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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 21, 2020 13:02:52 GMT -8
Football? We all live in this glass house. Quit throwing stones!
Actually, we don't. When we've gone to bowl games, we generally win. 6-2 under Riley, 7-4 since 1999, with a major bowl-game win.
Northwestern has one of the WORST bowl-game records in FBS history, 4-10 over a corresponding period, with a nine-game bowl losing streak from 1995-2011.
Really don't care about all the school to school comparisons as it's not valid.
The person I was responding to (not you) specifically compared us to Northwestern. So I guess in this case, it's totally valid.
There are exactly nine women's lacrosse programs located west of the Mississippi River. It remains a niche sport, clustered primarily among small, private schools located in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Southeastern United States.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 21, 2020 13:19:34 GMT -8
The top expectation is: At least NIT every year Exactly one team in the Pac-12 has met our "realistic" expectations in each of the last six years. Oregon. That's the list. Unfortunately the poll doesn't exactly give a lot of room for in between answers. A "winning" record every year could be 16-15 with 11 wins in non-conference play and a 5-13 conference record and a loss in the first round of the Pac-12 tournament. I don't think anyone considers that a successful season. I just chose NIT every year cause it was the closest to matching my description of what I think the basketball team should be accomplishing and is the first option that mentioned any kind of post-season play beyond the Pac-12 tournament. If a winning record means competing for or being in the NCAAs 1-2 times every 5 years and the NIT in the others, with maybe one down year mixed in I'm OK with that. Just a winning record seemed too low of a bar to me.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2020 13:20:47 GMT -8
Football? We all live in this glass house. Quit throwing stones!
Actually, we don't. When we've gone to bowl games, we generally win. 6-2 under Riley, 7-4 since 1999, with a major bowl-game win. Northwestern has one of the WORST bowl-game records in FBS history, 4-10 over a corresponding period, with a nine-game bowl losing streak from 1995-2011. I believe that you missed the point, which is that Oregon State is the fifth-losingest team over the past six years. Northwestern is an upper-half football team in the same time period. Oregon State has a Hawai'i Bowl win in 2013. Current high school recruits were sixth graders at the time. Oregon State narrowly lost the Alamo Bowl in 2012. Northwestern finished 10-3 and won the Gator Bowl that same season. Oregon State were destroyed in the Las Vegas Bowl in 2009. Northwestern lost to Auburn (the Tigers would win the National Championship the following season) in overtime in the Outback Bowl that same season. Oregon State won the Sun Bowl in 2008 in what is generally regarded as the worst bowl game in the past half century. Northwestern lost the Alamo Bowl to a ranked Missouri team in overtime. Current high school recruits were first graders at the time. I am doubting that any high school recruit would remember any earlier Oregon State bowl victory, unless he or a close male relative was already a big Oregon State or Pac-12 fan at the time. Oregon State has a storied football history (1999-2013). But most of that is beyond the memory of most recruits at this point.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 21, 2020 13:31:14 GMT -8
Again, roughly half the Pac-12 doesn't have winning records every year in the past five or six seasons. Cal, Stanford, Wazzu, UW, OSU, ASU, USC, UCLA, all at or below .500 one or more years.
And I'll reiterate that OSU had like four non-losing seasons in the twenty five seasons prior to Tinkle's arrival.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 23, 2020 7:55:28 GMT -8
This may not be the best place to ask this, but I think it loosely relates to Tinkle's inability to put people in the seats. One thing I've never seen (though I might be looking in the wrong place and if I'm would someone let me know) is any type of locker room celebration video after a big win. Illinois social media does a great job of this. Yes, it is a little thing but it is fun and engaging to see these kids and coaches celebrate after a big win. For example, Illinois beat Purdue on the road on Tuesday (first win in Mackey in long time), and the Illini basketball twitter has a little 11 second video of Coach Underwood entering the locker room, pumping his fists and yelling Yeah. They've also posted similar videos of the team celebrating after their Wisconsin road win, and in football you saw them too. With both of those programs rebuilding at Illinois, I find seeing those types of things very fun. I never see anything like this for Beaver basketball or football. Am I just missing them or do they not do this. Seems like after the big Colorado b-ball comeback there had to be some celebrating in the locker room. Seeing a quick video of that can be fun for the fans to see as well as potential recruits. Same thing in football. After Coach Smith's first year, I have to believe there was some celebrating going on after some of the wins this year. With a rebuilding team, showing these simple snippets of success and job can serve to get fans even more excited. Again, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place for such videos or maybe the athletic department or programs want to maintain a "been here, done that before" stance. And I'm not talking video with production value here. They look like they were shot using handheld digital recorder or possibly even a phone. Maybe it is just me, but I get excited with the Beavs get a big win and its fun to see the team and coaches get excited too.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 23, 2020 8:37:20 GMT -8
This may not be the best place to ask this, but I think it loosely relates to Tinkle's inability to put people in the seats. One thing I've never seen (though I might be looking in the wrong place and if I'm would someone let me know) is any type of locker room celebration video after a big win. Illinois social media does a great job of this. Yes, it is a little thing but it is fun and engaging to see these kids and coaches celebrate after a big win. For example, Illinois beat Purdue on the road on Tuesday (first win in Mackey in long time), and the Illini basketball twitter has a little 11 second video of Coach Underwood entering the locker room, pumping his fists and yelling Yeah. They've also posted similar videos of the team celebrating after their Wisconsin road win, and in football you saw them too. With both of those programs rebuilding at Illinois, I find seeing those types of things very fun. I never see anything like this for Beaver basketball or football. Am I just missing them or do they not do this. Seems like after the big Colorado b-ball comeback there had to be some celebrating in the locker room. Seeing a quick video of that can be fun for the fans to see as well as potential recruits. Same thing in football. After Coach Smith's first year, I have to believe there was some celebrating going on after some of the wins this year. With a rebuilding team, showing these simple snippets of success and job can serve to get fans even more excited. Again, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place for such videos or maybe the athletic department or programs want to maintain a "been here, done that before" stance. And I'm not talking video with production value here. They look like they were shot using handheld digital recorder or possibly even a phone. Maybe it is just me, but I get excited with the Beavs get a big win and its fun to see the team and coaches get excited too. Football has shown post game locker-room celebrations on Twitter. I haven't seen one from Basketball.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 23, 2020 8:39:33 GMT -8
This may not be the best place to ask this, but I think it loosely relates to Tinkle's inability to put people in the seats. One thing I've never seen (though I might be looking in the wrong place and if I'm would someone let me know) is any type of locker room celebration video after a big win. Illinois social media does a great job of this. Yes, it is a little thing but it is fun and engaging to see these kids and coaches celebrate after a big win. For example, Illinois beat Purdue on the road on Tuesday (first win in Mackey in long time), and the Illini basketball twitter has a little 11 second video of Coach Underwood entering the locker room, pumping his fists and yelling Yeah. They've also posted similar videos of the team celebrating after their Wisconsin road win, and in football you saw them too. With both of those programs rebuilding at Illinois, I find seeing those types of things very fun. I never see anything like this for Beaver basketball or football. Am I just missing them or do they not do this. Seems like after the big Colorado b-ball comeback there had to be some celebrating in the locker room. Seeing a quick video of that can be fun for the fans to see as well as potential recruits. Same thing in football. After Coach Smith's first year, I have to believe there was some celebrating going on after some of the wins this year. With a rebuilding team, showing these simple snippets of success and job can serve to get fans even more excited. Again, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place for such videos or maybe the athletic department or programs want to maintain a "been here, done that before" stance. And I'm not talking video with production value here. They look like they were shot using handheld digital recorder or possibly even a phone. Maybe it is just me, but I get excited with the Beavs get a big win and its fun to see the team and coaches get excited too. Football has shown post game locker-room celebrations on Twitter. I haven't seen one from Basketball. When I was typing the post I started to think I might have seen one for football, but wasn't sure. Thanks.
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Post by pabeaver on Jan 23, 2020 11:06:55 GMT -8
Football has shown post game locker-room celebrations on Twitter. I haven't seen one from Basketball. When I was typing the post I started to think I might have seen one for football, but wasn't sure. Thanks. I’ve seen a few of Coach Smith and the football team this past year on the PAC-12 network. I don’t recall any for basketball. I might have to do some searching ...
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 23, 2020 12:05:55 GMT -8
When I was typing the post I started to think I might have seen one for football, but wasn't sure. Thanks. I’ve seen a few of Coach Smith and the football team this past year on the PAC-12 network. I don’t recall any for basketball. I might have to do some searching ... Yeah, I'm not talking about on the network though -- was thinking more about Twitter. I think I saw that Oregon St. basketball Twitter account has 29,000 followers. Assuming after that Colorado comeback win there was some celebrating going on in that locker room (I sure hope there was), just seems like a missed opportunity not to further excite fans and potential recruits and reaching them directly by throwing up a 15-25 second video of that celebration. In Illinois' case, I find it fun to see Lovie and Brad Underwood getting excited with their kids -- especially because both are relatively stoic when on the field/court. Nice to see that side of them and to see the love the kids have for them and vice versa. Again, not a big thing but I was just wondering why Oregon St. doesn't do more of that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 23, 2020 12:21:58 GMT -8
Could be me or a real thing?! But, without a backtrack to check the WBB and MBB programs are very different in their promotions.
WBB has a staff that is far more involved in social media. Posting team events, outings, etc. Sometimes maybe overkill?!
The MBB program is far less so except from the school itself. I'm not on any social media and depend on what's sent to me or posted here. So it could be it is not paid as much attention?
I'll also go as far as saying even OSU/AD seems to promote getting butts in the seat for WBB. Far less deals, special events, and packages it seems. MBB did have some season tic special, and some other minor things. Just didn't seem as prevalent as WBB.
Almost like the AD wants full price tix for MBB or nothing. Versus getting 6k+ in Gill.
At this point WBB might outdraw MBB?!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 23, 2020 12:42:51 GMT -8
Could be me or a real thing?! But, without a backtrack to check the WBB and MBB programs are very different in their promotions. WBB has a staff that is far more involved in social media. Posting team events, outings, etc. Sometimes maybe overkill?! The MBB program is far less so except from the school itself. I'm not on any social media and depend on what's sent to me or posted here. So it could be it is not paid as much attention? I'll also go as far as saying even OSU/AD seems to promote getting butts in the seat for WBB. Far less deals, special events, and packages it seems. MBB did have some season tic special, and some other minor things. Just didn't seem as prevalent as WBB. Almost like the AD wants full price tix for MBB or nothing. Versus getting 6k+ in Gill. At this point WBB might outdraw MBB?! I noticed Rueck (or someone (wo)manning his Twitter account) posts fairly regularly. Tinkle hasn't posted since Dec. 2018. Full disclosure: while I have a Twitter account, I haven't been on it since I signed up for it probably 8-10 years ago. Most of what I see in relation to OSU and Illinois is from postings on this and the Illinois board I frequent. Though I have started checking on Beavrecruiting on Twitter within the past 2 or 3 months because often can't find much on recruiting.
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 23, 2020 14:50:31 GMT -8
At this point WBB might outdraw MBB?! WBB is outdrawing MBB for the 2nd consecutive season. Here's the delta for MBB-WBB per game attendance:
2015-16, 1900 2016-17, 640 2017-18, 81 2018-19, -277 2019-20, -1438 (prelim)
MBB outdrew WBB by 1900 per game 5 seasons ago and MBB attendance has fallen in relation to WBB attendance since that time.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2020 14:56:07 GMT -8
At this point WBB might outdraw MBB?! WBB is outdrawing MBB for the 2nd consecutive season. Here's the delta for MBB-WBB per game attendance:
2015-16, 1900 2016-17, 640 2017-18, 81 2018-19, -277 2019-20, -1438 (prelim)
MBB outdrew WBB by 1900 per game 5 seasons ago and MBB attendance has fallen in relation to WBB attendance since that time. That can happen a few different ways. What are women's basketball attendance numbers in relationship to 5 years ago.
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Post by babeav on Jan 23, 2020 15:34:25 GMT -8
MBB would draw better if it weren’t for these 8 PM weekday starts.....killer for those of us in PDX. For those still working a midnight get home isn’t very appealing.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 23, 2020 16:31:12 GMT -8
At this point WBB might outdraw MBB?! WBB is outdrawing MBB for the 2nd consecutive season. Here's the delta for MBB-WBB per game attendance:
2015-16, 1900 2016-17, 640 2017-18, 81 2018-19, -277 2019-20, -1438 (prelim)
MBB outdrew WBB by 1900 per game 5 seasons ago and MBB attendance has fallen in relation to WBB attendance since that time. As with football, they need to take the hint and lower prices to get people back in the stands for the Men's games.
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