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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:27:08 GMT -8
As a Man 75 I have read through these comments. It seems people forget the Doctors have changed as has the Science. I have been careful play pickle all and hope the Health Club re opens soon. I also think the Gov’t in Oregon,Washington, and California have done some stupid over reach. Protect vulnerable and go on with Life. Seems we are quick to allow our freedoms to be washed away. Many businesses and Economies have been destroyed. I also noticed the Leftist violence goes unchecked and their spreading it is ok I guess. We can barely attend Church and no Baseball yet? Seems to Ne this should clear up in November. Are you beaverclever's dad?
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:27:52 GMT -8
It will magically disappear the next day after the general election or at least greatly improve overnight. Absolutely ridiculous post. I bet the people in Germany, Italy, France, Russia, Japan, Brazil and all will be so happy to hear the big bad trump haters are playing with smoke and mirrors world wide until November 3rd. All the dead and people with scarred lungs is all a hoax Dude, it's sarcasm.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:29:43 GMT -8
Thank you, orangeblood, for pointing that out. Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach - if someone makes an argument that doesn't coincide with your viewpoint, shout him down and make it seem as though his motives are base and, somehow, self serving. With all due respect, I don’t think there are many folks on this board who even know who that guy is, let alone who are his “disciples”. Saul Alinsky wrote Rules for Radicals, a process manual for community activists.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:31:01 GMT -8
Well, here's your chance to google him and learn something new. He was a big influence on Hillary Clinton in her youth. (Might be spelled Allinsky) "Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise.. Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 10:36:21 GMT -8
"Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise.. Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time. I use the Wilbur Throckmorton principles myself.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 10, 2020 10:37:11 GMT -8
"Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise.. Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time. Well then, according to bvrbooser you're one of the people responsible for the lack of civility here. FWIW.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:37:38 GMT -8
Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time. I use the Wilbur Throckmorton principles myself. lol
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 10, 2020 10:39:05 GMT -8
Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time. So you'd consider yourself a "disciple"? At onetime, yes. But with the advent of the WWW and social media, it became necessary to evolve beyond Alinsky.
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Post by beaver94 on Jul 10, 2020 12:05:02 GMT -8
Me. I've used his principles for -- well -- a long time. Well then, according to bvrbooser you're one of the people responsible for the lack of civility here. FWIW. Bvrbooster wouldn't be far off. Take a look at the majority of pitbeavs posts. He's still harassing other posters with his made up name for a banned poster.
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Post by vhalum92 on Jul 10, 2020 15:35:22 GMT -8
This would be a big mistake, so, naturally, colleges and universities will make it. Of the 43 Oregonians who have died of covid in the last 26 days (1/1,000 of 1% of the state's population), the youngest was 53 years old. This is not a life threatening event for the college age population. All universities should announce that they'll play the games, but might limit admission to students only - decision to be made later. That way they at least get the radio and television revenue, and their fans have a way of watching and following the teams. If you cancel football, to use one example, you automatically give another full year of scholarship benefits to 85 kids if they want it. It negatively impacts recruiting for 2021, as all those scholarships you were going to have become available in January when current 4th year players finish their eligibility suddenly aren't available after all. Plus you'll still have to pay Jonathan et al, still have to pay the mortgage (if there is one) on Reser, and so on. Is the PGA Tour the only sane operation in sports? To answer your question... No. UFC is fighting... Saturday will be a big one. Nascar is racing Formula 1 is racing... not sure about INDY cars. In less than 2 weeks the MLB is scheduled to start games... I wouldn't bet on that happening right now but that is the official plan I've heard the HS baseball summer teams are playing. I hope to go watch some soon I look forward to being thrashed for honestly answering your question and expressing my personal opinion.... I hope this isn't read as political either. Just the facts as I know them.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 10, 2020 16:31:52 GMT -8
Well, here's your chance to google him and learn something new. He was a big influence on Hillary Clinton in her youth. (Might be spelled Allinsky) "Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise.. Alas, werebeaver, you have misread my statement. I wrote "too many are disciples" in reference to the population of the country as a whole, not to the posters on this board. I have no idea how many of you buy into his approach, so I am unable to point them out for you. Pitbeavs has outed himself, however, so we know there's at least one. Perhaps others unwilling to confess in public? Who is to know? In any event, your speculative post turned out to be incorrect.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 11, 2020 7:04:42 GMT -8
"Alas, too many are disciples of Saul Alinsky and favor his approach" - your quote. I don't think there are any "disciples of Saul Alinsky" on this particular OSU sports board. Maybe you'd be so kind as to point them out for our benefit. Otherwise.. Alas, werebeaver, you have misread my statement. I wrote "too many are disciples" in reference to the population of the country as a whole, not to the posters on this board. I have no idea how many of you buy into his approach, so I am unable to point them out for you. Pitbeavs has outed himself, however, so we know there's at least one. Perhaps others unwilling to confess in public? Who is to know? In any event, your speculative post turned out to be incorrect. Resetting back to the original question: ”Is it a requirement that in order to disagree with a point made by a previous poster that one must attack that poster personally? I guess I missed that when I read the rules.”Its an ironic question. It’s obviously not a requirement. But certainly, many post as-if it were. For those who do I really don’t think it has anything to do with their familiarity with some guy who died 45 years ago. Even if that individual had never lived we would still be dealing with this very human, very common character flaw.
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Post by beaveragain on Jul 11, 2020 10:55:38 GMT -8
I googled Saul Alinsky. Says he was a community activist who tried to organize/help the poor. The SCUM, no wonder people hate him long after he died.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jul 11, 2020 12:00:05 GMT -8
Well then, according to bvrbooser you're one of the people responsible for the lack of civility here. FWIW. Bvrbooster wouldn't be far off. Take a look at the majority of pitbeavs posts. He's still harassing other posters with his made up name for a banned poster. lol
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Post by irimi on Jul 11, 2020 16:02:39 GMT -8
Should the world come to a stop until those answers are known? Disease exists in many forms, none of which are pleasant. After effects of many diseases also exist, and have been known for hundreds of years. Knowledge regarding those effects doesn't change anything about the way society attempts to deal with preventing and/or curing the diseases themselves, does it? I'm not ignoring the "get sick" population. the way the original phrase was written (get sick and die) referred only to those who do both, and that's what I was primarily addressing. For every Oregonian who dies, there are 98 or 99 who just get sick. But sick happens. We've all read the comparisons to normal flu seasons, which certainly include plenty of both sickness and death. But if college sports were cancelled every time there was a flu season, there would never have been any college sports to begin with. Let me flip my argument to a different perspective. Oregon has 36 counties. Of the 36, 24 have not had a single death in the last 26 days, and 10 of them have reported fewer than 10 new cases in that same time period. There is but 1 county (Union) where 1% of the population has fallen ill in that time, and only 7 counties where more than 1/10 of 1% of the population has done so. Clearly, the 'one size fits all' approach taken by our elected officials is not appropriate in many, many areas of our state, and it needs to be changed.This is exactly why college sports must NOT happen at least this Fall. Take a place like Pullman, WA where there are very few cases. Now bring in the football team from UCLA, the cheerleaders, the support, the fans, and whatever else usually follows a team around. All from LA where there are thousands of cases. You’ve just crapped in the swimming pool.
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