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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 29, 2020 15:31:02 GMT -8
I’m just impressed that Wilky managed to use the words “dopey” and “promulgate” in not only the same post, but the same sentence. Many props.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2020 15:54:06 GMT -8
I do not think we are tournament worthy. Guess there are a lot of bad teams out there of which we are one. Tres plays like his ankle is not right. He just is not the same player. Also I see no future with what we have recruited so far. Pac-12 looks like it could be a six-bid conference. Washington is likely staying home, because of a putrid conference record. Oregon State and UCLA are in the probable NIT range. Last year, San Diego was probably the last team in. The Toreros finished seventh in the West Coast Conference with a losing record and a slap-in-Oregon-State's-face NET of 97. The Beavers (Pac-12 #4), who finished with a NET of 87 100% should have received an invite over San Diego. And the Toreros lost the opener by 14 points. Ridiculous. Wichita State, which finished sixth in the American Athletic Conference, also got an invite over Pac-12 #4 Oregon State. The Shockers took the invite and rode it all the way to NYC. Ridiculous. This year, despite doing well worse in the Pac-12, the strength of the Pac-12 is inflating Oregon State's numbers. The Beavers deserved to be an NIT invite last year. This year, with a better NET, they definitely should be. Oregon State not getting invited last year is coloring people's perceptions, enabling dopey arguments to promulgate. I also wanted to add that, preseason, Oregon State was predicted to finish eighth in the Pac-12 by Sports Illustrated. (7th was UCLA. The preseason media poll flip-flopped Oregon state and UCLA, and the pair were closer to each other than they were to 6th or 9th.) And here we are more than four months later, and Oregon State is eighth in line for postseason in the Pac-12. (And a bad no call away from seventh.) The Beavers are exactly, where they were projected to be.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 29, 2020 20:31:22 GMT -8
At this moment we’re 11th in the conference and only ahead of udub. Whom we’ve already lost to. This season started out promising. But they failed to capitalize after some big conference wins. Too much experience in the starting lineup to not even make the NIT.
But this is a coach who likes to roll w 3 small forwards, an off guard and a center, despite two capable PG’s on the bench a majority of the time. Lack of ball handlers and lack of 3 point shooting always seems to lead to long costly droughts.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 29, 2020 20:54:26 GMT -8
At this moment we’re 11th in the conference and only ahead of udub. Whom we’ve already lost to. This season started out promising. But they failed to capitalize after some big conference wins. Too much experience in the starting lineup to not even make the NIT. But this is a coach who likes to roll w 3 small forwards, an off guard and a center, despite two capable PG’s on the bench a majority of the time. Lack of ball handlers and lack of 3 point shooting always seems to lead to long costly droughts. It would always nice to score more points, and that is what everyone seems to focus on. But the problems with this team are 99% on defense. I would personally chalk most of that up to the lack of a 4 and a general lack of speed. Kelley and Tres are plus defenders. ET is great when guarding twos, but is usually too slow to guard ones. Everyone else is a flat out defensive liability at this point. It's just a question of to what degree..........
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 29, 2020 21:08:45 GMT -8
Well you make good points too. And the failure to utilize our 2 PG’s indeed does hurt us on D also. We tend to be too slow around the perimeter and give up too many open treys. But you have to admit we do have awfully long scoring dead zones that have hurt us in almost every loss. Like starting the second half vs hole w like 4 points in 8 minutes
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 29, 2020 21:10:36 GMT -8
I’d also like to add it would be fun to see (GASP) both Vernon and Hunt on the floor together and go uptempo w pressure D for some small stretches.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 2, 2020 11:27:58 GMT -8
I love Hunt, but he's made some really brutal decisions and been careless with the ball in his limited minutes. I'd say there's a definite reason he's not on the floor more than he is. He's going to be a good one, but I would guess he's not making it easy on the coaching staff in practice to justify those minutes during games.
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Post by billsaab on Mar 2, 2020 13:28:46 GMT -8
How much less interesting can this Team become.? We will find out.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 0:05:30 GMT -8
I love Hunt, but he's made some really brutal decisions and been careless with the ball in his limited minutes. I'd say there's a definite reason he's not on the floor more than he is. He's going to be a good one, but I would guess he's not making it easy on the coaching staff in practice to justify those minutes during games. Funny... equalizing MP make Hunt and Vernon very close in Pac12 contributions with far better assist to turnover ratio... as a under used Soph and true Frosh vs experience Jr. ZR: 29.1 MP / 7.7 pts / 2.8 reb / 1.2 A:TO Hunt: 14 MP / 2.8 pts / 1.3 reb / 1.0 A:TO * 5.9 pts / 2.7 rebs / 1.0 Vernon:8.6 MP /1.2 pts /0.8rebs / 5.5 A:TO * 4.1 pts / 2.7 rebs / 5.5 And, both are athletically superior defenders, just no court time. ZR is a sub (if that) on any decent Pac12 team. So, in a sense guess your right, he should be starting and playing 29+ min a game. Seems to be working.
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Post by beaversproud on Mar 3, 2020 17:14:40 GMT -8
I love Hunt, but he's made some really brutal decisions and been careless with the ball in his limited minutes. I'd say there's a definite reason he's not on the floor more than he is. He's going to be a good one, but I would guess he's not making it easy on the coaching staff in practice to justify those minutes during games. Funny... equalizing MP make Hunt and Vernon very close in Pac12 contributions with far better assist to turnover ratio... as a under used Soph and true Frosh vs experience Jr. ZR: 29.1 MP / 7.7 pts / 2.8 reb / 1.2 A:TO Hunt: 14 MP / 2.8 pts / 1.3 reb / 1.0 A:TO * 5.9 pts / 2.7 rebs / 1.0 Vernon:8.6 MP /1.2 pts /0.8rebs / 5.5 A:TO * 4.1 pts / 2.7 rebs / 5.5 And, both are athletically superior defenders, just no court time. ZR is a sub (if that) on any decent Pac12 team. So, in a sense guess your right, he should be starting and playing 29+ min a game. Seems to be working. I don't mean to be nostalgic, but didn't we do well against CU when Hunt was running point? and when we hosted AZ? Early PAC-12 games. Wonder which games killed his PT.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 17:18:29 GMT -8
Funny... equalizing MP make Hunt and Vernon very close in Pac12 contributions with far better assist to turnover ratio... as a under used Soph and true Frosh vs experience Jr. ZR: 29.1 MP / 7.7 pts / 2.8 reb / 1.2 A:TO Hunt: 14 MP / 2.8 pts / 1.3 reb / 1.0 A:TO * 5.9 pts / 2.7 rebs / 1.0 Vernon:8.6 MP /1.2 pts /0.8rebs / 5.5 A:TO * 4.1 pts / 2.7 rebs / 5.5 And, both are athletically superior defenders, just no court time. ZR is a sub (if that) on any decent Pac12 team. So, in a sense guess your right, he should be starting and playing 29+ min a game. Seems to be working. I don't mean to be nostalgic, but didn't we do well against CU when Hunt was running point? and when we hosted AZ? Early PAC-12 games. Wonder which games killed his PT. I do not really keep track game by game, minute by minute... BUT, he has had great minutes, then some bad. But, he never get consistent play, and who on this team that plays 30+ minutes doesn't play up and down?! He's our best PG, period. He's now basically a freshman again next year.
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Post by shelby on Mar 3, 2020 17:42:32 GMT -8
If he stays ?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2020 18:24:38 GMT -8
Although his family wasn't the dispirited group I saw briefly for two games earlier in the year. Who knows with kids now with transfers just as easy as signing their LOI. There are plenty of hoops schools that could possible make a kid happier than where he's not playing. Or, at least where he thinks he's not playing enough. And, most are on level ground in that most aren't elite NCAA contenders. That said, hope players do not leave, but go where you'll be happy. Life's too short to have regret doing what you love.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 3, 2020 19:18:56 GMT -8
Although his family wasn't the dispirited group I saw briefly for two games earlier in the year. Who knows with kids now with transfers just as easy as signing their LOI. There are plenty of hoops schools that could possible make a kid happier than where he's not playing. Or, at least where he thinks he's not playing enough. And, most are on level ground in that most aren't elite NCAA contenders. That said, hope players do not leave, but go where you'll be happy. Life's too short to have regret doing what you love. I agree 100%, but that rarely seems to be the case now. I was worried about this possibility through the 2nd half of the season. It certainly wouldn’t have hurt to give the next gen some playing time. Get them excited and provide improvement for next year. But alas...here we are. 11th place and lots of questions.
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Post by irimi on Mar 4, 2020 17:49:16 GMT -8
Pac-12 looks like it could be a six-bid conference. Washington is likely staying home, because of a putrid conference record. Oregon State and UCLA are in the probable NIT range. Last year, San Diego was probably the last team in. The Toreros finished seventh in the West Coast Conference with a losing record and a slap-in-Oregon-State's-face NET of 97. The Beavers (Pac-12 #4), who finished with a NET of 87 100% should have received an invite over San Diego. And the Toreros lost the opener by 14 points. Ridiculous. Wichita State, which finished sixth in the American Athletic Conference, also got an invite over Pac-12 #4 Oregon State. The Shockers took the invite and rode it all the way to NYC. Ridiculous. This year, despite doing well worse in the Pac-12, the strength of the Pac-12 is inflating Oregon State's numbers. The Beavers deserved to be an NIT invite last year. This year, with a better NET, they definitely should be. Oregon State not getting invited last year is coloring people's perceptions, enabling dopey arguments to promulgate. I also wanted to add that, preseason, Oregon State was predicted to finish eighth in the Pac-12 by Sports Illustrated. (7th was UCLA. The preseason media poll flip-flopped Oregon state and UCLA, and the pair were closer to each other than they were to 6th or 9th.) And here we are more than four months later, and Oregon State is eighth in line for postseason in the Pac-12. (And a bad no call away from seventh.) The Beavers are exactly, where they were projected to be. When we're projected to finish 8th in the league and we meet that expectation, I'd say that it's a failure of a season. Anytime we are projected to finish in the bottom half of the league and we can't rise above that, then we are losing to gravity and the situation is likely to remain poor if not worsen.
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