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Post by skyrider on Feb 22, 2020 11:31:19 GMT -8
I'm personally proud of the way the beavers competed against one of the top 5 teams in the country on the road. Legitimately,we have maybe 6...possibly 7 healthy Pac-12 level players who are available right now. Without Corosdale,Brown,and Mitrovic,we are very thin on the front line. That doesn't even count Aquino who may never dawn a beaver uniform. We have had some bad luck with injuries,and are on a brutal 10 game stretch. Some questioned why we didn't go out and get another recruit when we found out Mitrovic went down with her knee injury. Scott takes into account fit,character,and ability when perusing a prospect. I didn't see very many good candidates to fill the roster spot that late in the game. The locker room definitely matters... I also believe the team has done an unbelievable job given the circumstances. I also believe, however, that for them to win any PAC 12 tournament or NCAA tournament games Coach Rueck will need to be willing to think "out of the box" in terms of many of the things he normally has the team do in regards to offense. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 22, 2020 11:33:05 GMT -8
My guess on the game is that Rueck figured all of the TO's that the Beav's have had was from confusion as to who was doing what on the offense. So he simplified the offensive sets by taking out Aleah and Kat. It certainly cut down on TO's and allowed the Beav's to play as closely to Stanford as they have down there except when they won a couple years ago. Pretty amazing really.
On having Trish and TJ in at the same time. Maybe if they'd known at the beginning of the year that they would have these injury problems in the future. But future telling is an amazingly difficult art. Switching things up now would just create even more confusion among the players.
And on having a deeper bench. Comparing OSU to Stanford is absurd. They have the greatest depth in college basketball. Tara has won two national championships and her players get an education at Stanford. They have 5* players spending their entire career's sitting on the bench.
And in general the team that Rueck recruited would have AA starting ahead of TJ, and Taya starting ahead of KB. And the Beav's would be 26-1 and the top rated team in the country right now (in this dream world that doesn't exist, sort of like your dream world where SR can recruit stacks of all american's waiting on the bench to save the day). SR does what he can with the players he can recruit and who stay healthy.
And speaking of dreams. Satou, that gal they are talking of being a top three draft pick? Her stat's this year and Taya's last year are almost identical. Taya had more rebounds, assists, blocks, and a lower foul rate. While Satou scores more and has a better shooting %. And if you substitute Taya's shooting % from her freshman year, yeah Satou score's more and that's it. Would have been a really great season, that season we didn't have.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 22, 2020 11:38:43 GMT -8
In a post above this baseba1111 has written what I consider to be an insightful and informative overview of last night's game...
It begins with "Agree, and not here to defend Maddie, but..."
If you have already read it, I encourage you to read it again....The information he provides goes a long way in helping us to understand the problems the Beavs are dealing with this season - especially on offence....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by skyrider on Feb 22, 2020 11:39:03 GMT -8
My guess on the game is that Rueck figured all of the TO's that the Beav's have had was from confusion as to who was doing what on the offense. So he simplified the offensive sets by taking out Aleah and Kat. It certainly cut down on TO's and allowed the Beav's to play as closely to Stanford as they have down there except when they won a couple years ago. Pretty amazing really. On having Trish and TJ in at the same time. Maybe if they'd known at the beginning of the year that they would have these injury problems in the future. But future telling is an amazingly difficult art. Switching things up now would just create even more confusion among the players. And on having a deeper bench. Comparing OSU to Stanford is absurd. They have the greatest depth in college basketball. Tara has won two national championships and her players get an education at Stanford. They have 5* players spending their entire career's sitting on the bench. And in general the team that Rueck recruited would have AA starting ahead of TJ, and Taya starting ahead of KB. And the Beav's would be 26-1 and the top rated team in the country right now (in this dream world that doesn't exist, sort of like your dream world where SR can recruit stacks of all american's waiting on the bench to save the day). SR does what he can with the players he can recruit and who stay healthy. And speaking of dreams. Satou, that gal they are talking of being a top three draft pick? Her stat's this year and Taya's last year are almost identical. Taya had more rebounds, assists, blocks, and a lower foul rate. While Satou scores more and has a better shooting %. And if you substitute Taya's shooting % from her freshman year, yeah Satou score's more and that's it. Would have been a really great season, that season we didn't have. Excellent points! So do you think we have much of a chance to (a) win the last 3 conference games (b) win 2 or 3 games in the PAC12 tournament and (c) win more than 2 games in the NCAA tournament? |
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 22, 2020 11:39:11 GMT -8
I'm personally proud of the way the beavers competed against one of the top 5 teams in the country on the road. Legitimately,we have maybe 6...possibly 7 healthy Pac-12 level players who are available right now. Without Corosdale,Brown,and Mitrovic,we are very thin on the front line. That doesn't even count Aquino who may never dawn a beaver uniform. We have had some bad luck with injuries,and are on a brutal 10 game stretch. Some questioned why we didn't go out and get another recruit when we found out Mitrovic went down with her knee injury. Scott takes into account fit,character,and ability when persuing a prospect. I didn't see very many good candidates to fill the roster spot that late in the game. The locker room definitely matters... Even Jelena healthy doesn’t help our current issue. She’s a 5. We have 3 healthy 5s on the roster. The issue is we have no one on the roster with the size and skill set to the play the 4. Totally different skill sets in this offense. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 22, 2020 11:40:13 GMT -8
I'm personally proud of the way the beavers competed against one of the top 5 teams in the country on the road. Legitimately,we have maybe 6...possibly 7 healthy Pac-12 level players who are available right now. Without Corosdale,Brown,and Mitrovic,we are very thin on the front line. That doesn't even count Aquino who may never dawn a beaver uniform. We have had some bad luck with injuries,and are on a brutal 10 game stretch. Some questioned why we didn't go out and get another recruit when we found out Mitrovic went down with her knee injury. Scott takes into account fit,character,and ability when persuing a prospect. I didn't see very many good candidates to fill the roster spot that late in the game. The locker room definitely matters... Scott chooses not to fill the roster. He's in charge and I'm good with what he thinks. It may be a WBB thing as some of the upper tier prgrams do not seem to fill all 15, but some do when you take into account those injured or sitting out a transfer year. BUT, every great program I know of takes into account the same things as you say SR does. OSU is not some anomaly, SR not the only coach that has high standards regarding "fit, character, and ability". Hence, that is not the reasoning behind filling a roster as there are players that fit that description available, then and now. This season maybe an anomaly, but 15 schollies are there to be used. And, keeping players happy isn't a viable reason to not have them filled as if you've done your research and were honest upfront, you wouldn't have recruited locker room cancers in the first place. But, it is what Scott does. And, it works for him, until it doesn't. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 22, 2020 11:47:29 GMT -8
I think that Taylor and Trisha are our healthy 5s. I believe that Maddie and Janessa are our healthy 4s. We have two healthy bigs taller than 6'2".
Not able to play are four bigs that measure 6'9", 6'9", 6'6", and 6'3".
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 22, 2020 11:51:25 GMT -8
I'm personally proud of the way the beavers competed against one of the top 5 teams in the country on the road. Legitimately,we have maybe 6...possibly 7 healthy Pac-12 level players who are available right now. Without Corosdale,Brown,and Mitrovic,we are very thin on the front line. That doesn't even count Aquino who may never dawn a beaver uniform. We have had some bad luck with injuries,and are on a brutal 10 game stretch. Some questioned why we didn't go out and get another recruit when we found out Mitrovic went down with her knee injury. Scott takes into account fit,character,and ability when persuing a prospect. I didn't see very many good candidates to fill the roster spot that late in the game. The locker room definitely matters... Scott chooses not to fill the roster. He's in charge and I'm good with what he thinks. BUT, every great program I know of takes into account the same things as you say SR does. OSU is not some anomaly, SR not the only coach that has high standards regarding "fit, character, and ability". Hence, that is not the reasoning behind filling a roster as there are players that fit that description available, then and now. This season maybe an anomaly, but 15 schollies are there to be used. And, keeping players happy isn't a viable reason to not have them filled as if you've done your research and were honest upfront, you wouldn't have recruited locker room cancers in the first place. But, it is what Scott does. And, it works for him, until it doesn't. Baseba1111 I understand what you are saying, but if you go back to September you had 2 players, with the size and athleticism to play 40 minutes a game at the 4 if you needed them to. At worst you would figure if one of them goes down you would still have the other. I just fail to see how in September you would have looked at 4 being our biggest need to add another player. In fact, back then I would have said a 6’1 or 6’2 guard was a bigger need. Now of course, you lose both for the season, and here we are, but I don’t know a lot of teams besides Stanford that could withstand two season ending injuries to players of the same position. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 22, 2020 11:52:40 GMT -8
The Uconn bench, errr I mean the Boneyard grouses continually about how Geno can't find the 5th player to round out their starting five. Let alone a players off the bench to help the team.
Louisville loses a nobody starter for two games and they lose those two games.
I don't believe finding starters at this level is as easy as you seem to think.
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 22, 2020 11:53:49 GMT -8
I think that Taylor and Trisha are our healthy 5s. I believe that Maddie and Janessa are our healthy 4s. We have two healthy bigs taller than 6'2". Not able to play are four bigs that measure 6'9", 6'9", 6'6", and 6'3". Maddie’s a 5, just like she was all last season. We might be trying to play her at the 4, but she’s a 5. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 22, 2020 12:36:16 GMT -8
I think that Taylor and Trisha are our healthy 5s. I believe that Maddie and Janessa are our healthy 4s. We have two healthy bigs taller than 6'2". Not able to play are four bigs that measure 6'9", 6'9", 6'6", and 6'3". Maddie’s a 5, just like she was all last season. We might be trying to play her at the 4, but she’s a 5. Whether Washington is a 4 or 5, she doesn’t do enough at either spot to warrant 30-38 minutes like she’s been getting. It’s not her fault. She’s just very limited at this level on what she’s capable of doing against top level teams. Point being, putting a 6’7 player like Morris w Jones or even giving Thropay a chance to shine shouldn't make things any worse. What are we so worried about losing in the game plan if Maddie plays 20 minutes instead of 35? In the last two games she’s logged 68 minutes while producing just 8 points, 9 boards and 6 or 7 turnovers. And we barely lost both of those games. |
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Post by damnstraight on Feb 22, 2020 13:04:20 GMT -8
Last night, it appeared Maddie had gotten the word ..Do Not Put the Ball on The Floor. Her feet looked glued in place.
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 22, 2020 14:02:35 GMT -8
I'm personally proud of the way the beavers competed against one of the top 5 teams in the country on the road. Legitimately,we have maybe 6...possibly 7 healthy Pac-12 level players who are available right now. Without Corosdale,Brown,and Mitrovic,we are very thin on the front line. That doesn't even count Aquino who may never dawn a beaver uniform. We have had some bad luck with injuries,and are on a brutal 10 game stretch. Some questioned why we didn't go out and get another recruit when we found out Mitrovic went down with her knee injury. Scott takes into account fit,character,and ability when persuing a prospect. I didn't see very many good candidates to fill the roster spot that late in the game. The locker room definitely matters... Even Jelena healthy doesn’t help our current issue. She’s a 5. We have 3 healthy 5s on the roster. The issue is we have no one on the roster with the size and skill set to the play the 4. Totally different skill sets in this offense. Personally,I don't think three of the healthy players are deserving of any minutes a game,except in garbage time if Corosdale,Brown or Mitrovic was healthy. They are undersized or projects that aren't the top 8-9 on our roster if we have a full roster,not even counting Aquino. |
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Post by oldbeav on Feb 22, 2020 14:25:26 GMT -8
“you wouldn't have recruited locker room cancers in the first place.” Huh?
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Post by rafer on Feb 22, 2020 15:08:45 GMT -8
Ok, didn't see the game but clearly the team is nowhere near being competitive with the top of the PAC12, or NCAA tourney currently. Is it the injuries or the chemistry that is causing the issues. Was KB the cog that made them successful? I know, ya, they lost close, but after,(I've lost track) 5 or 6 games of losing out of, 8 games or so, I just don't see them making any noise here on out.
Is it possible to actually play our way OUT of the dance, seems like it could happen ..
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