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Post by OSUprof on Mar 9, 2020 12:23:12 GMT -8
Here's the 6th year, end of regular season comparisons for Tinkle and Robinson:
Robinson
2013-14 Overall 16-14, Conference 8-10
Tinkle
2019-20 Overall 17-13, Conference 7-11
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2020 12:29:17 GMT -8
Your bolded, italicized, and underlined exclamatory sentence does not make sense as written. Drunk and Stoopid is not making a straw man's argument, because you appear to be incorporating someone else's prediction as your own. Further, you quite clearly stated that you would rather lose than hear someone talk positively about this basketball team. You can try and Chuck Schumer backpedal out of that, if you would like, but your UCLA post was 100% wrong. Additionally, I never ever root against Oregon State, even if it would be inconvenient to do so. I am a big fan of the team. For me, the negativity coming from the Fire Tinkle crowd is draining all of the fun out of being an Oregon State fan for all sports. I am less excited about baseball and women's basketball. I am much less excited about men's basketball. This still has the potential to be a great season for the men, even if that is a highly unlikely eventuality. A conversation about Oregon State's future can be had after the nets have been cut or not. Talking about it mid-season is frankly annoying. Dude you're so confused maybe the lack of fun should lead you elsewhere? UCLA prediction? It wasn't my prediction. Get a clue. It was a media statement... hence Drunk's inclusion in discussion of media predicting league finishes. So... the straw man is in play and you added to it. The media statement about UCLA didn't give a league placement. It had zero to do with where UCLA finished. It was a synopsis of where they stood talent wise post Alford. As I stated. The straw man was the inclusion of my post that had zero relationship to league finishes, yet implied two things... first, I took that media assessment of UCLA to be accurate; two, that it had a prediction attached. The post tried to incorrectly falsify my and other posts that media predictions on league finishes are also what sets team "expectations". So, again as is your want, you enter a discussion flaunting an IQ, but no substantive knowledge of the actually topic. And... believe what you want about Wayne and posts about his shortcomings. You don't have to read them. You don't have to be here. But, believe that other than your copy and paste historical diatribes, the mtns you decide to plant flags border on fan lunacy. So, my advice is stay in you lane. Post what you want, but I'd be very careful pulling out judgment cards on ANY other posts. Ken Simonton, Luke, anyone with actual coaching/playing experience, plus a couple others approved of this message. From Roget's Thesaurus: "Prediction" is a synonym of "Expectation." You are trying to play with semantics. You are playing poorly. And then you are playing the victim card, when you are called on it. Your final sentence finishes with three ad hominem attacks. Resorting to ad hominem attacks and your general tone appear to be a concession of the primary argument and an attempt to shift into three different arguments that you believe that you have a chance of more success. You are a moving target. I will stand by Ken Simonton was a good RB on a great team. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. I will stand by legal analysis Luke Heimlich does not have a case against the media. I will also stand by my personal conclusions drawn from the facts as I am aware of them. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. As far as coaching/playing experience, I have some of both, but I very much doubt that I have the depth on any sports topic that some on here have. I concede that. Sometimes, I will state things just to see, if I am on the right track in my attempts to learn more about the game. And sometimes, I will be wrong. I am not infallible, and I do not claim to be.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2020 12:54:13 GMT -8
Here's the 6th year, end of regular season comparisons for Tinkle and Robinson:
Robinson
2013-14 Overall 16-14, Conference 8-10
Tinkle
2019-20 Overall 17-13, Conference 7-11 Oregon State finished 10th in 2014 and then lost by 14 to #7 Oregon. 2013-14 Attendance: 73,129 3,849/game
2019-20 Attendance: 79,115 4,654/game
Oregon State had 5,984 more fans with two fewer home games.
The highest attended game in 2013-14 was the Civil War, 6,358 in attendance. Oregon State drew 9,301 in the 2020 Civil War. Oregon State drew 6,526 for USC this year, 168 more than in even the 2014 Civil War. For comparison, Oregon State only drew 3,774 for USC in 2014.
Oregon State had six seniors on that 2014 team, lost Eric Moreland to the 2014 NBA Draft, lost Hallice Cooke to transfer to Iowa State, and lost Challe Barton to the Sundsvall Dragons. The team was in complete disarray, as it was obvious that the ship was sinking, the rats were leaving, and Coach Robinson had completely lost the team.
Oregon State has two seniors on this 2020 team.
No comparison, not where it matters at least.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 9, 2020 13:42:21 GMT -8
I just realized that unless the Beavs win their first 2 in Pac 12 tourney or get invite to NIT, I’ve seen my last game of the season.
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Post by wetrodentia on Mar 9, 2020 14:03:30 GMT -8
Dude you're so confused maybe the lack of fun should lead you elsewhere? UCLA prediction? It wasn't my prediction. Get a clue. It was a media statement... hence Drunk's inclusion in discussion of media predicting league finishes. So... the straw man is in play and you added to it. The media statement about UCLA didn't give a league placement. It had zero to do with where UCLA finished. It was a synopsis of where they stood talent wise post Alford. As I stated. The straw man was the inclusion of my post that had zero relationship to league finishes, yet implied two things... first, I took that media assessment of UCLA to be accurate; two, that it had a prediction attached. The post tried to incorrectly falsify my and other posts that media predictions on league finishes are also what sets team "expectations". So, again as is your want, you enter a discussion flaunting an IQ, but no substantive knowledge of the actually topic. And... believe what you want about Wayne and posts about his shortcomings. You don't have to read them. You don't have to be here. But, believe that other than your copy and paste historical diatribes, the mtns you decide to plant flags border on fan lunacy. So, my advice is stay in you lane. Post what you want, but I'd be very careful pulling out judgment cards on ANY other posts. Ken Simonton, Luke, anyone with actual coaching/playing experience, plus a couple others approved of this message. From Roget's Thesaurus: "Prediction" is a synonym of "Expectation." You are trying to play with semantics. You are playing poorly. And then you are playing the victim card, when you are called on it. Your final sentence finishes with three ad hominem attacks. Resorting to ad hominem attacks and your general tone appear to be a concession of the primary argument and an attempt to shift into three different arguments that you believe that you have a chance of more success. You are a moving target. I will stand by Ken Simonton was a good RB on a great team. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. I will stand by legal analysis Luke Heimlich does not have a case against the media. I will also stand by my personal conclusions drawn from the facts as I am aware of them. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. As far as coaching/playing experience, I have some of both, but I very much doubt that I have the depth on any sports topic that some on here have. I concede that. Sometimes, I will state things just to see, if I am on the right track in my attempts to learn more about the game. And sometimes, I will be wrong. I am not infallible, and I do not claim to be. Regarding Kenny, it just occurred to me that Ken was the league offensive MVP in NFL Europe. That was a good group of football players and he was a standout. Don't remember why he didn't get a shot in the NFL but he was better than "good" IMO:
Simonton, allocated by the Buffalo Bills, began the season by scoring four touchdowns in one game and ended as the league leader with 10 touchdowns. His combined total of 1,253 yards from scrimmage was almost 500 yards ahead of his nearest challenger and left him only 15 yards short of the NFLEL record held by ex-Dragon Lawrence Phillips.
Simonton is the fifth straight running back to be named Offensive MVP and Claymores head coach Gene Dahlquist said: "He is a tremendous all-round player. We tried to figure out more and more ways to get him the ball."
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 9, 2020 14:59:25 GMT -8
From Roget's Thesaurus: "Prediction" is a synonym of "Expectation." You are trying to play with semantics. You are playing poorly. And then you are playing the victim card, when you are called on it. Your final sentence finishes with three ad hominem attacks. Resorting to ad hominem attacks and your general tone appear to be a concession of the primary argument and an attempt to shift into three different arguments that you believe that you have a chance of more success. You are a moving target. I will stand by Ken Simonton was a good RB on a great team. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. I will stand by legal analysis Luke Heimlich does not have a case against the media. I will also stand by my personal conclusions drawn from the facts as I am aware of them. Disagree or not, that is a completely separate discussion. As far as coaching/playing experience, I have some of both, but I very much doubt that I have the depth on any sports topic that some on here have. I concede that. Sometimes, I will state things just to see, if I am on the right track in my attempts to learn more about the game. And sometimes, I will be wrong. I am not infallible, and I do not claim to be. Regarding Kenny, it just occurred to me that Ken was the league offensive MVP in NFL Europe. That was a good group of football players and he was a standout. Don't remember why he didn't get a shot in the NFL but he was better than "good" IMO:
Simonton, allocated by the Buffalo Bills, began the season by scoring four touchdowns in one game and ended as the league leader with 10 touchdowns. His combined total of 1,253 yards from scrimmage was almost 500 yards ahead of his nearest challenger and left him only 15 yards short of the NFLEL record held by ex-Dragon Lawrence Phillips.
Simonton is the fifth straight running back to be named Offensive MVP and Claymores head coach Gene Dahlquist said: "He is a tremendous all-round player. We tried to figure out more and more ways to get him the ball."
Size, durability, speed, elusiveness. Simonton did not really have any of the foregoing in spades. He usually put up monster numbers against subpar competition in the first half of the season and disappeared in the second half. He stayed healthy in his one year in Glasgow and put up good numbers, but Lawrence Phillips was a sociopath and put up better numbers back when there was more talent in NFL Europe. Simonton played a year in Buffalo and a year for St. Dennis at San Francisco, but, after St. Dennis was fired, Simonton did not have a home anymore and retired after the Lions signed him before playing a game. Simonton showed up in Calgary for one game in 2007 but was released before the 2008 season.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 9, 2020 15:49:18 GMT -8
He usually put up monster numbers against subpar competition in the first half of the season and disappeared in the second half.
Once again, the numbers say otherwise.
Let's look at the final five games of 1999 and the last six of 2000, when Ken supposedly "disappeared."
1999: @ WSU, 9-41, 2 TDs. After missing the previous game with a rib injury, he came in in the third quarter when our offense was stalled and sparked us by scoring two second-half TDs in a 27-13 win.
Cal: 31-134, scored a two-point conversion.
Arizona: 21-149.
@ Oregon, 21-63, 2 TDs.
Vs. Hawaii: 18-157, 2 TDs.
So in his final five games of 1999, he averaged about 108 yards per game, 5.3 yards per carry, with six touchdowns, against Pac-10 opponents and in a bowl game.
So let's go to 2000
Vs. Stanford: 14-81, 1 TD.
Vs. WSU: 26-169, 2 TDs.
@ Cal: 17-125, 3 TDs.
@ Arizona: 19-73, 1 TD.
Oregon: 24-113, 1 TD.
Notre Dame: 18-85, 1 TD.
So, in the last six games of 2000, he averaged 108 yards per game and 5.8 YPC, with 9 TDs, against Pac-10 opponents and in a bowl game.
I wish all our RBs would "disappear" like he did.
The individual game stats of 1998 are not available on OSUbeavers.com. However I do remember KS scoring four TDs against oregon in our last game of the season. Guess he didn't disappear that night, either.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2020 7:54:13 GMT -8
So you can honestly say that your expectations for this team were that it would be 5-11 and in 11th place in the conference at this point in time? Do you think WT and the players' expectations were where the team is now? If that is truly where you thought this team would be at this point, then I guess you're happy and the rest of us are crazy to think that just as other teams have improved in the conference WT would have helped the Beavers do the same thing. And I'm not sure why you think a coach should get a pass because the media sees his team as second division and he manages to finish in the second division. So I guess the key for WT to keep his job is to make sure the media has low expectations for the Beavs. Look Beaver Nation, I met expectations. As to the media knowing full well how teams will finish, I believe currently there are 11 teams in AP top 25 that were not in the preseason poll. Five of those teams are currently in the top 15 with two in the top 5 (Dayton at 3 and San Diego St. at 5). But the media knows all. The season was front-loaded. Finishing 7th/8th was my expectation. I had no illusions that anyone was going to come in and make a big splash among the newcomers. The improvement in KK, ZR, and ET are great, but they were offset by losing ST and TT not playing to potential. If last year's TT had shown up for the bulk of the season, I believe that we are having a different conversation right now, but he seemed hobbled for a couple of games, when we absolutely needed a 100% TT. The national media is made up of a bunch of morons. No debate. You are preaching to the choir. The conference media, especially, when you expand that to liberally include pretty much everyone had us pegged at 7th/8th, depending on whether they bought into UCLA or not. And guess what, we finished 8th. If your expectations were higher, I do not know what to tell you. As for what it will take to keep WT's job, that is another conversation, which diverges from our previous conversation. The reason that expectations were low is because recruiting and retention have been poor. I think that little of either has to do with WT and are more of an indictment on the scandalous lack of support that Oregon State Men's Basketball has received since at least BDC was at the helm. I think that expectations are 7th/8th, because Tinkle put together a better team than Oregon State deserves based on financial support. And I think that he coached to expectations. Getting rid of Tinkle for finishing better than 10th is really missing the boat on how to improve the team. You improve the team by financial outlays. You improve the team by improving facilities and building a positive fan experience and a positive culture. Oregon State is going to turn into coach poison, if Tinkle is truly on the hot seat after a 17+ win season in Corvallis. This is circa 2013 anti-Riley all over again. Who the hell do we think that we are? Proverbs 16:18. Pride goeth before a fall. All I can say is that Wayne Tinkle must have done something right in a previous life. He may have the greatest college basketball head coaching job in the country. He gets paid $2M and poor recruiting and retention of players is basically not his fault according to you. Six years to build a program and culture and 7-11 conference record is a-OK. And if that isn't enough, let's let his team play 9 non-conference quad 4 games (more than any other in the top 90 or so NET ranked teams) -- cuz, you know, don't want to make it too difficult to get to that magic 4 games over .500 mark.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 10, 2020 8:42:36 GMT -8
So you’re saying Wayne went to the AD and said “get me quad 4 games”?
I don’t think that’s how scheduling works.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2020 8:57:28 GMT -8
All I can say is that Wayne Tinkle must have done something right in a previous life. He may have the greatest college basketball head coaching job in the country. He gets paid $2M and poor recruiting and retention of players is basically not his fault according to you. Six years to build a program and culture and 7-11 conference record is a-OK. And if that isn't enough, let's let his team play 9 non-conference quad 4 games (more than any other in the top 90 or so NET ranked teams) -- cuz, you know, don't want to make it too difficult to get to that magic 4 games over .500 mark. While I'm not going to say Wayne Tinkle is Riley-esque, I'm mostly with Wilky on this one. If the previous coach had been 20 wins consistently and putting us in postseason play, then sure, it'd be time to fire Tinkle. But he wasn't. Neither was the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or really the coach before him. All were cut loose after six years to start anew. It hasn't worked. Some people seem to be confusing not thinking he should be fired with thinking he's the greatest coach in the world, and had he not been extended (twice) by the athletic department, then this might be a perfect time to look for a new coach. But he was extended, and we still owe him $6M+. You want to talk about the greatest job in the country? How about not having to work for three years while cashing a check for $100K every month as you wake up and say "what do I have to do today? Oh right, nothing." Instead he'll cash those checks while jack-wagons like us second guess his every move and downplay every accomplishment while magnifying every mistake, shortcoming, and disappointment. And he does not have the best job currently. Here's a few other Major conference coaches with lengthy tenures and similar results: Clemson is paying Brad Brownell $2.5M through 2023-24. He's finished in the top 5 of the ACC exactly twice....once in his first season with Oliver Purnell's players after he abruptly left to take the DePaul job. After making the NCAA tournament in 2017-18, Clemson finished 8th in ACC in 2018-19 and played in the NIT and is 15-15 this season an 9th in the ACC. Boston College is paying Jim Christian $1.5M - He's had one winning season in six years. He's never won more than 7 games in the ACC. He got an extension in 2018. He's 13-18 this season. Danny Manning has been at Wake Forest since 2014-15. He "made" one NCAA tournament, losing in the First Four as an 11 seed. Never had a winning record in the ACC, but did finish 9-9 in 2016-17. He's making $1.7M and reportedly his contract runs through 2024-25. Wake is 13-17 this season and 6-14 in conference. Depaul might be the best comparison to OSU. A once proud basketball school, DePaul has made the NCAA tournament once since 1991-92. Dave Leitao is five years in at DePaul and owns that lone NCAA bid (in 2002-03, during his first stint as their head coach). Five years into his second term there, he hasn't had a winning record in the Big East and is 15-16 this season and 3-15 in conference. It was announced in September that the school was in negotiations to extend his contract through 2023-24. Wilky might've said it best: Who exactly do we think we are?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 10, 2020 8:59:13 GMT -8
I think that little of either has to do with WT and are more of an indictment on the scandalous lack of support that Oregon State Men's Basketball has received since at least BDC was at the helm. I think that expectations are 7th/8th, because Tinkle put together a better team than Oregon State deserves based on financial support. And I think that he coached to expectations. Getting rid of Tinkle for finishing better than 10th is really missing the boat on how to improve the team. You improve the team by financial outlays. You improve the team by improving facilities
JFC Wilky, I think you've lost your mind. First Luke and Simonton, now this ...
Our head basketball coach makes more than $2 million a year. Our assistant coaches are paid fairly, we have ample support staff and a more than sufficient recruiting budget. There are plenty of promotions and ticket deals.
The MBB locker room was just redone. The lower bowl of the arena was completely renovated three years ago. A new scoreboard, replay boards and new lighting were added within the last two years. A $15 million practice facility is less than 10 years old. The front lobby and front plaza of Gill have been completely redone.
You can justifiably argue about WT's coaching ability. But to claim the program does not receive sufficient administrative support, and to say facilities have not been improved, is complete and utter BS. I'm starting to believe you're a duck troll.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2020 10:07:01 GMT -8
All I can say is that Wayne Tinkle must have done something right in a previous life. He may have the greatest college basketball head coaching job in the country. He gets paid $2M and poor recruiting and retention of players is basically not his fault according to you. Six years to build a program and culture and 7-11 conference record is a-OK. And if that isn't enough, let's let his team play 9 non-conference quad 4 games (more than any other in the top 90 or so NET ranked teams) -- cuz, you know, don't want to make it too difficult to get to that magic 4 games over .500 mark. While I'm not going to say Wayne Tinkle is Riley-esque, I'm mostly with Wilky on this one. If the previous coach had been 20 wins consistently and putting us in postseason play, then sure, it'd be time to fire Tinkle. But he wasn't. Neither was the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or the coach before him. Or really the coach before him. All were cut loose after six years to start anew. It hasn't worked. Some people seem to be confusing not thinking he should be fired with thinking he's the greatest coach in the world, and had he not been extended (twice) by the athletic department, then this might be a perfect time to look for a new coach. But he was extended, and we still owe him $6M+. You want to talk about the greatest job in the country? How about not having to work for three years while cashing a check for $100K every month as you wake up and say "what do I have to do today? Oh right, nothing." Instead he'll cash those checks while jack-wagons like us second guess his every move and downplay every accomplishment while magnifying every mistake, shortcoming, and disappointment. And he does not have the best job currently. Here's a few other Major conference coaches with lengthy tenures and similar results: Clemson is paying Brad Brownell $2.5M through 2023-24. He's finished in the top 5 of the ACC exactly twice....once in his first season with Oliver Purnell's players after he abruptly left to take the DePaul job. After making the NCAA tournament in 2017-18, Clemson finished 8th in ACC in 2018-19 and played in the NIT and is 15-15 this season an 9th in the ACC. Boston College is paying Jim Christian $1.5M - He's had one winning season in six years. He's never won more than 7 games in the ACC. He got an extension in 2018. He's 13-18 this season. Danny Manning has been at Wake Forest since 2014-15. He "made" one NCAA tournament, losing in the First Four as an 11 seed. Never had a winning record in the ACC, but did finish 9-9 in 2016-17. He's making $1.7M and reportedly his contract runs through 2024-25. Wake is 13-17 this season and 6-14 in conference. Depaul might be the best comparison to OSU. A once proud basketball school, DePaul has made the NCAA tournament once since 1991-92. Dave Leitao is five years in at DePaul and owns that lone NCAA bid (in 2002-03, during his first stint as their head coach). Five years into his second term there, he hasn't had a winning record in the Big East and is 15-16 this season and 3-15 in conference. It was announced in September that the school was in negotiations to extend his contract through 2023-24. Wilky might've said it best: Who exactly do we think we are? In the three years prior to this one, Brownell had led Clemson to two NITs and a sweet 16 in NCAA tourney. I must have missed the Beavers' sweet 16 run. Also, Brownell has been considered on the hot seat several times, something our fans don't feel Tinkle serves. As to conference finishes, equating ACC and Pac 12 is kind of silly. Much easier to get into top 5 in Pac 12. Also, Brownell has finished .500 or better in conference 6 of his first 10 years at Clemson -- Tinkle twice in 6. Jim Christian is considered all but out at BC. Manning is on the hot seat, but as you point out Wake's AD is dumber than OSU's and signed him to be long extension when he got them into tourney. If not for that extension, he'd likely be gone this year -- and might still be. Tinkle? Nope he's on solid footing. DePaul I'm very familiar with as I grew up in Chicago burbs and remember when the Blue Demons were very good. Leitao is a strange case. This is his second go-round with DePaul. He basically returned to DePaul as a favor to AD Jean Ponsetto when she basically couldn't get any decent coach to take the job. He's on the hot seat and if he isn't fired it will be because of his relationship with Ponsetto. So, yes you're right there are coaches who deserve to be fired. And there are coaches that are on the hot seat -- and rightfully so. But to say recruiting and retention failures are basically not Tinkle's fault is crazy. And to keep icing down his seat to keep it from getting warm let alone hot, just befuddles me. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because if you're attitude regarding wanting more than mediocrity for the men's b-ball team is "Who exactly do we think we are?" then we're just coming from two different places too far apart.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 10, 2020 10:21:51 GMT -8
I think that little of either has to do with WT and are more of an indictment on the scandalous lack of support that Oregon State Men's Basketball has received since at least BDC was at the helm. I think that expectations are 7th/8th, because Tinkle put together a better team than Oregon State deserves based on financial support. And I think that he coached to expectations. Getting rid of Tinkle for finishing better than 10th is really missing the boat on how to improve the team. You improve the team by financial outlays. You improve the team by improving facilities JFC Wilky, I think you've lost your mind. First Luke and Simonton, now this ... Our head basketball coach makes more than $2 million a year. Our assistant coaches are paid fairly, we have ample support staff and a more than sufficient recruiting budget. There are plenty of promotions and ticket deals. The MBB locker room was just redone. The lower bowl of the arena was completely renovated three years ago. A new scoreboard, replay boards and new lighting were added within the last two years. A $15 million practice facility is less than 10 years old. The front lobby and front plaza of Gill have been completely redone. You can justifiably argue about WT's coaching ability. But to claim the program does not receive sufficient administrative support, and to say facilities have not been improved, is complete and utter BS. I'm starting to believe you're a duck troll. Has to be or board troll in general. His lengthy rants get worse and weirder. He basically claim his opinions as factual evidence in many cases. And, like this completely ignored actual realities to just make crap up?! And, no matter how you challenge his post... letter from WA attorney/legal authority, stated facts/stats, etc he always comes back with BS solely based on personal bias. No longer worth responding too...
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2020 10:37:38 GMT -8
Wanting more is fine. I want to be in an NCAA tournament too.
But we've been on this "have a coach for six years and then move on" train for four or five cycles now, and it's not changing the reality. We've tried coaches at smaller schools, assistants from successful programs, up and comers, coaches with tournament runs at schools with fewer resources.....none of it has changed the landscape for OSU basketball. Tinkle has come the closest. Why not give him a few more years and see if maybe it takes more than six years to establish a lasting culture and a solid footing?
Again, I haven't seen one post on here from anyone who has said "Tinkle is THE GUY" to get us to where post-season play is the rule rather than the exception.
We have been mediocre for almost 30 years through six different coaches
We are closer to being better than mediocre under this coach than any of the previous five.
If we fire him now, we're throwing $6M into a hole. We add to that hole to hire a search firm, hire a new coach who will undoubtedly make more than what we're paying Tinkle....unless we go on the cheap. If we go on the cheap, what makes anyone anywhere confident that we will have a coach with a lower market value than the one we have right now?
I'm not attached to Tinkle...I could take him or leave him. But from where I sit, he's done more for OSU than any other basketball coach since Jimmy Anderson, and based on that, I'm not going to fire him right now. I'm not going to re-argue the examples I gave above of other coaches with similar records in similar contract situations - was merely trying to show that it's not all that uncommon for a coach at a P5 school without recent NCAA tournament success to have a coach 5-6 seasons into his tenure.
What I will say is that your additional info on DePaul adds to my point: Their AD couldn't find any decent coach to take the job. IN CHICAGO, an area well known for his local basketball talent, and at a school where Men's Basketball is the defining sport of the university. If they have trouble finding a decent coach, what makes anyone here confident OSU will have quality coaches beating down the door? I don't think we've had much luck getting our first choice of basketball coaches in previous searches.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 10, 2020 10:45:01 GMT -8
You can justifiably argue about WT's coaching ability. Which we've already proven to be slightly better than his predecessor. WT > CR Which again is like saying Toyota > Honda. This makes a lot of Beaver fans happy. Too few of us want more than a .500 record.
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