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Post by ostate on Jan 19, 2020 10:43:56 GMT -8
Given the fact that the most successful programs have been, and are currently paying for the best high school basketball players - what is your expectation for the Beaver Men's basketball team every year?
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Post by bennysdentist on Jan 19, 2020 11:09:35 GMT -8
Start paying
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 19, 2020 11:14:20 GMT -8
I’ll fess up to voting winning record every year, but if there was an option for competing for at least an NIT berth every year I would have picked it. There were 16 win teams in the NIT last year picked over the Beavs, can’t blame the coaches or team for that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 19, 2020 12:02:04 GMT -8
Winning record means squat if it is 10-2 or better vs an SOS in the 300s. That'd mean 6-12 in Pac12 play leaves a winning record!
Winning Pac12 record... 10-8 or better is what counts.
Then at least .500 in the Pac12 tourney.
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 19, 2020 12:27:38 GMT -8
A team that is well coached and capable of the NIT or NCAA tournament most years. Do what you have to do to compete in recruiting...make necessary staff changes year to year to improve...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2020 14:13:55 GMT -8
Winning record means squat if it is 10-2 or better vs an SOS in the 300s. That'd mean 6-12 in Pac12 play leaves a winning record! Winning Pac12 record... 10-8 or better is what counts. Then at least .500 in the Pac12 tourney. I agree that a winning conference record is what counts, but I would disagree that a winning conference record year-in and year-out for Oregon State is "realistic." I think that a winning overall record four out of five is reasonable. You should post an NIT-quality team about three years out of five and get to the dance at least once every five. Given the choices, you have to choose that you are just happy that Oregon State has a team. Otherwise, I question your ability to think realistically, given the current level of AD-, booster-, and fan-support. Watching the Washington State game, the Cougars have not had recent success but can draw on success from 5-15 years ago. Oregon State does not even that to fall back on. If you want success, you have to fall back to the early 90s. That is beyond the memory of any recruit and it strains the memory of most recruits' parents' memories. Given the lack of recent success and the support by the school and the fans, I still believe that Tinkle has done well. He is not the best coach in the world, but the best coach in the world laughs at an AD from Oregon State, when the Beavers show interest.
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Post by beaversrock on Jan 19, 2020 14:27:36 GMT -8
The problem is Tinkle is probably the 12th best coach in league. A very poor recruiter and has the same non successful staff he had when he got here. And Barnes gives a 2.1 million extension for a below 500 record playing the worst SOS of power 5 schools. Something has to change.
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Post by billsaab on Jan 19, 2020 15:02:02 GMT -8
Appears we have low expectations. Why not invest in program.? I think mediocrity which we have been since the Early 90’s would be long enough. We talk about the past a lot,but we seem mired in it. Tinkle is not the answer.All the Coaches Son’s are not as well. Who will transfer out due to lack of playing time? I am thinking it may happen on Women’s team as well.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2020 15:07:14 GMT -8
The problem is Tinkle is probably the 12th best coach in league. A very poor recruiter and has the same non successful staff he had when he got here. And Barnes gives a 2.1 million extension for a below 500 record playing the worst SOS of power 5 schools. Something has to change. Washington State has played a softer schedule and has a worse record against it. Notre Dame has played a softer schedule and has a worse record against it. Tinkle is better than Bobby Hurley. If you switch the pair, Tinkle is coaching in the Tourney, and Hurley is 0-18. Three of the coaches are brand new. If you know that you have seen enough to rank any of the three ahead of Tinkle in recruiting without any of the three participating in a full year of recruiting, my hat's off to you, sir. I would humbly posit that you are 100% wrong and that my head is cold. I think that you could credibly argue that Tinkle is in the bottom half. I would disagree, and say that he has bottom half support. But at least you wouldn't be uninformedly talking out of your a$$. And because I hate negative posts like the one above, here is a picture of some rocks with words on them:
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2020 15:24:43 GMT -8
Appears we have low expectations. Why not invest in program.? I think mediocrity which we have been since the Early 90’s would be long enough. We talk about the past a lot,but we seem mired in it. Tinkle is not the answer.All the Coaches Son’s are not as well. Who will transfer out due to lack of playing time? I am thinking it may happen on Women’s team as well. The basketball team needs more support to be consistently better than they have under Tinkle. I have no idea, if Tinkle is the answer with more support, but most would do worse than Tinkle with the current level of support. If the boosters want more out of the team, they have to give more. Until then, unless we get another legacy recruit, what you are seeing is about as good as it gets.
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Post by BeaverTailChaser on Jan 19, 2020 15:47:24 GMT -8
I would like to see the program goal/accomplishment to be, within any four year period, at least 1 NCAA bid and 1 or 2 NIT bid(s). This is doable!
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Post by irimi on Jan 19, 2020 16:05:09 GMT -8
Thread title: Realistic Expectations Poll title: Expectations
Expectation should be to win the Pac 12 every year. If the coach or the team is aiming lower than that, then we have a problem.
Realistic Expectations should be to finish the season with a winning record in the Pac 12. If we are not finishing in the top of the league, then we’re losing ground.
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Post by irimi on Jan 19, 2020 16:06:05 GMT -8
Hey, I could vote this time! Woo hoo!
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 19, 2020 16:28:48 GMT -8
I got no expectations. For a long time. Look past the coaches' kids.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 19, 2020 16:38:56 GMT -8
I got no expectations. For a long time. Look past the coaches' kids. Well, there’s two non coaches kids in the NBA right now.
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