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Post by skyrider on Jan 24, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -8
Even as a die hard Beaver fan, it is hard to ignore some factual information that would indicate the Beavers are likely to be hammered in one and perhaps both of these upcoming games with the "ucks". Results with common opponents (USA Team, Arizona, and Standford) seem to show a wide gap between OSU and the "ucks". Also the Ducks are starting three players that are likely to go within the first five picks of the WNBA draft this year.
What reasons, thoughts, etc. do my fellow forum members have to give me hope that I am being overly pessimistic.
Also it would appear that the "ucks" recruiting seems to be getting better and better each year.
What opinions do the forum members have on our future ability to recruit on an equal level or better with the "ucks".
Go Beavers!
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Post by green85 on Jan 24, 2020 11:31:51 GMT -8
Even as a die hard Beaver fan, it is hard to ignore some factual information that would indicate the Beavers are likely to be hammered in one and perhaps both of these upcoming games with the "ucks". Results with common opponents (USA Team, Arizona, and Standford) seem to show a wide gap between OSU and the "ucks". Also the Ducks are starting three players that are likely to go within the first five picks of the WNBA draft this year.
What reasons, thoughts, etc. do my fellow forum members have to give me hope that I am being overly pessimistic.
Also it would appear that the "ucks" recruiting seems to be getting better and better each year.
What opinions do the forum members have on our future ability to recruit on an equal level or better with the "ucks".
Go Beavers!
OSU has quality players on the roster now. Rueck is a GREAT coach. Pivec plays basketball with a passion and drive to win that elevates her team. AND she is one heck of a player that can score from almost anywhere. AND if there is a rebound to be grabbed you will see her trying to grab it. Aleah Goodman and Kat Tudor are both sharp shooters that can light it up from 3 (they have struggled a bit recently, but can go off at any moment). Basketball is a team sport built on momentum, passion and execution. OSU is a good enough to beat ANY team. All of that contributes to on-going success by Rueck to recruit players to a winning OSU program.
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Post by skyrider on Jan 24, 2020 11:35:39 GMT -8
Thank you for the prompt and well-thought out response.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Jan 24, 2020 11:36:14 GMT -8
We have a system and recruit to it. We develop talent. Show me the rankings of the starting 5 players that made the final 4. Pretty sure there is not 1 McDonalds all-American on it. Common opponents make me laugh in basketball. There are so many more factors. If we play a great game we can win. If we play bad and they play great we get smoked.
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Post by skyrider on Jan 24, 2020 11:39:11 GMT -8
Thanks for the input. I differ with you to some extent in the common opponent view. I do think the fact that the "ucks" were able to defeat Team USA is quite significant.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 11:41:27 GMT -8
Even as a die hard Beaver fan, it is hard to ignore some factual information that would indicate the Beavers are likely to be hammered in one and perhaps both of these upcoming games with the "ucks". Results with common opponents (USA Team, Arizona, and Standford) seem to show a wide gap between OSU and the "ucks". Also the Ducks are starting three players that are likely to go within the first five picks of the WNBA draft this year.
What reasons, thoughts, etc. do my fellow forum members have to give me hope that I am being overly pessimistic.
Also it would appear that the "ucks" recruiting seems to be getting better and better each year.
What opinions do the forum members have on our future ability to recruit on an equal level or better with the "ucks".
Go Beavers!
Personally do not put much credence into recruiting rankings. I am more performance based in my assessments. In other words, who cares what some recruiting service says, how did the recruit(s) actually turn out/play! In those terms I see SR and KG being very close in recruiting... as taking players and developing them in terms of what a coach wants within his system is the only thing that matters. Recruiting rankings... transfers out... outside noise be damned. Which players are in the program and how are they performing? I do think that KG has the edge this year as I think the ucks are more talented in terms of how they play their style. I think they are a bit deeper in terms of getting key contributions. But, it is not a huge gap. Anytime a team counts on two Frosh starters the inexperience playing against Pac12 level competition is going to be a factor. OSU's three-point offense isn't as effective because teams just do not respect the inside game. OSU shooter are in a rush as they are being crowded at the three point line and spacing isn't as good as it normally is. uck's incoming recruiting class for 2020 is "rated" very high, BUT until they actually have to play vs high level competition without an experienced floor leader(s) it is all a crap shoot. In the end it is about making shots and the other team missing them. It is why you play the game and the "paper" doesn't matter... not to the players anyway. The negativity about these two games from Beaver faithful is based on poor shooting. It can disappear if OSU shoots anywhere near what they typically do. My opinion isn't really negative. I just see this as the best team ucks will ever assemble vs a OSU team struggling with an overall inexperienced group. Two starting Frosh and really only one sub with any big time experience/history of consistent contribution. I think Graves (and others the rest of the season) will be physical in closing down the 3 pt line and make the inexperienced players be the ones to beat them. That said... I think MP, DS are carrying too much of the overall load trying to make up for the slack in others shooting the ball. Aleah and Kat are pressing... each has shown more negative body language this season than I've seen in all their play here. The Furd start was nice, but worrisome as SR teams are even keel throughout and I saw the emotion of players go too sky high as if they were relieved to finally see shots falling versus a quiet confidence that they'd been here done that. Obviously the Beavers need shots to fall, but they need an even keeled, methodical approach. This team is workmanlike, not all glory and gushing high fives 5 minutes into the 1st quarter. OSU can win. Why? Cuz they've done it before. And, that is the key... play within yourself, trust each other... been here, done this!
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 24, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -8
Thanks for the input. I differ with you to some extent in the common opponent view. I do think the fact that the "ucks" were able to defeat Team USA is quite significant. They also lost to ASU and Louisville, and Aj'a Wilson didn't play in the game vs the Ducks. IMO also quite significant. And honestly, I think U of O has a higher floor this year, better bench, etc, but a lower ceiling. I think Moore is a downgrade from Cazorla. They are still good, but not as dangerous in their starting 5. They like to try and turn people over and that lets them really boat race folks, but if you can take care of the ball and make SI have to score, they are beatable. Doesn't mean we can't get smoked, especially if we have big scoring droughts. Regardless, enjoy the game, 2 teams in the top 10 with sold out crowds is fun.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 24, 2020 12:18:40 GMT -8
Making SI have to score really worked out well for Stanford. She scored a career high and 'Furd got smoked.
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 24, 2020 12:25:06 GMT -8
Making SI have to score really worked out well for Stanford. She scored a career high and 'Furd got smoked. They did, but I still think forcing her to score is a better option then letting her get everyone else involved. She's more dangerous as a passer than a scorer IMO. Doesn't mean she's a bad scorer, it's just the best of bad options defensively. If you can totally take it out of her hands, and force Moore to be the scorer and play maker that would be best, but I don't know if we have the defensive ability to do it.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 24, 2020 12:42:33 GMT -8
If Ionescu shoots 9/25 again from the field like she did the last time the two teams played, I like our chances. It will be very important to keep her off the free throw line, especially in Eugene where she typically benefits from the borderline contact calls.
Ionescu rarely gets into foul trouble, a testament to her basketball IQ and the fact that she is protected in their defensive schemes. If you see her isolated against Pivec or Slocum tonight, that likely won't happen often.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 24, 2020 12:53:29 GMT -8
Making SI have to score really worked out well for Stanford. She scored a career high and 'Furd got smoked. They did, but I still think forcing her to score is a better option then letting her get everyone else involved. She's more dangerous as a passer than a scorer IMO. Doesn't mean she's a bad scorer, it's just the best of bad options defensively. If you can totally take it out of her hands, and force Moore to be the scorer and play maker that would be best, but I don't know if we have the defensive ability to do it. I get your point. If she's scoring but not efficiently, it's a win for the D. When she's on fire like against Stanford, I don't see how that's a good thing. I seem to recall she torched Mississippi St. in the Regional Final last year too. Sabally can create her own shots. Hebard pretty much lives off the pick and roll. Moore is pretty good at setting up Hebard as well.
Moore is a bit perplexing to me. She was a dangerous scorer for USC last year. She hasn't been very good offensively for the Ducks this season.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 24, 2020 13:03:29 GMT -8
I expect one game could get away, and another will be very close. I would be very surprised if it's two blowouts.
The problem for OSU is the scoring droughts. UO has too much offense to have similar droughts, OSU will need to find more offense then they have to keep up. They generally have stepped up vs. better competition, so it may happen. But I do not expect OSU to be able struggling on offense and relying on lock-down defense to stay in the games this weekend.
I did like seeing Slocum generally step up vs. Stanford, and we need her to continue doing that when we otherwise can't find a bucket. But much better if we get back to our ability for everybody to contribute efficiently.
Also, I think everybody within the program knew this team was not playing Top 5, maybe even Top 10 ball for much of the season... the problem was that nobody else was either. However, other teams are rounding into shape better now and OSU is still finding it's footing... so I see it as less of being overhyped, but rather just trending relatively down.
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Post by 411500 on Jan 24, 2020 13:21:19 GMT -8
I think the Beavs are in for a long weekend......The Ducks have a great home advantage, and they've got talent. The Beavs, no matter how you slice it, have had a tough go of things the past 3 games. Opposing coaches have figured out that they can over-press our 3-point shooters without paying a price. In my view, Goodman & Tudor are not in a true shooting slump, they are just learning that it's really hard make a shot with a defensive player in your jersey..They are both square up shooters who have great trouble shaking their check....Until this is corrected the so-called "slump" will last the entire season against the good teams in the Pac. The Beaver D is performing better than the O right now, so that's very encouraging...
Tonight I see the Beavs losing by 16 - 22 points.....Sunday by 6 - 12.... Hope I'm wrong. GO BEAVS !!
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 24, 2020 13:30:32 GMT -8
So teams weren't playing D on the perimeter against Tudor and Goodman the previous 2-3 years? Really?
I don't see any way to spin it other than both are in a slump. You're gonna have a defender in your area w/ a hand in your face sometimes. You still gotta hit shots. Not to mention I'm certain I've seen both miss plenty of open looks.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 24, 2020 13:55:12 GMT -8
So teams weren't playing D on the perimeter against Tudor and Goodman the previous 2-3 years? Really? I don't see any way to spin it other than both are in a slump. You're gonna have a defender in your area w/ a hand in your face sometimes. You still gotta hit shots. Not to mention I'm certain I've seen both miss plenty of open looks. It is the wide open threes that we have been missing that are the most frustrating for career three-point shooters in Tudor and Goodman who were above 41% heading into this season. Very few women in college basketball elevate on their threes and shoot over their defenders. Some women have step back three-point shots, like Ionescu and Goodman, but most of the three-point shots are open set shots. The Beavs' four primary three-point shooters need to knock them down at 40%+ tonight to keep us in the game.
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