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Post by greshambeaver on Jan 27, 2020 18:30:51 GMT -8
It took Casey quite a while, but they were not that bad in the interim and you really cannot compare baseball "IMHO" with Men's Basketball. They were not looking so pointedly at the baseball program as they were or ever would "at least before Casey's success" as they did, and will at the Men's basketball program.
Tinkle has had enough time to change the culture and the program. It's 5 years at least, I think this is number 6. Anyway time to move on!!! He is not a good coach, recruiter, or game day General. Without Tres and the Thompson's were would we be? Nowhere, which is near where we are with them.
Kelly would have flourished with a better coach, Wayne has laid waist to his talents.
O.S.U. was once upon a time Basketball Semi Royalty to a point, now Oregon State is men's Basketballs no mans land!
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2020 19:42:37 GMT -8
It took Casey quite a while, but they were not that bad in the interim and you really cannot compare baseball "IMHO" with Men's Basketball. They were not looking so pointedly at the baseball program as they were or ever would "at least before Casey's success" as they did, and will at the Men's basketball program. Tinkle has had enough time to change the culture and the program. It's 5 years at least, I think this is number 6. Anyway time to move on!!! He is not a good coach, recruiter, or game day General. Without Tres and the Thompson's were would we be? Nowhere, which is near where we are with them. Kelly would have flourished with a better coach, Wayne has laid waist to his talents. O.S.U. was once upon a time Basketball Semi Royalty to a point, now Oregon State is men's Basketballs no mans land! Even comparing PC to WT's reign is an insult to all that is OSU. Not to mention baseball and hoops success and importance in the hierarchy of athletic funding is apples to oranges.
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Post by joeavocado on Jan 28, 2020 12:57:42 GMT -8
Reason for optimism: There are a lot of historically good basketball schools having seasons as bad or worse than the Beavs, including Notre Dame, UNC, Michigan, UConn, St Johns, Georgetown, DePaul, K Sate, OK State, GA Tech, and Wake Forest.
Reason for frustration: The Beavers are 0-4 against the teams with losing records in the PAC-12. Ugh.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 28, 2020 13:15:05 GMT -8
It took Casey quite a while, but they were not that bad in the interim and you really cannot compare baseball "IMHO" with Men's Basketball. They were not looking so pointedly at the baseball program as they were or ever would "at least before Casey's success" as they did, and will at the Men's basketball program. Tinkle has had enough time to change the culture and the program. It's 5 years at least, I think this is number 6. Anyway time to move on!!! He is not a good coach, recruiter, or game day General. Without Tres and the Thompson's were would we be? Nowhere, which is near where we are with them. Kelly would have flourished with a better coach, Wayne has laid waist to his talents. O.S.U. was once upon a time Basketball Semi Royalty to a point, now Oregon State is men's Basketballs no mans land! Is that why we're "loosing"
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2020 14:48:53 GMT -8
It took Casey quite a while, but they were not that bad in the interim and you really cannot compare baseball "IMHO" with Men's Basketball. They were not looking so pointedly at the baseball program as they were or ever would "at least before Casey's success" as they did, and will at the Men's basketball program. Tinkle has had enough time to change the culture and the program. It's 5 years at least, I think this is number 6. Anyway time to move on!!! He is not a good coach, recruiter, or game day General. Without Tres and the Thompson's were would we be? Nowhere, which is near where we are with them. Kelly would have flourished with a better coach, Wayne has laid waist to his talents. O.S.U. was once upon a time Basketball Semi Royalty to a point, now Oregon State is men's Basketballs no mans land! Even comparing PC to WT's reign is an insult to all that is OSU. Not to mention baseball and hoops success and importance in the hierarchy of athletic funding is apples to oranges. I agree with the last sentence. But, having said that, it is much cheaper to go from a non-factor in baseball to a national title contender than to go from a non-factor in basketball to a national title contender. Oregon State flatly does not have the facilities to be a mediocre basketball school, much less a good or even great basketball school. The chances of finding a coach that is going to be a true upgrade over Tinkle and also with the patience to stick around and build Oregon State into a good basketball school is about one in a hundred with a great Athletic Department, and I am not holding my breath with Barnes in charge.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2020 16:58:36 GMT -8
Even comparing PC to WT's reign is an insult to all that is OSU. Not to mention baseball and hoops success and importance in the hierarchy of athletic funding is apples to oranges. I agree with the last sentence. But, having said that, it is much cheaper to go from a non-factor in baseball to a national title contender than to go from a non-factor in basketball to a national title contender. Oregon State flatly does not have the facilities to be a mediocre basketball school, much less a good or even great basketball school. The chances of finding a coach that is going to be a true upgrade over Tinkle and also with the patience to stick around and build Oregon State into a good basketball school is about one in a hundred with a great Athletic Department, and I am not holding my breath with Barnes in charge. Except... A) OSU hoops facilities are far above average. Gill is historic and I find it funny some here think it should be replaced with a modern facility. The same thing tsdtr was chastised for by many on here. Gill and it's upgrades are completely fine to house an above average hoops program. Add in the practice facility, etc it's far better than many facilities of better programs. B) NO ONE on this board or in the OSU hoops community is expecting a "national title contender". PERIOD. If someone stated as such I'd like to see that reference and then we can collectively call out the lunacy of such an expectation. Barnes, location, pay (completely false), etc, etc, etc... when are the excuses not enough? We/OSU hoops community expect a HC that can show a modicum of recruiting chops versus the upper tier Pac12 schools. A HC that after 6 years isn't still struggling implementing both an offensive and defensive identity. A HC that shows any semblance of consistently developing the talent he does get. A coach that doesn't consistently over 5+ season of postgame interviews throw players and now assistants under the bus for teams he is responsible for how they play. The "chances are" doesn't matter if what you have isn't working... and of course is based on a bias opinion and a utter lack of hope for a program. Wow... finding a good coach is tough. Really? So, then you just keep who you have? And... coaching jobs are always in flux. So, let's get this straight... 1) you don't want to search because the chances of finding better that WT is tough and; 2) finding one that is that will stick around to build a solid program because the OSU AD sux is 1/100; Your conclusion? Cuz it isn't stated. Stick with WT cuz Barnes can't be trusted to hire? Or the right hire won't stay? Cuz we can't do better? Cuz WT will turn it around? The last question then actually begs the question... if the AD is so bad and WT does turn the program into a regular postseason participant, he is sticking around?
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 29, 2020 17:10:05 GMT -8
Don't care how but sooner than later WT has to go. WT seems to be a nice guy but if I wanted a nice guy as a coach then my grandfather should be the coach. We are in the sixth year and I look at the team and I don't see a future. Who is replacing Tres, Kelley, and yes Ethan.
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Post by billsaab on Jan 29, 2020 18:02:43 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2020 18:39:59 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. It actually is a contributing building to a National Historic District... defending it or not.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 29, 2020 19:03:19 GMT -8
The problem with gill being historic is that you can't even Put a fricking event signage on the building.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 29, 2020 20:15:50 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 29, 2020 20:26:21 GMT -8
Eventually Gill will have to be replaced. When is the only question. For programs like uo and OSU having a state of the art facility shows recruits and coaches that you are taking basketball seriously. From what I have heard the deciding factor in convincing Altman to come to uo was they showed him the plans on the new arena/facilities. I don't believe they would be on the run they are now on (7 out of 8 NCAA tourney appearances with an elite 8 and final 4) without the new arena.
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Post by rafer on Jan 29, 2020 21:08:15 GMT -8
Eventually Gill will have to be replaced. When is the only question. For programs like uo and OSU having a state of the art facility shows recruits and coaches that you are taking basketball seriously. From what I have heard the deciding factor in convincing Altman to come to uo was they showed him the plans on the new arena/facilities. I don't believe they would be on the run they are now on (7 out of 8 NCAA tourney appearances with an elite 8 and final 4) without the new arena. We are not Nike, nor will we be anytime soon. We don't have a golden child to sponsor anything our heart decides would make us happy. So, there's that...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 29, 2020 22:58:18 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. The most historic sporting venue in Oregon is Providence Park. As I understand it, the cornerstone for Providence Park was laid by Teddy Roosevelt. Taft spoke there in 1909. Harding spoke there on his famed Voyage of Understanding on the Fourth of July in 1923. Less than a month later, after becoming the first sitting president to visit both Alaska (94 degrees in Fairbanks!) and Canada, he died of an apparent heart attack (his wife refused to allow an autopsy, and doctors were bad back then) in San Francisco on August 2, 1923, age 57. I know Reagan visited Parker Stadium and spoke at the Chiles Center, but I do not know that he visited Gill Coliseum.
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Post by texasbeaver on Jan 30, 2020 4:32:52 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. Jesse Jackson had a campaign rally in gill (1988?). I do not know about any other presidential candidates.
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