but it still is possible there will be games. If, as a society, we do the right thing cases could be way down in six weeks. If the testing and contact tracing is done perfectly schools and sports teams could function half way normally. But if a decent percentage (maybe more than 15%) of people continue to be stupid and selfish this will continue until there are millions dead in our country alone. And it will continue until an effective vaccine is mass produced. My sample size is small, but I agree that "stupid and selfish" people seem to be out there, and perhaps in larger quantities than your 15% number. Very worrisome.....but I don't want to rant here about that issue or the political climate that has exacerbated the issue - back to your level of optimism - I tend to agree: I actually think we will have to see if we can get testing, contact tracing and university policy in place in a credible fashion, and then perhaps there will be sports. I don't know if OSU reopens (in person) this Fall. I think football will either need to be rescheduled for after the New Year, and perhaps an effective vaccine (and a population willing to vaccinate in large enough numbers) might allow for Spring sports, and perhaps reduced schedule basketball. That said, I would give even odds to the possibility we don't see sports in the year 2020. I sure hope I am wrong, but "the surge" and what California school districts are doing might be the canary in the coal mine....... Go Beavers! There has been many various flu vaccines for the past century and yet often 100's of thousands die worldwide every year or so from influenza. If we're going to wait for a 100% fool proof vaccine, we're done....never going to happen. I have been out and about several times in the past 2-3 weeks, and virtually everyone I see is masked up when appropriate, some even driving in their own cars (not sure I get that). IT has been suggested that the migrant farm workers that travel for work this time of year are a major hot spot, I don't know, but it has raised the numbers in my county, significantly in many ag businesses, I expect it is also an issue in some of the eastern counties..
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