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Post by 411500 on Jan 11, 2020 8:49:12 GMT -8
Haven't seen this discussed....Hard to believe a player can receive an in-bounds pass, take a dribble, bring the ball up into full extension and release in less than 1.4 seconds......Yes, Destiny blocked the shot so it's a moot point......Still, it's hard for me to believe she truly could have beat the buzzer on that release....
Receive pass, take dribble, gather, elevate, release. In 1.4 - seems unlikely. Any ideas?
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 11, 2020 8:53:37 GMT -8
Haven't seen this discussed....Hard to believe a player can receive an in-bounds pass, take a dribble, bring the ball up into full extension and release in less than 1.4 seconds......Yes, Destiny blocked the shot so it's a moot point......Still, it's hard for me to believe she truly could have beat the buzzer on that release.... Receive pass, take dribble, gather, elevate, release. In 1.4 - seems unlikely. Any ideas? GO BEAVS !! Home cooking at the timing table.... The Beavs overcame a lot to pull out that win. Good teams do that. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 11, 2020 9:11:40 GMT -8
Also is there any doubt that were exact same situation to happen, but against the ucks with Ionescu shooting, that she would have collapsed into a pitiful heap trying to draw the foul?
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Post by shelby on Jan 11, 2020 9:33:18 GMT -8
Yeah - Sabrina is all about camera time and angles.
Mik is all about hitting a big, big shot and then hustling back on defense , so she can grab another rebound !
Also, scoring question, several times last night - Mik created an extra possession by tipping the ball out to another teammate.
She, of course, never takes possession, however without her tip outs , the ball would have gone over to the Wildcats.
Does Mik get a rebound in these situations ?
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 11, 2020 9:48:08 GMT -8
Haven't seen this discussed....Hard to believe a player can receive an in-bounds pass, take a dribble, bring the ball up into full extension and release in less than 1.4 seconds......Yes, Destiny blocked the shot so it's a moot point......Still, it's hard for me to believe she truly could have beat the buzzer on that release.... Receive pass, take dribble, gather, elevate, release. In 1.4 - seems unlikely. Any ideas? GO BEAVS !! Truly home cooking. As I mentioned elsewhere, as 1.4 seconds appeared on the clock, Mik's shot was still travelling thru the bottom portion of the cords. It was at least 0.5 to 1 full second AFTER the ball cleared the net that the referee (at the very bottom of the screen on the replay) blew a whistle and raised his arm for the timeout. Clock should have been at 0.9 (at most) as AZ inbounded ball. Which would have meant 'catch and (desperation) release' instead of the well-composed shot that AZ got. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 11, 2020 9:58:27 GMT -8
When you are replaying such situations, the clock stops the instant the ball clears the net, not when the ref whistles to stop play. And the clock stops after every basket in the final minute. They got it right.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 11, 2020 11:08:00 GMT -8
Haven't seen this discussed....Hard to believe a player can receive an in-bounds pass, take a dribble, bring the ball up into full extension and release in less than 1.4 seconds......Yes, Destiny blocked the shot so it's a moot point......Still, it's hard for me to believe she truly could have beat the buzzer on that release.... Receive pass, take dribble, gather, elevate, release. In 1.4 - seems unlikely. Any ideas? GO BEAVS !! There was a difference of about .2 seconds before the clock started. I watched it in slow-motion. Also keep in mind, the clock graphic on the TV screen is not the official clock. I know the NBA had a procedure (and they probably still do) that, in a catch and shoot situation, there must be a minimum of 0.3 seconds on the clock in order to get a shot off. I always interpreted that to mean that they felt it would take a minimum of 0.2 seconds for the clock to actually start after the ball touched the shooter's hands. I'm sure they tested that, and it sounds reasonable to me. So that also means that, in real time, the shooter is going to have 1.6 seconds to get off a shot, not 1.4 - the 0.2 it's going to take the timer to start the clock plus the 1.4 on the clock. Yeah, I think a person can catch, dribble, and shoot in that time. I didn't see any egregious home cooking in that sequence. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 11, 2020 16:31:53 GMT -8
I was holding my breath on Destiny going out to block that shot. Any contact even a brush as the ball is in the air and could be free throws. I might have just let McDonald bomb away because she was closer the the half court stripe than the 3 point line...(might have)
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 11, 2020 16:38:54 GMT -8
Machine designers figure that human reaction times to events that you know are going to happen but the timing of which can't be anticipated are on the order of 0.1 sec. The precision of the clock is only to 0.1 sec, so add that uncertainty as well. A 0.2 second delay is thus within normal bounds.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 11, 2020 17:03:31 GMT -8
There was a difference of about .2 seconds before the clock started. I watched it in slow-motion. Also keep in mind, the clock graphic on the TV screen is not the official clock. I know the NBA had a procedure (and they probably still do) that, in a catch and shoot situation, there must be a minimum of 0.3 seconds on the clock in order to get a shot off. I always interpreted that to mean that they felt it would take a minimum of 0.2 seconds for the clock to actually start after the ball touched the shooter's hands. I'm sure they tested that, and it sounds reasonable to me. So that also means that, in real time, the shooter is going to have 1.6 seconds to get off a shot, not 1.4 - the 0.2 it's going to take the timer to start the clock plus the 1.4 on the clock. Yeah, I think a person can catch, dribble, and shoot in that time. I didn't see any egregious home cooking in that sequence. thanks for that info! I was beginning to suspect the Clock Stop as basket scored scenario. So indeed they got it JUST RIGHT ! |
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Post by pitbeavs on Jan 11, 2020 18:12:53 GMT -8
Yeah - Sabrina is all about camera time and angles. Mik is all about hitting a big, big shot and then hustling back on defense , so she can grab another rebound ! Also, scoring question, several times last night - Mik created an extra possession by tipping the ball out to another teammate. She, of course, never takes possession, however without her tip outs , the ball would have gone over to the Wildcats. Does Mik get a rebound in these situations ? Geez, Louise, you're sounding like the pimply boy who got turned down for the Prom. Ionescu is a great athlete. Why must you denigrate her? It's as if -- to recognize any of the feats of a Beaver woman, you've got to take a dig at SI. Pivec did what she did. It was a great play. Few would have been able to pull it off. Like that. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 11, 2020 18:17:49 GMT -8
I was holding my breath on Destiny going out to block that shot. Any contact even a brush as the ball is in the air and could be free throws. I might have just let McDonald bomb away because she was closer the the half court stripe than the 3 point line...(might have) I was in the same boat - especially after the very stringent standards the refs applied to KB on the "moving screen" call just before that.......it felt like the refs were (at least on the basis of that call) really tightening up. In the Ron Callan interview afterwards, DS claimed she was just trying to obstruct Aari's view without fouling - plausible given DS claim to fame is *not* shot blocking. What I also appreciated was Aari did not try to induce a call by flopping all over the place after the shot. Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 11, 2020 19:14:49 GMT -8
I was holding my breath on Destiny going out to block that shot. Any contact even a brush as the ball is in the air and could be free throws. I might have just let McDonald bomb away because she was closer the the half court stripe than the 3 point line...(might have) I was in the same boat - especially after the very stringent standards the refs applied to KB on the "moving screen" call just before that.......it felt like the refs were (at least on the basis of that call) really tightening up. In the Ron Callan interview afterwards, DS claimed she was just trying to obstruct Aari's view without fouling - plausible given DS claim to fame is *not* shot blocking. What I also appreciated was Aari did not try to induce a call by flopping all over the place after the shot. Go Beavers! That call on KB has me puzzled about the rules. She didn't move at all. The announcers said KB stuck out here hip. She didn't do either as far as I could tell. However, she moved her leg before Aari arrived (turned it outward) and Aari caught her knee/thigh turning the corner around the screen. But KB didn't move her body at all when Aari was there. I though a screener could hold their position however the want, as long as it's set? Even sticking out a hip would be legal, if done prior to the defender arriving ... but I don't really know the rule specifics. But if the screener can hold a still position legally, the way I saw it was then no foul, even though Aari did get tripped up by KB's leg. We seem to get several moving screen calls against us every game, contributing to our TO totals plus our foul count typically on our bigs. It's something I'd really like to see get cleaned up, but seems still a pain point. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 11, 2020 19:37:28 GMT -8
I was in the same boat - especially after the very stringent standards the refs applied to KB on the "moving screen" call just before that.......it felt like the refs were (at least on the basis of that call) really tightening up. In the Ron Callan interview afterwards, DS claimed she was just trying to obstruct Aari's view without fouling - plausible given DS claim to fame is *not* shot blocking. What I also appreciated was Aari did not try to induce a call by flopping all over the place after the shot. Go Beavers! That call on KB has me puzzled about the rules. She didn't move at all. The announcers said KB stuck out here hip. She didn't do either as far as I could tell. However, she moved her leg before Aari arrived (turned it outward) and Aari caught her knee/thigh turning the corner around the screen. But KB didn't move her body at all when Aari was there. I though a screener could hold their position however the want, as long as it's set? Even sticking out a hip would be legal, if done prior to the defender arriving ... but I don't really know the rule specifics. But if the screener can hold a still position legally, the way I saw it was then no foul, even though Aari did get tripped up by KB's leg. We seem to get several moving screen calls against us every game, contributing to our TO totals plus our foul count typically on our bigs. It's something I'd really like to see get cleaned up, but seems still a pain point. She did not stick her hip out. I rewound and watched it in slow motion and she was absolutely stationary for a significant amount of time. Some of our moving screens are guards fault for not allowing the pick to be set. They move to quickly. Another time is when the guards go back and forth forcing the big to shift 180*, the third or fourth time is asking a lot. And then you have 2 true freshman still learning the speed of the college and now pac12. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 11, 2020 19:47:23 GMT -8
While Aari didn't flop on her last-second shot attempt, she sold a number of calls with flop-like action during the game.
Aleah got an offensive foul called against her at the end of half when she was protecting against a reach-in grab from Aari. The flop reaction on the screen from KB sold that screening foul. Destiny was ran over by Aari from behind on a break in the second half as both Destiny and Aari hit the ground with no foul called. Aari twice hit the ground driving near the baseline in the second half and fumbled the ball out of bounds. Thankfully no foul was called on either of those plays.
I believe that Aari's aggressiveness on defense and on offense is allowed more often than not at McKale Center. She plays at such a fast pace that a defender has to be very careful not to make contact with her when she drives. The Beavs as a team did a great job avoiding putting her on the free throw line last night. I believes she leads the PAC-12 in free throw attempts.
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