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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 24, 2020 14:14:38 GMT -8
Thanks for the input. I differ with you to some extent in the common opponent view. I do think the fact that the "ucks" were able to defeat Team USA is quite significant. I think the fact that one of the best female bigs in the world, A'ja Wilson, did not play in that game is quite significant, too. |
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Post by beaversrock on Jan 24, 2020 14:29:25 GMT -8
So then you would agree that Hebard the three time all Pac 12 post playing less than half the game in Corvallis last was a significant reason the ducks won a close game?
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Post by 411500 on Jan 24, 2020 14:33:09 GMT -8
"So teams weren't playing D on the perimeter against Tudor and Goodman the previous 2-3 years? Really?"
I think you understand the game better than to write something like this.
I'm not saying they faced no D....I'm saying that opposing coaches have significantly upped their defensive intensity on the perimeter shooters; these defenses are "cheating" tight to the shooter (very tight) leaving no space for a square-up release...
The reason most coaches do not use this tactic is that it allows the offensive player to blow by you - if she can. Thus far Aleah & Kat can't. Until they do, Kat & Aleah will have to contend with "cheat" pressure defenses....
To my way of thinking a "shooting slump" implies that the problem is essentially a problem with the shooter, and with practice, time it will be corrected. (Come out of the slump)...
What Aleah & Kat are going thru right now is not a slump - it is their inability to make shots under greater defensive pressure than they have encountered in the past.....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 24, 2020 14:56:25 GMT -8
So then you would agree that Hebard the three time all Pac 12 post playing less than half the game in Corvallis last was a significant reason the ducks won a close game? It was certainly helpful to not have to face Hebard for the entire second half. If I reminder correctly, the Beavs led by 7 points in the second quarter when Hebard left the game. The Ducks tied it up in the fourth quarter before the Beavs ended it winning by 5. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 24, 2020 15:12:57 GMT -8
"So teams weren't playing D on the perimeter against Tudor and Goodman the previous 2-3 years? Really?" I think you understand the game better than to write something like this. I'm not saying they faced no D....I'm saying that opposing coaches have significantly upped their defensive intensity on the perimeter shooters; these defenses are "cheating" tight to the shooter (very tight) leaving no space for a square-up release... The reason most coaches do not use this tactic is that it allows the offensive player to blow by you - if she can. Thus far Aleah & Kat can't. Until they do, Kat & Aleah will have to contend with "cheat" pressure defenses.... To my way of thinking a "shooting slump" implies that the problem is essentially a problem with the shooter, and with practice, time it will be corrected. (Come out of the slump)... What Aleah & Kat are going thru right now is not a slump - it is their inability to make shots under greater defensive pressure than they have encountered in the past..... GO BEAVS !! Are you really suggesting teams where more worried about our interior scoring last year? I think this team is much more ready to score on the inside than last years team, Jones is much, much better offensively than Grymek. |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 24, 2020 15:23:41 GMT -8
"So teams weren't playing D on the perimeter against Tudor and Goodman the previous 2-3 years? Really?" I think you understand the game better than to write something like this. I'm not saying they faced no D....I'm saying that opposing coaches have significantly upped their defensive intensity on the perimeter shooters; these defenses are "cheating" tight to the shooter (very tight) leaving no space for a square-up release... The reason most coaches do not use this tactic is that it allows the offensive player to blow by you - if she can. Thus far Aleah & Kat can't. Until they do, Kat & Aleah will have to contend with "cheat" pressure defenses.... To my way of thinking a "shooting slump" implies that the problem is essentially a problem with the shooter, and with practice, time it will be corrected. (Come out of the slump)... What Aleah & Kat are going thru right now is not a slump - it is their inability to make shots under greater defensive pressure than they have encountered in the past..... GO BEAVS !! It really is a combination of both. But, Aleah and Kat have missed far more shots than previous years, when they were not under severe defensive pressure (i.e., defender rushing at you, hand in your face, etc.). Both also are face guarded whenever possible, and, denied the ball even before. But, they both have missed too many wide open shots vs previous years. I expected that from Kat, given her time away from competitive ball. Aleah is the mystery. I believe Coach Rueck, has to have some part of the game where Aleah is not at the point, coming off screens, etc. Aleah also needs to step inside the 3-point line more often and settle for 2's. It doesn't always have to be a 3-pointer. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 24, 2020 15:32:16 GMT -8
Yeah, probably blow-out by 60+ down there and 40+ at Gill.
Back to the "mediocre middle" from then on, no doubt.
Tell me again why we're even playing this weekend. Scarcasm aside, I think we get beat up this weekend, by 20+, and as a bonafide duck hater it chokes me!!! GGGGAAAGGGG. Hope to hell im wrong... |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 24, 2020 16:12:07 GMT -8
Kat was improving at driving before her injury, it's understandable it's not really in her repertoire currently. I recall Aleah being much improved at driving last year. She has taken a giant step backward in that regard. I can't figure out what's going on with her.
edited--I watched Utah today, Provo looked awful. She had an ACL injury the exact same day Tudor did last season. She is completely ineffective at this point. Really OT now, but Brynna Maxwell is my really big dark horse candidate for Pac 12 FOY, she looks terrific. 24 and 28 points in her last 2 games on 19-26 shooting, almost entirely from the perimeter. Now that is a player who is clearly NOT in a shooting slump. 9-13 on 3's.
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Post by willtalk on Jan 24, 2020 16:26:12 GMT -8
Kat is in a slump. Her quick release always allowed her to get her shot off under close pressure. Being closely guarded never effected her percentage before. If the guard is too close she just doesn't shoot. That is why she draws so many fouls shooting three's. I believe baseball's perspective is just a first step to negate what I stated about her being an elite quick release catch and shoot player.
Goodwin's problem might be related to two issues. One she played 3x3 all offseason and in the past seasons she did not start but came in in relief of either Mik of Destiny. I don't think she plays that well with both of them on the floor. She needs the ball in her hand to help create offensive flow. She is having the same problem McWilliams had last season. With Mik and Destiny on the floor together they pretty much dominate the ball. I think playing 3x3 affected her ability to set up her teammates in a 5x5 game. That was what she always was good at. She was more effective in the natural flow of the game with the ball in her hands.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 24, 2020 16:56:11 GMT -8
So then you would agree that Hebard the three time all Pac 12 post playing less than half the game in Corvallis last was a significant reason the ducks won a close game? We were controlling the game when Hebard left. And she is not a two-time WNBA all-star, a WNBA Rookie of the Year, a two-time FIBA World Cup champion and one of the top three female bigs in the entire world. No Beaver fan calls Hebard "Ruthy," as you do on previous posts. Why does a duck fan such as yourself feel the need to appropriate a Beaver alias, and infest any thread? At least Green85 admits he's a duck fan. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 24, 2020 17:08:37 GMT -8
Kat is in a slump. Her quick release always allowed her to get her shot off under close pressure. Being closely guarded never effected her percentage before. If the guard is too close she just doesn't shoot. That is why she draws so many fouls shooting three's. I believe baseball's perspective is just a first step to negate what I stated about her being an elite quick release catch and shoot player. Goodwin's problem might be related to two issues. One she played 3x3 all offseason and in the past seasons she did not start but came in in relief of either Mik of Destiny. I don't think she plays that well with both of them on the floor. She needs the ball in her hand to help create offensive flow. She is having the same problem McWilliams had last season. With Mik and Destiny on the floor together they pretty much dominate the ball. I think playing 3x3 affected her ability to set up her teammates in a 5x5 game. That was what she always was good at. She was more effective in the natural flow of the game with the ball in her hands. I agree with much of what willtalk writes above. One exception is the issue of being "ball dominant" when certain players are on the court. I firmly believe that Slocum needs to be the primary ballhandler whenever Goodman and Slocum are on the court together. Slocum can create separation. Goodman tends to over dribble and run down the shot clock. The balls moves more quickly when Slocum or Pivec are handling the ball. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 24, 2020 17:41:25 GMT -8
If two of the veteran Beav guards have a good game I think they will win. The awesomeness that is supposed to be the Ducks hasn't struck me yet this season.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 24, 2020 17:53:03 GMT -8
Watching ASU @ UA as a precursor might be a mistake. Devils just make everything SO UGLY. Leading 23-20 at half. They just irritate me every time I watch them. Go cats.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 24, 2020 18:07:02 GMT -8
If two of the veteran Beav guards have a good game I think they will win. The awesomeness that is supposed to be the Ducks hasn't struck me yet this season. I'd say it'll take more than two Beavers. Who knows how ucks will play? Maybe they're overly pumped? But, it'll take (4) Beavers in double digits to make this a game. Have (3) near it, with some D... they can win. But, two with 20 and no one else in doubles isn't going to cut it. IMHO |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 24, 2020 18:08:30 GMT -8
Watching ASU @ UA as a precursor might be a mistake. Devils just make everything SO UGLY. Leading 23-20 at half. They just irritate me every time I watch them. Go cats. Yep. Watch how they double. Watch how they screen. The refs are placed in a difficult decision determining what to call and what to let go. CTT wants an explanation every time a call goes against ASU. |
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