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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2020 9:05:01 GMT -8
Seems to me few if any kids these days would be wowed by Gill as far is using it as a recruiting tool. Defending not building a new facility because Gill is "historic"is sort of like defending replacing the Van Buren bridge because it is "historic". The Van Buren bridge clearly doesn't meet today's traffic needs. Whether or not Gill meets today's needs, I do not know, but I think just because it hosted some big names in the past sounds like a shaky argument to me.
Times change, some of the events mentioned having been hosted in Gill haven't happened again in the last 20/30/40 years or more. I wouldn't go changing it for the sake of change, but is it really adequate for today's and tomorrow's needs? Is the building a recruiting issue, and is replacing it a recruiting benefit, or are there other ways of spending less money that would be of bigger positive effect, both in recruiting and meeting the university's needs, than replacing the building? That's what should be addressed, take "historic" out of the picture, I highly doubt that is was brings kids to our program.
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Post by damnstraight on Jan 30, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -8
For the record, Bobby Kennedy made a campaign speech in Gill one week before he was assassinated in Los Angeles. He lost the Oregon primary to Eugene McCarthy, his only primary election loss.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 30, 2020 9:24:44 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. At the risk of venturing too much into non-sports stuff: Gill also hosted The Grateful Dead - WITH Ron 'Pigpen' McKernan still among the living.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 30, 2020 9:33:22 GMT -8
Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. At the risk of venturing too much into non-sports stuff: Gill also hosted The Grateful Dead - WITH Ron 'Pigpen' McKernan still among the living. Don't forget Bill Cosby.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 30, 2020 9:45:21 GMT -8
Seems to me few if any kids these days would be wowed by Gill as far is using it as a recruiting tool. Defending not building a new facility because Gill is "historic"is sort of like defending replacing the Van Buren bridge because it is "historic". The Van Buren bridge clearly doesn't meet today's traffic needs. Whether or not Gill meets today's needs, I do not know, but I think just because it hosted some big names in the past sounds like a shaky argument to me. Times change, some of the events mentioned having been hosted in Gill haven't happened again in the last 20/30/40 years or more. I wouldn't go changing it for the sake of change, but is it really adequate for today's and tomorrow's needs? Is the building a recruiting issue, and is replacing it a recruiting benefit, or are there other ways of spending less money that would be of bigger positive effect, both in recruiting and meeting the university's needs, than replacing the building? That's what should be addressed, take "historic" out of the picture, I highly doubt that is was brings kids to our program. I did not say Gill would wow recruits, etc. I merely said that it is the most historic athletic venue in the state of Oregon. It has hosted numerous events of national consequence in basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, entertainment and politics over its many years of service. And it's still a pretty darned nice place to watch college basketball, with excellent sightlines from almost every seat. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park, ITOH, has primarily served as the home of a now-defunct minor-league baseball franchise, a third-level soccer league, several minor-league professional football franchises that failed miserably, and second-level college football program for the majority of its existence.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 30, 2020 13:38:06 GMT -8
Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. Jesse Jackson had a campaign rally in gill (1988?). I do not know about any other presidential candidates. 1988 is correct. He lost the Oregon primary to Dukakis and, ultimately, the nomination
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 30, 2020 13:52:23 GMT -8
For the record, Bobby Kennedy made a campaign speech in Gill one week before he was assassinated in Los Angeles. He lost the Oregon primary to Eugene McCarthy, his only primary election loss. Bobby Kennedy did speak at Gill in 1968.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 30, 2020 14:04:45 GMT -8
Gill is not Historic. Just because some will defend it does not explain the mess we are in. Coaching, Facilities, Leadership,Objectives, and the Fan Base. All of this and we tell ourselves how it will get better. Uh, it has hosted tons of men's and women's NCAA games, an NCAA wrestling championship tournament, several NCAA gymnastics national championship meets, USF and NCSU started their NCAA title drives there, numerous No. 1 NBA draft choices, NCAA wrestling and gymnastics individual champions competed there, NCAA champions UCLA, Cal and Arizona played there, hundreds of OSAA state-tournament games played there, almost 50 years of OSU graduations, the Doors, Simon & Garfunkle, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Garth Brooks and numerous other major entertainers performed there, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more, probably some presidents and presidential candidates spoke there too ... it's the most historic sporting venue in the state. Willie Nelson! While doing a touching a capella version of "Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground", a guy we were with stood up and yelled through the silence "Snort Coke, Willie!" Class act, Callahan...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 30, 2020 14:32:00 GMT -8
Seems to me few if any kids these days would be wowed by Gill as far is using it as a recruiting tool. Defending not building a new facility because Gill is "historic"is sort of like defending replacing the Van Buren bridge because it is "historic". The Van Buren bridge clearly doesn't meet today's traffic needs. Whether or not Gill meets today's needs, I do not know, but I think just because it hosted some big names in the past sounds like a shaky argument to me. Times change, some of the events mentioned having been hosted in Gill haven't happened again in the last 20/30/40 years or more. I wouldn't go changing it for the sake of change, but is it really adequate for today's and tomorrow's needs? Is the building a recruiting issue, and is replacing it a recruiting benefit, or are there other ways of spending less money that would be of bigger positive effect, both in recruiting and meeting the university's needs, than replacing the building? That's what should be addressed, take "historic" out of the picture, I highly doubt that is was brings kids to our program. I did not say Gill would wow recruits, etc. I merely said that it is the most historic athletic venue in the state of Oregon. It has hosted numerous events of national consequence in basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, entertainment and politics over its many years of service. And it's still a pretty darned nice place to watch college basketball, with excellent sightlines from almost every seat. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park, ITOH, has primarily served as the home of a now-defunct minor-league baseball franchise, a third-level soccer league, several minor-league professional football franchises that failed miserably, and second-level college football program for the majority of its existence. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park served as a first-level soccer league. It also was Oregon State's home away from home. Prior to the construction of Parker Stadium, it was the premier football stadium in the State of Oregon. It hosted the Civil War seven times, and Oregon State played there an additional 94 times. Those games include the 1933 Ironmen Game against two-time defending national champion USC and the Pyramid Play Game against Oregon. Oregon State won two games in Portland en route to the 1942 Rose Bowl, including a 9-6 win over Washington that featured Jack Yoshihara forcing a missed Washington extra point. Oregon State beat Nebraska in Portland 28-12 en route to a 47-27 1949 Pineapple Bowl victory over Hawai'i. Oregon State beat #8 Michigan State 25-20 in Portland in 1949, the Beavers first win over a AP ranked team (the AP rankings beginning in 1936) in the State of Oregon. (The other wins were in Durham and Seattle.) Oregon State would not beat another top 10 team until 1960 and would not win another game in the State of Oregon against a top 10 team until 1967. Oregon State beat Washington 28-20 in Portland en route to the 1957 Rose Bowl. Oregon State played a memorable game against Syracuse in 1961, featuring the 1961 (Ernie Davis) and 1962 (Terry Baker) Heisman winners. Oregon State beat Iowa State 39-35 on a last minute touchdown in 1962. Oregon State played the Columbus Day Storm Game against Washington that same year in Portland. Oregon State also trounced #19 West Virginia 51-22 in Portland. The three games were a big reason that Terry Baker won the Heisman Trophy at season's end. Oregon State beat Washington 9-7 in 1964 in Portland en route to the 1965 Rose Bowl. Oregon State beat Arizona 31-12 in Portland in the two schools' first-ever meeting. Oregon State's 1967 Giant Killer campaign began in Portland with a 13-7 win over Stanford. Oregon State snapped Arizona State's 21-game winning streak in Portland in 1971. The Beavers joined Notre Dame as the only two teams that had snapped three or more 21+ game winning streaks in their history. (The 1914 tie against Washington and the 1933 Ironmen Game tie being the other two for Oregon State.) Miami has since joined the pair. Oregon State's last win in Portland was 23-20 over California in 1985 on a last-second field goal.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 30, 2020 14:57:12 GMT -8
I did not say Gill would wow recruits, etc. I merely said that it is the most historic athletic venue in the state of Oregon. It has hosted numerous events of national consequence in basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, entertainment and politics over its many years of service. And it's still a pretty darned nice place to watch college basketball, with excellent sightlines from almost every seat. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park, ITOH, has primarily served as the home of a now-defunct minor-league baseball franchise, a third-level soccer league, several minor-league professional football franchises that failed miserably, and second-level college football program for the majority of its existence. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park served as a first-level soccer league.It also was Oregon State's home away from home. Prior to the construction of Parker Stadium, it was the premier football stadium in the State of Oregon. It hosted the Civil War seven times, and Oregon State played there an additional 94 times. Those games include the 1933 Ironmen Game against two-time defending national champion USC and the Pyramid Play Game against Oregon. Oregon State won two games in Portland en route to the 1942 Rose Bowl, including a 9-6 win over Washington that featured Jack Yoshihara forcing a missed Washington extra point. Oregon State beat Nebraska in Portland 28-12 en route to a 47-27 1949 Pineapple Bowl victory over Hawai'i. Oregon State beat #8 Michigan State 25-20 in Portland in 1949, the Beavers first win over a AP ranked team (the AP rankings beginning in 1936) in the State of Oregon. (The other wins were in Durham and Seattle.) Oregon State would not beat another top 10 team until 1960 and would not win another game in the State of Oregon against a top 10 team until 1967. Oregon State beat Washington 28-20 in Portland en route to the 1957 Rose Bowl. Oregon State played a memorable game against Syracuse in 1961, featuring the 1961 (Ernie Davis) and 1962 (Terry Baker) Heisman winners. Oregon State beat Iowa State 39-35 on a last minute touchdown in 1962. Oregon State played the Columbus Day Storm Game against Washington that same year in Portland. Oregon State also trounced #19 West Virginia 51-22 in Portland. The three games were a big reason that Terry Baker won the Heisman Trophy at season's end. Oregon State beat Washington 9-7 in 1964 in Portland en route to the 1965 Rose Bowl. Oregon State beat Arizona 31-12 in Portland in the two schools' first-ever meeting. Oregon State's 1967 Giant Killer campaign began in Portland with a 13-7 win over Stanford. Oregon State snapped Arizona State's 21-game winning streak in Portland in 1971. The Beavers joined Notre Dame as the only two teams that had snapped three or more 21+ game winning streaks in their history. (The 1914 tie against Washington and the 1933 Ironmen Game tie being the other two for Oregon State.) Miami has since joined the pair. Oregon State's last win in Portland was 23-20 over California in 1985 on a last-second field goal. MLS is not even close to a "first-level" soccer league.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 30, 2020 16:47:46 GMT -8
I did not say Gill would wow recruits, etc. I merely said that it is the most historic athletic venue in the state of Oregon. It has hosted numerous events of national consequence in basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, entertainment and politics over its many years of service. And it's still a pretty darned nice place to watch college basketball, with excellent sightlines from almost every seat. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park, ITOH, has primarily served as the home of a now-defunct minor-league baseball franchise, a third-level soccer league, several minor-league professional football franchises that failed miserably, and second-level college football program for the majority of its existence. Multnomah Stadium/Civic Stadium/PGE Park/Providence Park served as a first-level soccer league.It also was Oregon State's home away from home. Prior to the construction of Parker Stadium, it was the premier football stadium in the State of Oregon. It hosted the Civil War seven times, and Oregon State played there an additional 94 times. Those games include the 1933 Ironmen Game against two-time defending national champion USC and the Pyramid Play Game against Oregon. Oregon State won two games in Portland en route to the 1942 Rose Bowl, including a 9-6 win over Washington that featured Jack Yoshihara forcing a missed Washington extra point. Oregon State beat Nebraska in Portland 28-12 en route to a 47-27 1949 Pineapple Bowl victory over Hawai'i. Oregon State beat #8 Michigan State 25-20 in Portland in 1949, the Beavers first win over a AP ranked team (the AP rankings beginning in 1936) in the State of Oregon. (The other wins were in Durham and Seattle.) Oregon State would not beat another top 10 team until 1960 and would not win another game in the State of Oregon against a top 10 team until 1967. Oregon State beat Washington 28-20 in Portland en route to the 1957 Rose Bowl. Oregon State played a memorable game against Syracuse in 1961, featuring the 1961 (Ernie Davis) and 1962 (Terry Baker) Heisman winners. Oregon State beat Iowa State 39-35 on a last minute touchdown in 1962. Oregon State played the Columbus Day Storm Game against Washington that same year in Portland. Oregon State also trounced #19 West Virginia 51-22 in Portland. The three games were a big reason that Terry Baker won the Heisman Trophy at season's end. Oregon State beat Washington 9-7 in 1964 in Portland en route to the 1965 Rose Bowl. Oregon State beat Arizona 31-12 in Portland in the two schools' first-ever meeting. Oregon State's 1967 Giant Killer campaign began in Portland with a 13-7 win over Stanford. Oregon State snapped Arizona State's 21-game winning streak in Portland in 1971. The Beavers joined Notre Dame as the only two teams that had snapped three or more 21+ game winning streaks in their history. (The 1914 tie against Washington and the 1933 Ironmen Game tie being the other two for Oregon State.) Miami has since joined the pair. Oregon State's last win in Portland was 23-20 over California in 1985 on a last-second field goal. MLS is the soccer equivalent of the Texas League.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 30, 2020 16:51:31 GMT -8
Don't forget the NASL!
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Post by pabeaver on Jan 30, 2020 17:36:06 GMT -8
I hate labeling sporting venues as historic, but if I was to list one for the state of Oregon, it would be the Memorial Coliseum. NBA championship and way more first rate concerts than Gill. Plus two war memorials, so that would be a lot of historic right there.
Probably a lot of other stuff too, but I’m not going to look it up.
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Post by blackandorange on Jan 30, 2020 22:46:38 GMT -8
Jesus Christ Superstar, Howard Jones, Huey Lewis and the news, Bob Hope, Kenny Loggins, Chuck Mangione…
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 31, 2020 1:45:42 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity, when is the last time Gill had a big name concert?
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